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#55303 - 01/30/16 06:23 PM Again... [Re: Marchimedes]
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Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
I figured out how the pyramids could have been built. I worked for a decade moving and installing things like safes, vault doors, safe deposit boxes...

for a company so cheap we didn't even have a fork lift. I got real good at moving heavy, often with only the tools the Ancient Egyptians had at hand. All I've done is take that experience and apply it to building pyramids. Most everything I'm trying to show you now I've done. A friggin lot of times. This is not theory.


I wonder how many of you really know what heavy is. I know very well what a ton sitting on the ground takes to pick up and move. I know what 5,000 lbs. feels like. My reord is a 12,000 ol. vault door. Me and another skinny dude, between the two of use we weighed 340 lbs., moved, raised, installed and leveled it.

I've watched 5,000 lb capacity pallet jacks get crushed. I've seen cement floors crack. Grade 8 hardware break. I've bent solid steel levers. I appreciate the discusion in this thread but I question ya'lls understanding on just how heavy this stuff is and what it takes to move it. There is no substitute to gettin your hands dirty, sure, it all looks good on paper but the only time I used paper was to engineer sumpin I built to deal with this heavy stuff. Also, this is dangerous bidness. There are all kinds of procedures to observe, number one is to always assume sumpin is gonna fail and if it does you have nuttin under the weight and it's also a pretty good idea having planned before hand where you are gonna run to or hide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying all this to no end but at times I just have to shake my head. We are still arguing about the wheel. There are axles and bearings to consider.

I also have my own take on beasts of burden...

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#55304 - 01/30/16 08:30 PM Re: Trouble with wheels. [Re: Bill]
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its awesome what can be drawn on a wall by a artist while
he is decorating a tomb.

1) the statue depicted has never been found even though
it is quite large.

2) even the artist shows that oxen and cattle were in use
at the time of the drawing.



find the above image in the below link and click on it to
get a larger view.

http://mdw-ntr.com/blog/articles/127-colossal-statue-of-djehuti-hotep

notice the cattle and oxen ( with yokes ) attached for pulling
at the left bottom of the image.

also the image depicts stones being transported by ships.

my thoughts , if they really did use man power only to move
the 2 ton stones ( possibly millions of them ) and they could
have used animal powered carts or sleds or wagons then they
were either actually a really stupid civilization or the
leaders of the time were much like our leaders are refusing
to use high tech in favor of low tech because of tax income.

even so the Abydos heavy lift helicopter pictured below
would have been the better choice for transporting the
stones and its cargo / lift bay would be perfect to carry
a rectangle 2 ton stone block.



however the helicopter has never been found either , nor the
yatch or the spaceship or hovercraft depicted by the artist
that made the carving.

http://www.booksfact.com/technology/ancient-technology/abydos-helicopter-in-egypt.html










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#55305 - 01/31/16 12:10 AM The good news and the bad. [Re: Marchimedes]
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The good news is I have tomorrow off and have plenty of beer.

The bad news it that I haven't started in on the beer. Yet.

The good news is that I haven't started in on the beer. I tend to get to the point far quickerer.

The bad news is that when I gets to showing old stuff again I grow easily bored.

Folks, we are far from done with pyramids here. You've seen some, I've lost a lot of drawings over the years, moving truely heavy stuff, casing stones, methods of moving and stacking blocks, logistics, the labor force... more than I care to remember about right now. Here's a bit of what I have already drawn to come...



http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/22244-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on/?p=1059369744

Consider the possibility that with each of those drawings comes the aspect of a long winded explanation.

Yea, we far from done here.

And then remember that when I get done with pyramids we get right back to "why the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate from our perspective."

Then "Man Made Shooting Stars" and "How To Divert An Earth Killing Asteroid."

And then stuff I've forgotten about at the moment.

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Now, I could just go ahead and start posting images but I have a fairly solid rule of taking posts at the chronological time they appear. There be a few of those I've yet to get to. Sorry, a man's gots to have some procedures in place.

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It's about time to crack a brew.
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#55306 - 01/31/16 01:10 AM Permeability of stuff. [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
you wouldn't need an air feed as the ground itself that
surrounds the pyramid will feed air down to the surface of
the ground water,


I have a massive problem with that.

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and the vacuum is produced by removing
oxygen from the air as the fire burns.


The vacuum is produced by hot gasses rising.

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and since there is a water well at the bottom of the pyramid
then the vacuum ( caused by the fire ) would pull water up into the passageways.

the water would not lift with the heat rising from the fire
and its a good thing that I didn't say that it would.




http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/22244-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on/?p=1059369794

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That's one post. Imagine how long it took me to do that?
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#55307 - 01/31/16 01:52 AM Re: Permeability of stuff. [Re: Marchimedes]
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I have a massive problem with that.


if you have ever installed a septic tank you know that
a water permeability test must be done first to ensure
that the tank can drain the water from the tank to the ground.

its to check the depth of the water table ( ground water )

if the water table is too high then the septic tank cant
drain properly and you cant get a permit.

when it rains the water soaks into the ground , the water
creates tiny water channels in the ground that get larger and larger as it gets deeper below ground.

these water channels are the way that air is fed into
the ground as the water you draw from a water well lowers
the ground water level ( water table ).

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The vacuum is produced by hot gasses rising.


you have probably seen this little experiment , notice that
the water is lifting in the glass with a vacuum created
as the match burns the oxygen from the inside of the glass.

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#55308 - 01/31/16 02:19 AM And then we agree some... [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
I know that many archeologist would have them cutting
the solid stone using birds feathers as saws.


I've seen evidence of them using coppers saws with sand as the abrasive. I have a drwaing that I have to recraft showing such. Know that errant cut on the sargophogus? I have a theory why that is.

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I think the Egyptians that built the pyramids were really smart


Necessity is the mother of invention.

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I also don't think the Egyptians that resurfaced everything built the pyramids.


Lettuce see some evidence of this theroy, please.

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people just don't give the Egyptians enough credit where
credit is clearly due.


What? I don't qualify as people?

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Gentlemen, and I use that term loosely...

Again...

I call my theory of pyramid construction twiwdi (the way I would do it.) There is whole lot of stuff we have no evidence of the Egyptians having or using to effect. For sure there is zero evidence of animal intestines being used as a water level but then how long would animal intestines last if they weren't put into a sealed chamber of a Nobel gas or immersed in formaldihide? What I'm looking for here is any of the methods I come up with being impossible? I say I have this covered beginning to end. Yes, ya'll haven't seen it all, but how about so far? Seems to me we are working this through systematically. Seems to me we have the attention of this site. As this is a site of science what with the submission of plausible evidence we are gettin through this with the minimum level of BS. Lemme tell ya a story...

Remember this drawing... ?




That's a Walrus I chose as my beast of burden. I believe it was at a site titled "Above Top Secret." My thread title was "How to build a pyramid and the carnage that follows." One of my contentions was that the Egytians used Walrus as their beasts of burden cause Walrus work for fish and they were in the middle of a desert. I had people actually dismiss my theory cause I was using Walrus. It was bait. Give people a plausible theory, throw a bit of obvious nonsence in there and they focus on the nonsence. Human nature. Take a well thought out theory, throw in some humor and nonsence, take on all comers and next thing you know you have a half million view thread. I have this down to a science, I call it my formula. It has not failed me so I'm sticking to it but for some minor adaptations over the years. BTW, at "Above Top Secret" I announced I was gonna break their records. I got 5,000 views my first week. I obeyed the rules but was summarily banned for ever and ever, Amen. They had a vote as to who was the greatest poster. I won. But I was kicking teeth in and taking names. Apparently you can't have the new guy doing these things. I hope you people appreciate what a wonderful site you have going for you here. After all, ya'll put up with me.

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See how the beer is taking affect?

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So who is the next victim?

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#55309 - 01/31/16 03:42 AM Re: Trouble with wheels. [Re: paul]
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Paul, I showed a picture created by the ancient Egyptians that shows them moving a massive stone object on a wheelless sledge drawn by humans. You refuse to accept the evidence that that was a technique they used. But you argue for a technique for which there is no evidence. If you are so sure they did it with wheels and animals why don't you show us a picture that shows them using wheels and animals? Maybe because there aren't any?

I think that our viewers can now see that you really don't know what you are talking about, so I think that that is as far as I need to go on this thread.

Bill Gill
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#55310 - 01/31/16 05:34 AM I need a break. [Re: Orac]
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But I ain't taking one quite yet.

My fortitude is the thing of heroes.

Beer helps.

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
Ah. Why do I get the feeling that his former masters last names rhyme with words like "Astro" or "Spavez" or "Sputin?"


Originally Posted By: Orac
You would be correct my former masters were Russian, but I am not Russian a concept that sometimes seems to escape some especially in the USA.


Some? Lemme you in on a little secret there, Orac. Half of Americans shown a picture of the Vice-President can't tell you who that picture is but damn sure 90% of them can tell you which Kardashian has the fattest azz. I am, by any measurable test, in the top 1% of the top 1% of people world wide intelligence wise. That's just intelligence. Then comes memory, curiousness, adapability. To call me a genius would be an insult.

Here's where I stand on politics...



I'm The friggin Man.

This ain't no stinkin fluke, a one time thing. You should notice at that site I chose the name "teacher." I would have done the same here but that name was taken. My first name is Mark. So I threw a "M" at the front of Archimedes. "Lever long enough..." Get it? Thing is I'm wicked smart but look how hard I endevour to pass along my knowledge all the while trying to get some of the same outta the rest of ya.

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I just disagree totally with you and that makes me not your friend?


Nah, that just makes us advesaries at a debate site on a topic that I have a serious handle on.

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Do you know the fable of The Fox and the Crow?


Nope, hang on...

"A Fox once saw a Crow fly off with a piece of cheese in its beak and settle on a branch of a tree. "That's for me, as I am a Fox," said Master Reynard, and he walked up to the foot of the tree. "Good-day, Mistress Crow," he cried. "How well you are looking to-day: how glossy your feathers; how bright your eye. I feel sure your voice must surpass that of other birds, just as your figure does; let me hear but one song from you that I may greet you as the Queen of Birds." The Crow lifted up her head and began to caw her best, but the moment she opened her mouth the
piece of cheese fell to the ground, only to be snapped up by Master Fox. "That will do," said he. "That was all I wanted. In exchange for your cheese I will give you a piece of advice for the future.""

How does that Aesop's Fable apply to me?

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On the other side I am open to changing my opinion on things, something most on here are not.


I don't know about "most." Maybe "many."

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I am can also sometimes be wrong, as opposed to most on the forum who are never wrong.


I have a little theory about that. I get to type, I get to check what I type. I live in fear of what I typed being proven wrong. You will not often see me post "is." You'll see me often type "I've read" or "it's been reported" Have you ever seen me say "this is how the Egyptians built the pyramids?" You will only see me say that "the way I would do it" or "I think." I call it The Queen's English. If you catch me doing otherwise it's a typo or just a plain mistake. A favour, Orac, if I ever break the typo or mistake rule, call me on it. It's a Helluva thing, Orac, remaining undefeated, retaining dominance in a world of text. Again, I look to The Queen's English. Further more, when I find someone that knows more than I I follow them around asking questions till they tell me to go away.

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It was dangerous to be too insistent on being "right" in my upbringing.


I say that that is a dangerous thing in any society if one wants to be taken seriously on any topic. Again, why do you think I am so careful with my language?

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You might guess my education is what you call may call the "comrade school of learning"


A C.C.C.P. nation?

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and that they didn't paint a good picture of pharaohs. You can probably guess how Egyptian civilization is regarded by communists or socialists.


I'm, politically, a Libertarian. No, not the nut kind of libertarian, not the anarchist libertarian, not the "lettuce legalize heroin and cocaine" libertarian. There's a name for my kind of Libertarianism. It's called a consequential Libertarian, or a Neal Boortz Libertarian, or, what I call the "Perfect Libertarain." Socialy liberal, fiscally and national security wise conservative. A mantra is that if it does nuttin to bother someone alses life, liberty or property make no law about it. Leave me the f alone.

Yea, the Egyptians were top down total authoritarians.

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So maybe I am just brainwashed


I prefere the term "indocrinated."

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or maybe I just genuinely can't find a single thing to admire or like about this civilization.


They built some mighty structures will simple tools.

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We'll get to the Aramanth Rose II deal when I get to her post.

Nice chat, comrade. (Can you take that joke yet?)

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For sure English ain't your first language, but you are doing well. Sprechen sie Deutch?

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I gots to go get to my political site to make sure they are all behaving.
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#55311 - 01/31/16 07:41 AM I been looking forward to this one. [Re: Amaranth Rose II]
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This shall be a study of delicate recalcitrance.

Originally Posted By: Amaranth Rose II
Hi, Marchy, welcome back.


Why thank you, dear, how kind of you to say.

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Just stick to the topic


See, right there we have kind of a problem. I started with the universe, now we on pyramids. Pretty soon we gonna be on obelisks, then back to new stuff on the universe.

Here's my take, Ms. Rose II. This is a Marchimedes/teacher thread. I've a gazillion subjects to cover, some of them overlap, some of them don't, Rest assured, I shall always endvour to make a scientific theme that runs together. To space these themes out amoung different threads, that different forums is gonna confusify the reader let alone my own self. For intance, if I am going on and on and on about the universe and how it works, does not solar, galaxial, universal orbital mechanics all come into play together? Should I have to post hither and yon that they all obey the same physics?

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and don't stray into the outer realms of believability too far.


Please to find me one instance where I have went beyond believablility.

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No personal attacks,


Way I remember it Orac started in on me first, I finished it with extreame predjudice. In other words, I won going away. My only beef with you is that you yelled at me first when he swtarted it.

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keep it polite and respectful of your audience and you'll be fine. I may not agree with what you say


Is there some rule here that states that a moderator can't debate a member?

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but I will defend to the death your right to say it


Then we are kindred spirits.

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as long as you are not being offensive or crude deliberately.


To be honest with you, I'm working very hard about that at this site.

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Descend into the depths of personal remarks and you will incur my wrath which I'm sure you don't want to do.


Bah. I am admin at a interweb political debate forum where the members hate each other like poison and I'm in charge of keeping the peace. Worst you get is steady state or multidemnsional. Higgs or not to Higgs. I throw this at them...



Lady, you gots it easy.

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Hope you have a good time.


Find me a Swinging Richard that has more fun than I!

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Please be considerate.


All in all, I think I'm doing very well cents my last azz chewing. I am a Mighty US of A Army veteran. I can take an azz chewing without cracking a grin and stroll away skipping.

I am front and center, ma'am, message received, I am standing to.

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1/24/16 - 291/539,204

Seven days later, right now...

1/31/16 - 347/545,171

That's 6k in a week.

If I stay on this, the rate of increase shall increase.

That's bank. Numbers don't lie.

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Not so far now from new stuff. Then it's gonna start gettin interesting.
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#55312 - 01/31/16 02:37 PM Re: Trouble with wheels. [Re: Bill]
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OK...then lets be fair about it heres a drawing that
proves how the ancient Indians traveled amongst the galaxies.

its a drawing so its proof.
no solid evidence needed , just someone in the past with
an imagination and some water colors.




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Paul, I showed a picture created by the ancient Egyptians that shows them moving a massive stone object on a wheelless sledge drawn by humans.


the picture that you showed was a reconstruction of the actual
drawings inside the tomb ... what I showed was the WHOLE reconstructed image along with pictures of the actual wall
drawings.

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You refuse to accept the evidence that that was a technique they used.


a drawing on a wall is not evidence now is it.

evidence would be the statue that hasn't been found or
the sleds that were depicted and ropes they used.

anyone can draw anything on a wall , just like the helicopter
and the yatch and spaceship and hovercraft that I posted a actual picture of that is a actual carving on a actual Egyptian wall.

whats the difference between what I posted and what you posted?

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But you argue for a technique for which there is no evidence.


then where is the evidence that you haven't yet shown that
could be used as evidence.

or do you want me to believe that all ancient drawings are
of actual events and physical objects and can be used as
evidence , lets see how about folklore and ancients writings
can all of these also be used as evidence?

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If you are so sure they did it with wheels and animals why don't you show us a picture that shows them using wheels and animals? Maybe because there aren't any?


Im not so sure , not at all ... there is no evidence to be
sure about.

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I think that our viewers can now see that you really don't know what you are talking about, so I think that that is as far as I need to go on this thread.


Im not sure why you would say that , you certainly haven't presented any believable evidence that ropes were used.

if you have then I have presented evidence that they had
helicopters , yatchs , spaceships and hovercraft now haven't I?

broad statements that have absolutely no evidence to
support them seem to be a integral part of modern science.

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#55313 - 02/01/16 07:16 AM I built the pyramids [Re: Marchimedes]
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Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
How does that Aesop's Fable apply to me?

I can't imagine smile

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
Yea, the Egyptians were top down total authoritarians.

Yep and the guys at the tops were Gods and could do anything they wanted. They had massive brains and ego as well and strangely they remind me of someone.

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
They built some mighty structures will simple tools.

I can think of some equally impressive structures in USA, start with the US Capitol Building and White House. Not bad work for a group of Afro-American slaves with little education and probably getting regular floggings and sexual abuse. Really not bad workmanship, I think I would have been tempted to do a shoddy job and hoped it fell on the people inside.

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
Nice chat, comrade. (Can you take that joke yet?)

You are ex American Army so do you get this joke?

Nice chatting, American Imperialist Facist Oppressor (Can you take that joke yet?).

I left off the various war crime atrocities I could have used in the description in good taste.

You have fought against an enemy, I am surprised you thought it would be funny. Perhaps you were just a cook in the army.

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
For sure English ain't your first language, but you are doing well. Sprechen sie Deutch?

Ein Freund ging nach Amerika

Good luck with the Politics and Pyramids, Mach smile


Edited by Orac (02/01/16 07:52 AM)
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#55314 - 02/01/16 11:46 PM A drawing revision. [Re: Marchimedes]
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Remember, folks, this site seriously downsizes my drawings that why I'm posting drawings at my political site. I've asked and asked and asked for help with this dilema to no avail. The ammount of work I would have to do to break images up and post them here sos they would be readable is sumpin I care not to do. The links I'll be posting will take you to my thread at liberalforum.org, thread titled "...and the horse you rode in on. My links shall take you right to the drawings, you don't have to be bothered with my politics. I stongly suggest, especialy if you aren't a constitutional conservative, to NOT stray away from the linked drawings. Don't say I didn't warn you. I'd far rather be able to post large drawings here, but there ya go.

First off is a drawing revision about the propect of creating a vacuum with fire. I did my drawing, asked a bud, a good ol' boy with solid mechanical reasoning to give it a go over, he failed me not thus the revision. Also remember, when you see this image...



I'm lettin you know that the link takes you to a different site. Fair warning. Now would be one of those times...

http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/22244-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on/?p=1059370475

In this case scroll down two posts to see good ol' boys answer. It's rather ammusing. Good ol' boy is known as Chuck!, I call him lowrent.

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Now, we are gettin into the weeds a bit here in this thread. It would take a lot of time to address ropes, ships, wheels, bearings, axles, the casting of metal and on and on and on.

Not to mention helicopters and spaceships.

We gots all the time in the world to go over these ancillary things and you know me, we'll get to them all but I'm making an exuctive decision here to get to the meat. I shall do one more post before gettin to twiwdi to answer a recent post by Orac as I find it ammusing.

Remember, the recent topic in this thread is how I would have built the pryamids. Not saying this is how it was done, oh yea, and after Orac one more post that should alleviate some minds.
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#55315 - 02/02/16 12:20 AM Ladies, gentlemen and Orac... Orac. [Re: Orac]
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Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
How does that Aesop's Fable apply to me?


Originally Posted By: Orac
I can't imagine smile


Yea, you are coming along just fine.

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
Yea, the Egyptians were top down total authoritarians.


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Yep and the guys at the tops were Gods and could do anything they wanted. They had massive brains and ego as well and strangely they remind me of someone.




Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
They built some mighty structures will simple tools.


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I can think of some equally impressive structures in USA, start with the US Capitol Building and White House. Not bad work for a group of Afro-American slaves with little education and probably getting regular floggings and sexual abuse. Really not bad workmanship, I think I would have been tempted to do a shoddy job and hoped it fell on the people inside.


I see you throwing some politics in there. Sure you want to do that with me?

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
Nice chat, comrade. (Can you take that joke yet?)


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You are ex American Army so do you get this joke?

Nice chatting, American Imperialist Facist Oppressor (Can you take that joke yet?).


Do I appear to have a thin skin? Sure I can take it. However: If Americans were imperialists we would be ruling Kuwait and Iraq. Facism is where Mother government controls bidness.

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I left off the various war crime atrocities I could have used in the description in good taste.


If you really want to get into all that politics come join liberalforum.org and find the "...and the horse you rode in on" thread. Just be warned there are barely any rules and I have dominated for years.

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You have fought against an enemy, I am surprised you thought it would be funny.


Nah, I was peace time, 1981 - 1987. Uncle Sam had his chance to get me dead.

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Perhaps you were just a cook in the army.


Now that's funny. Go look up Army MOS requirements, go right to the top of the scale and there ya go.

Ni zhidao wode yisa ma?

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
For sure English ain't your first language, but you are doing well. Sprechen sie Deutch?


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Ein Freund ging nach Amerika


Gut genung.

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Good luck with the Politics and Pyramids, Mach smile


Thanks, but luck ain't gots Jack to do with it.
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#55316 - 02/02/16 01:15 AM Lions and tigers and wheels, oh my. [Re: Marchimedes]
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So we are pondering wheeels, axles, bearings, tracks, carts and what not to move blocks on. Take this drawing...



http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/22244-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on/?p=1059371509

Imagine instead of switchback stairs they are swichback ramps. rails, turntables, whatever. I imagined this over a decade ago.

A problem or two I have with this idea. There's always a direct downhill. Sumpin gets outta hand it's carnage below. There must always be a safety brake. I learned this moving heavy stuff for a living.

Remember my safety briefing long ago?

Oh yea, we have to load blocks onto carts and unload them. I can do this easy. Thing is, there's some 2.3 million of the average blocks that make up the pyramid. That's 4.6 extra million steps to take.

Ya'll so friggin smart, show us how to load then unload a block safely.

That's right, it's all fun and games until you have to think.

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Okay, I think we are here. Drawing time. I'm gonna need a short break, I should probably make an Iowa statement on my political site and there's always some malcontent to deal with, dontchya know Ms. Rose II?
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#55317 - 02/02/16 04:16 AM Here we go... [Re: Marchimedes]
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These are all the old pyramid construction images I found. All are over decade old. By my standards these days they are horrible, but they start to get the job done. I can now, in MSPaint, draw 3d to scale, but, like I said, I'm lazy. Please to forgive the atrocious Queen's English, the out of order, the convolutedness of it all. I did not scan and put stuff in order, I just blazed with it. Still, that is a frigggin ton of work, I dare you to say I did not put some work/thought into this. As always, I'm looking for peer review. You see a mistake? Come guns a blazing. There's holes in this, I'm missing a lot of hard work. So, this would be 26 drawings spread over 5 posts. I don't have quarrying stones, I don't have moving big stones, I don't have the very involved details of manipulating heavy, I don't have the fabricating and setting of casing stones, I don't have logistics, I don't have labor force, there's buku I don't have. To be honest with you, I haven't put much thought into this for a decade. I can't imagine how much I've forgot. Ever heard the old saying "I've forgotten more than you'll ever know?" Tell ya what I do have... start at this link and go till you run outta drawings...



http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/22244-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on/?p=1059371566

Bring the questions, bring the ideas, bring the insults. I take on all comers.

I understand I've some holes to fill in. No big deal. Remember, I moved safes for a friggin decade often with the same tools the ancient Egpytians had. I am the quintisential blue collar man. I can sand rust offa metal with the callouses on the palms on my hands.

I can't wait to get into the mindset of the workers.

Lemme say it again: I am the world's foremost authority on pyramid construction.

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Please to excuse me, Ms. Rose II, for any untoward language in my images. Just lazy, no disrespect intended.

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Now, who wants to raise an obelisk? No easy feat, that.
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#55318 - 02/02/16 07:21 AM I think we shall chat a while... [Re: Marchimedes]
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it needs doing. For this chat we shall go Pink Floyd Animals full album.

Let's ya'll know where my mind is at.

"And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw
around.
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
Dragged down by the stone."

So, a good start on constructing a pyramid.

Now we gonna raise one of these...



http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/22244-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on/?p=1059371686

They big, they tall, they ungainly, they just friggin work for me.

All this stuff I used to construct my pyramid? Gonna use all that to raise my obelisk, after all, said stuff is laying around, gots my workers who know well how to use all said stuff, what could be more efficient or simpler?

An aside: I've read/saw/watched most every Swinging Richard's idea as how to move and stack heavy. I've found most all of them wanting. Dogging all these so-called theories will take a long series of posts. I've taken a two ton safe from the parking lot and put it up on the sidewalk a thousand times. I wonder how many times a bespectacled, leather elbow patched, tweed jacket wearing, pipe smoking, papered Oxford proffesor has done that? Wally Walllington has some game. Julian Richards is a friggin joke. Bob Brier is clueless. Henri Houdin couldn't change a tire on a bicycle. It's a shame Zahi Hawass is such an arogent non-swarthy type hater as he has some good ideas, far as who the labor force was. I know of more fellows. The only one I would trust holding the end of a lever would be Wally. That's a lot of theories by a lot of papered men but hardly any of them can take one of these...



and have their way with it all by their damn self.

Any time anyone of you wants to give me someone elses ideas go right ahead. Dollars to dounts I can find a flaw.

Find a flaw with me yet? Again, I'm blue collar, everything I've said that can be done I've probably done it and not got flat. There is no BSing a decade of hands on experience.

Took me the entire Animals album to pen that. You can't say I ain't putting the time in.

Howz about Megadeth Countdown to Extinction Full Album to raise an obelisk?
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#55319 - 02/02/16 08:54 AM What? It's a Marchimedes thread. [Re: Marchimedes]
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It's so simple it's mind blowing. This one is gonna be seven(7) posts, 35 images...


[url=http://postimage.org/]

http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/22244-and-the-horse-you-rode-in-on/?p=1059371734

Lot of info, follow it to the end.

I'm gonna heat some food up and then come back for some thoughts/abuse.

Lemmme know if the links or such don't work, no big deal, I have it all submitted at the horse thread. It's gonna blow minds there. Too.
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#55320 - 02/02/16 09:11 AM Re: Lions and tigers and wheels, oh my. [Re: Marchimedes]
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Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
Ya'll so friggin smart, show us how to load then unload a block safely.

Safely??? ... Don't you just throw it off the cart trying to kill as few serfs or slaves as possible?

If you kill a few doing God's work then it's okay, it's a fairly common theme with religions. Thou shall not kill unless in Gods name, maybe it was the same with these clowns.

As you are the foremost authority on the pyramids the question is do we know if they cared if they killed a few in the building process. I mean do we have evidence that work overseers were charged with negligence or held responsible if someone died?

The great wall, is suggested by most authorities, to have cost 1 million people their lives. The various Emperor's were probably prepared to sacrifice 100 times that number.

To build the good old USA it cost what 750,000 in the civil war. Some people still think that it was worth the loss. The British had already shown you could outlaw slavery by peaceful means. So one is left to ask what the war was really about, and was it worth the lives it cost.

So do we know these Egyptian builders weren't just cannon fodder like so many others in history?


Edited by Orac (02/02/16 09:50 AM)
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#55321 - 02/02/16 09:50 AM The ends justifies the means. [Re: Orac]
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Originally Posted By: Orac
Ya'll so friggin smart, show us how to load then unload a block safely.


Ya'll is for many, you're is for one.

Haven't I shown enough of my knowledge tonight?

Did you follow the links?

Think I can't draw up unloading a block from a cart safely?

I can do that crap, alone, in my sleep. safely.

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Safely??? ... Don't you just throw it off the cart trying to kill as few serfs or slaves as possible?


Serfs and slaves? These men were knowlagable, experienced men. Not litely tossed aside. The difference between your world and mine, comrade.

I guess we get right back to politics. In my nation, I am valuble.

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If you kill a few doing God's work then it's okay,


We don't do that in my nation. Ivan.

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it's a fairly common theme with religions.


I'm a Christian. That would be a religion. In my so-called religion that is not a theme. We look out for each other. Just shows how ignorant you are.

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As you are the foremost authority on the pyramids the question is do we know if they cared if they killed a few in the building process.


No we don't. But that would be very cost uneffective. Smart leaders tend not to off those that save them cash and get the job done.

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I mean do we have evidence that work overseers were charged with negligence or held responsible if someone died?


Neither do we have evidence that they weren't held responcible. Don't play strawman with me, sport.

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The great wall is suggested by most authorities to have cost 1 million people their lives but what is that to the Emperor's they were probably prepared to sacrifice 100 times that number.


That is China, China is not Egypt, Egypt is not China, China, just look at today, China is not America.

Jintian, wode zhongwen zhen shi buhoa. Kushi, wo dong Zhonguoren gen wo dong Meiguoren. Wo xiang, ni die xiang.

You want to try to bust my chops on politics, I done told you this is not the place. I done told you where to try that weak.

You can take your stinkin colllective and wait in line for bread before you go home to your one light bulb apartment.

Somebody has to be the best, turns out I'm the best, What are the odds that you had to run into me?
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#55322 - 02/02/16 10:03 AM Re: The ends justifies the means. [Re: Marchimedes]
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Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
We don't do that in my nation. Ivan.

Really I know a few who have been on the back of drone strikes that may beg to differ. You know the saying one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Originally Posted By: Marchimedes
I'm a Christian. That would be a religion. In my so-called religion that is not a theme. We look out for each other. Just shows how ignorant you are.

I think the ones running around with a black flag fighting you claim the same thing. Hard for us ignorant atheists to know which of you religious guys to believe.

Tell you what slug it out and I will go with the winner being the right religion.

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No we don't. But that would be very cost uneffective. Smart leaders tend not to off those that save them cash and get the job done.

Doesn't cost much less than the cost of a good meal for a GOD probably.

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Neither do we have evidence that they weren't held responcible. Don't play strawman with me, sport.

So that would be like most of your construction evidence then? Now be consistent, if that is a strawman then so is your construction ideas.

Originally Posted By: Mach
That is China, China is not Egypt, Egypt is not China, China, just look at today, China is not America.

There is a difference? Sorry I don't see and I have lived in both countries, there are just some creature comfort differences for the most part.

Originally Posted By: Mach
You want to try to bust my chops on politics, I done told you this is not the place. I done told you where to try that weak.

Politics I care for about as much as religion, a process run by people of dubious morals and intelligence.

Originally Posted By: Mach
You can take your stinkin colllective and wait in line for bread before you go home to your one light bulb apartment.

Oh no they always feed and look after us scientists well .. they wants them little edges on the other guys.

I do equally well in good old USA, China, Russia or any other political system. I am currently in your country so if the lights go out for me they will be out for you slightly before that.

We have drifted a long way from the poor insignificant Egyptians, lets get back to them.


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