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#55496 - 02/16/16 09:58 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: newton]
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Originally Posted By: Marosz
WHAT IS BEETER sensor 1 or sensor 2 ?

Umm neither they are both fine in most cases.

What does better even mean? If you are above signal to noise for operation they are actually identical.

Lets make this practical your car radio doesn't care how close or far you are away from the radio station so long as it is within valid signal to noise ratio you will have reception.

The GPS system is the same so long as you meet signal/noise ratio the signal strength is irrelevant.

OMG then you went and posted more images .... WHY MAROSZ .. I can't even understand the first 4 lines. I don't need the images I need an explaination.

Ok I am done you are creating a wall of image spam that people will have to wade thru.

Rose apologies I tried to communicate feel free to delete it all, I thought I would get less spam not more.

We are done Marosz you won't listen and stop doing that wall of image spam ... Orac exiting this go back to being angry.


Edited by Orac (02/16/16 10:19 AM)
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#55506 - 02/16/16 06:00 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Bill S.]
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Just another 334 posts and Paul will be top poster


lets see , I joined the forum in 2006.
Bill s joined in 2010.
orac joined in 2011.

in 10 years I have made 3806 post
in 6 years Bill s has made 3406 post
in 5 years orac has made 2643 post

you guys are really catching up quickly.

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perhaps he will not need to blanket threads with posts then, and will be able to return to a less frenetic style of posting.


I don't seek the top poster status on SAGG , until today
I didn't even know there was one.

according to the numbers above Bill S will overtake me
long before I reach the 4136 post mark because orac is
suckin the hind tit at 2643 post just ahead of
Revking at 2304 post.

congrats in advance Bill S.
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#55507 - 02/16/16 06:58 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Orac]
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Paul lets just say yes you are wrong


But I'm not wrong.

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Gravitational waves cause space itself to stretch in one direction and get squeezed in a perpendicular direction. In the wake of a gravitational wave, one arm of an interferometer lengthens while the other shrinks, then vice versa. The arms will change lengths in this way for as long as it takes the wave to pass.


the above description of course talks about space stretching and squeezing which isn't possible and in actuality it is
nothing more than the laser beam itself bending towards
and away from a source of gravity intensity causing the
beam itself to be longer due to its curvature and then
shorter when it returns to its normal state resulting in a difference of the travel time of the light beam from the
laser to the detection equipment.

space doesn't stretch or squeeze those ideas were formed to
pacify some previous illusion.

stacking a lie on top of a lie does not hide the first lie.


https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/LA/page/what-is-interferometer

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As the length of each arm varies, the distance traveled by each laser beam also varies (farther in the longer arm, not as far in the shorter arm).


the reason why there is less distance traveled in the shorter
arm is because there is less exposure time to the gravity
fluctuations which does not allow the beam to be pulled
away as far from its normal state thus causing a curvature less than the curvature in the longer arm.

I certainly hope they are not wanting us to believe that the
arm itself (the 2.5 mile long tunnel ) is getting longer
because of the gravity fluctuations from some event over a
billion light years away... laugh

once again you are wrong orac , why don't you just give
up trying to impress others and try to gain some measure
of intellect.

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#55508 - 02/16/16 07:46 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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I HAVE VERY STRONG EVIDENCE !!!

EACH ATOM ON EARTH and (INSIDE OUR BODIES too ) feel INTENSITY
PROBLEM !!!

below picture made very precission microscope



DO YOU SEE CIRCLE OR ELLIPSE ?
( hydrogen atom )




WE SCHOULD IFORM PEOPLE IN LAB WHERE THEY MAKE OBSERVATIONS
THEY SCHOULD TRY MAKE MICHELSON MORLEY test but for ATOM

INTENSITY PROBLEM MAROSZ version









Problem is very very old and very very simple but VERY VERY NEW

2011 Grover Swartzlander first began to examine a revolutionary concept in optical physics after studying the flight of a moth. He watched the animal use its wings to create lift, which led to flight. Swartzlander asked : Could light be used to create the same effect?

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/PabPQbCnJz4[/video]



mV = mV dynamica = strong evidence !!!!


We also need explain other OLD PROBLEM
DOUBLE SLITS

I not see magic in this experiemt It is classica
How electron is changing motion ( EM wave is pushing electron during motion )

What we see EM radiation or electron ?

PLEASE USE INTENSITY PROBLEM TO EVALUATE p = MV
and everything in physics will be cleare very cleare




1 EM wave is hiting electron
2 EM wave is backing
3 EM wave is faster than electron



mV = mV ?
Yes NEWTON's idea is very very close to true



I working also on other model ( I need LAB to test all )
I need measure INTENSITY how big intensity I see on screen
( where master signal hit electron ? where is electron ? where is screen ? )

DUALISM not EXIST
few people is trying to develop MATH not physics and observations !!!

we have the same problem with interferometer !





Edited by newton (02/16/16 07:53 PM)

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#55509 - 02/16/16 07:56 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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IN POLAND TWO YOUNG PEOPLE STARTED PUBLIC BOOKS

"SPECIAL AETHER THEORY "

http://www.ste.com.pl/

I SPOKE WITH ONE AUTHOR
THEY BOTH TALKING THE SAME WHAT I
they not making observations
they LIKE ONLY MATH !

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#55510 - 02/16/16 08:00 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
newton Offline
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WE NEED ONLY SHORT TIME 5-10 years people will not like speak about EINSTEIN !!


many years ago CAR's speed 20 km/h

nobody ask about dynamica ( airplane ? Impossible )


50 years later car 100 km/h
Airplne yes we see huge aerodynamic force for Wing



2012 Marosz
8 km/s and we can feel very strong DYNAMIC EM PREASURE
PROBLEM


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#55511 - 02/16/16 08:06 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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8 km /s why this speed is important ?

Hydrogen electron 2,18 *10^6 m/s !!!




HOW HEAVY IS MASS m ? m=m but force ???

please study example 1 and 2 ? mass m is slawing down respect to sun
or mass m is faster




SYMETRY IN PHYSICS ??

m=m but Q ????




WE CAN MEASURE DOPPLER EVEN IF EXIST ONLY TWO BODIES IN UNIVERSE !




in universe Exist N objects !
rocket = object N rocket never will escape from universe !




Edited by newton (02/16/16 08:08 PM)

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#55512 - 02/16/16 08:09 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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ELECTRONS ARE REGISTERING FORCE ( V^V !! square !!!)





Edited by newton (02/16/16 08:10 PM)

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#55513 - 02/16/16 08:13 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
newton Offline
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DURING BELOW SITUATION PERSON IS ABLE PUSH
ENERGY ( EM radiation ) OPPOSITE TO HIS MOTION !!!




^
^ DYNAMIC EM PREASURE
^
Person
V
V Q
V


1861 J. C. Maxwell, published his theory of electromagnetic fields and radiation, which shows that light has momentum and thus can exert pressure on objects.
1901 P. N. Lebedev EXPERIMENTAL EXAMINATION OF LIGHT PRESSURE
2011 Grover Swartzlander first began to examine a revolutionary concept in optical physics after studying the flight of a moth. He watched the animal use its wings to create lift, which led to flight. Swartzlander asked : Could light be used to create the same effect?




IN UNIVERSE EXIST MANY STARS !!!
0,001 mm sheet has got near 100 m^2 area



JOUL / CUBIC METER =
= NEWTON * METER / CUBIC METER = N/m^2 = PASCAL





Edited by newton (02/16/16 08:15 PM)

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#55518 - 02/17/16 12:18 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: paul]
Bill S. Offline
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Quote:

according to the numbers above Bill S will overtake me
long before I reach the 4136


Posts in the last 30 days.
Paul: 77
Bill S: 33

Perhaps it takes a mathematician to see that as overtaking.
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#55520 - 02/17/16 03:04 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Bill S.]
paul Offline
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LOL .. that's because its winter.

probably the same reason orac is posting so much more than
me because its much colder in Chicago.
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#55534 - 02/20/16 04:25 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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Is it possible that talk of gravitational waves stretching or contracting spacetime confuses the picture, at least from the “hitch-hiker’s” point of view?

Perhaps we should ask ourselves a few questions, and try answering them. Different people might generate different answers, but here are mine.

Does gravity exist?.... Yes.
Does gravity have a physical influence?.... Yes.
Is gravity a field?.... Yes.
Is it possible to perturb a field?.... Yes.
Is it likely that perturbations of a field would manifest as waves?.... Yes.
Given the above, is it reasonable to assume that gravitational waves might exist?.... Yes.

Is that an oversimplification?....Yes, but it works for me.
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#55539 - 02/21/16 05:00 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Bill S.]
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the hardest thing to believe was when the article I read
said that the arm became longer...

it would have been much more believable if they would have
been truthful about it and said that the laser beam bent
slightly due to the increased gravity intensity.

but of course that wouldn't have been so sensational now
would it.

the amount of gravity intensity change was extremely low
and certainly would have barely moved the beam itself
let along lengthening the entire 2.5 mile long arm

my first impression was that this claim must have been
a prop up job for Einstein and his ever continuing magic show
portrayed by his cast of followers , not actual scientist.

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Does gravity exist?.... Yes.
Does gravity have a physical influence?.... Yes.
Is gravity a field?.... Yes.
Is it possible to perturb a field?.... Yes.
Is it likely that perturbations of a field would manifest as waves?.... Yes.
Given the above, is it reasonable to assume that gravitational waves might exist?.... Yes.


that's all good for gravity , but gravity wouldn't stretch
time as time has no physical properties that would lend itself
to stretching.

spacetime does not exist and neither space nor time have
physical properties that would lend themselves to stretching.

I can see a gravity wave existing but not a continual wave
like a light wave unless the volume of mass were being
continually increased and decreased , but not due to
a merging of two masses as is proposed in the articles.
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#55540 - 02/21/16 06:09 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: paul]
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BIG FAT RED SHIFT experiment


please study slowly 3Hz example
( please take pencil and check)





Why test = Big RED test ?

please print below ilustration and please try mark X1 point
x1 - Earth own axis ( 24h rotation period )




EACH COLOUR = FORCE




In 2012 I was first person who saw red ( my small flat Poland )
i marked N-S and W-E direction on floore in my room
I took camera




I did many more work

1861 J. C. Maxwell, published his theory of electromagnetic fields and radiation, which shows that light has momentum and thus can exert pressure on objects.
1901 P. N. Lebedev EXPERIMENTAL EXAMINATION OF LIGHT PRESSURE
2011 Grover Swartzlander first began to examine a revolutionary concept in optical physics after studying the flight of a moth. He watched the animal use its wings to create lift, which led to flight. Swartzlander asked : Could light be used to create the same effect?

My test :

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k-fEtiw4wbs/VoAepTqBu0I/AAAAAAAACjI/aBzTu8AugkI/s1600/32.jpg



I want to write agreement with anyone who offer me 1000 000 USD
100% rights to BOOK and Papers publication
( Prize can be 10x more high it will be GOOD PROMOTION - you can add informations to press about money that You offer me for my words !!! It must be shock for people who love physics
they not LOVE physics but they LOVE Einsten's marketing!

I also explained DOUBLE SLIT EXPERIMENT ( it is classic mechanica )

I'm only 36 yo
my work
http://tesla4.blogspot.com


Edited by newton (02/21/16 06:12 PM)

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#55544 - 02/21/16 07:20 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: paul]
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that's all good for gravity , but gravity wouldn't stretch
time as time has no physical properties that would lend itself
to stretching.


Mine was just a first, faltering, step in the direction of finding where any common ground might be.

At least I know now that your mind is open to the possible existence of gravity waves.
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#55566 - 02/27/16 03:27 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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Paul, are you familiar with Louis Savain?

If not, I thought this might interest you.

http://rebelscience.blogspot.co.uk/

On second thoughts, perhaps I should have asked "Are you Louis Savain?" I thought I would get that in before Orac did. laugh
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#55569 - 02/28/16 02:34 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Bill S.]
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On second thoughts, perhaps I should have asked "Are you Louis Savain?" I thought I would get that in before Orac did. laugh


Wow , its like lookin in the mirror , the guy has a head
on his shoulders that's for sure and its not filled with
worthless crap like oracs is.

but no I wouldn't make a blog about how idiotic science has
become because no one cares except the idiots and idiots cant
be taught the truth or learn so what would be the point in doing so.

I would like to make a computer game that pits the old school
scientist against the modern scientist and let them have the
exact same resources on separate planets in separate galaxies and the main objective of the game would be to first survive and then build an economy and then venture out into space and conquer the cosmos ... I can see the modern scientist with their rocket powered spacecraft on their first trip to mars as the old school scientist whiz by at several times the speed of light in one of there galaxy cruisers on there way to some distant galaxy for a few weeks vacation ... looking over at the clunker the modern scientist are strapped into as its image is displayed on the view screen thinking yep , Einstein was right nothing they could possibly ever build could ever travel faster than light.

in unison they all shout out , thank you Einstein for keeping
them so ignorant of the things they could have done as they
send a message back to the main invasion forces informing them of the modern scientist planets location , with emphasis
that the main invasion forces would not be required ... just
send a single unmanned lightly armed scout ... that's all
that should be needed to win the game.
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#55571 - 02/28/16 04:12 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: paul]
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Oh no the bad reigious nutter is insulting me.

Like all your stupid goat worship rants it has an information value of about zero and has about the same spam rating as Marosz.

If you have nothing but insults and science is bad dribble why don't you go preach back at Sunday school to the little kiddies. I am sure the story of Noah and the Dinosaurs will be a hit.

Lets start counting posts with the same rant just rehashed ... one.

No baby Jesuses were harmed in the production of this post.


Edited by Orac (02/28/16 04:22 PM)
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#55573 - 02/28/16 06:41 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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Perhaps we could tear ourselves away from unhelpful gods, goats and baby Jesuses.

LS touches on a topic we were discussing in another thread; namely the question as to why we don’t observe run away gravity. I don’t see how the presence, or otherwise, of gravity waves would influence this, as any cancelling, or amplifying, would be only local events.
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Gravity affects everything that exists equally regardless of mass and this includes massless particles. Both Newton and Galileo understood this centuries ago, even though relativists claim that they are the ones who figured it out. Go figure.

The problem is that this undeniable principle means that gravity also affect gravitational waves. Since these waves affect themselves, they either cancel themselves out or amplify themselves recursively. The same objection applies to so-called curved space and to hypothetical intermediary particles such as gravitons. In other words, if it exists, regardless of its mass, gravity affects it. The infinite self-referential regress is too painful to even contemplate.


He has delightfully confrontational style, but I think, unfortunately, it adds little to his chances of being taken seriously.
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#55575 - 02/29/16 12:43 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Bill S.]
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I really don't care what his style is he doesn't have a clue what he is discussing

Gravitational wave
AND
Gravity Wave

ARE NOT THE SAME THING

Paul in his anti science God rant fell into the same hole, they can't even get the basics right.

The question he also avoided which is if everything attracts everything else why doesn't his universe just up and spontaneously collapse. This is the problem with approaching complex problem in a layman simple ways is you are trying to ignore the reality that what your discussion has a massive flaw before you even begin.


Edited by Orac (02/29/16 12:46 AM)
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