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#55465 - 02/15/16 08:06 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Orac]
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WHAT IT IS GRAVITATION ?


1861 J. C. Maxwell, published his theory of electromagnetic fields and radiation, which shows that light has momentum and thus can exert pressure on objects.
1901 P. N. Lebedev EXPERIMENTAL EXAMINATION OF LIGHT PRESSURE
2011 Grover Swartzlander first began to examine a revolutionary concept in optical physics after studying the flight of a moth. He watched the animal use its wings to create lift, which led to flight. Swartzlander asked : Could light be used to create the same effect?


HOW HEAVY IS 1kg ???

0,001 mm sheet has got near 100 m^2 area !!!

[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a5r9GtqfrbY/Vb3ULiRMuKI/AAAAAAAACcs/EOVyEkykhcU/s1600/galileo.jpg
[/img]

we have normal AIR's preasure /temperature
we need ADD TO PHYSICS
NORMAL EM CONDITION !!!

How heavy is 1kg wood and steel ?




EXIST TWO TYPES EM PREASURE
static and dynamic !!!

m=m but ?


DYNAMIC PROBLEM




HOW MOTION IS CHANGING Q ?



EM praeasure = ENERGY's density !!!




PLEASE COMPARE EARTH TO TRUCK !!!

EARTH's ATOMS are changing local EM preasure !!!
EM radiation around Earth want to destroy LOWER PREASURE AREA
( C speed = cavitation for EM preasure )





ABOVE MODEL = CLASSICA not STUPID THEORY but Simple DYNAMICA
IDEAL GAS MODEL !!!







PLEASE TAKE PENCIL and CONFIRM 45 degrees problem




EM DRIVE ?
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-spFELf_xcJ0/U_CBPKLmCEI/AAAAAAAAB5M/FfYELmw3M6c/s1600/pytanie1.jpg[/img]


[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vyrJ7RJ11uU/VoETV6_ew0I/AAAAAAAACj0/0XmMIP-rYy4/s1600/cv.jpg[/img]


WHY WE NEED STABILISATION FOR VEHICLE ?

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S0fy0L8E410/Vb3UhuFVICI/AAAAAAAACcw/HAb9cVlSj4M/s1600/SunEarth.jpg[/img]

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F9IkgNl8SaU/VeGJvlxWUQI/AAAAAAAACek/S0jKA-zP6rg/s1600/123.jpg[/img]


PLEASE EVALUATE A-A area ( Joul/cubic meter = N/m^2 = Pascal )

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XOxE9OYcVys/VP1HK3fFPgI/AAAAAAAACQc/EnJXXu4d2lg/s1600/CIMG3541.JPG[/img]

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#55466 - 02/15/16 08:25 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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ROCKET IS ONLY MORE FAR FROM PLANET !
ROCKET CAN NOT ESCAPE FROM UNIVERSE ( because rocket = one body from big system - each body is important )





HOW FAR FROM SUN IS MASS m on the table ?




PLEASE MAKE ABOVE TEST INSIDE ROCKET or NEAR SUN ?m= m but what about Q =Q ?



DO YOU UNDERSTAHND THAT UNIVERSE = MANY BODIES !

ACCELERATION it is not GRAVITATION !!!







Edited by newton (02/15/16 08:31 PM)

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#55467 - 02/15/16 08:34 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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I can not understand all ?

Einstein ? what is inside this theory

I proved that Exist Doppler ( Red)
Copernicus = Huge and strong evidence !

I showing that Acceleration it is not gravitation !

m=m but Q ??? to evaluate Q we must describe motion by dynamica

HOW BIG FORCE IS REGISTERING MASS m ?
where is mass m ?
haw fast is moving m ? and motion's direction





EXPERIMENT WITH AIRPLANE and CLOCK ?

How heavy are electrons ? why clock is slowing down







Edited by newton (02/15/16 08:38 PM)

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#55468 - 02/15/16 08:50 PM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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DYNAMIC TEST FOR ABSOLUTE ROTATION !

Light is pushing Air during below test


WORK = FORCE x DISTANCE

We have master sample for ENERGY PoRTION
(1 mol hydrogen explosion - FLASH )

how many Jouls will lost Light to push AIR ?
how bright signal will register FILM ?

AIR IS DANCING !!!

EXIST OMEGA !!!



PLEASE ADD TO ABOVE TEST BELOW PROBLEM






MACIEJ MAROSZ POLAND 2012
DYNAMICA inside MICHELSON MORLEY


Edited by newton (02/15/16 08:54 PM)

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#55471 - 02/16/16 12:40 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Orac]
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so if the ligo suppresses the seismic motion effects
then that seismic suppression also nulls any gravitation
fluctuations that are the result of seismic activity?

laugh

how does the ligo suppress gravity fluctuations?

does it only suppress the earths gravity fluctuations?

have they discovered some type of gravity shield?

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#55472 - 02/16/16 12:53 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Orac]
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Quote:
So are you saying the positive waveform means the voltage is going away from earth and the negative part towards earth?


the ligo uses a laser beam in a long tunnel
to detect gravity fluctuations.

the laser beam will move up away from the earth if there
is a increase in gravity intensity coming from above

likewise the laser will move downwards towards the earth
if there is a gravity intensity coming from the earth.

does that make sense to you ?

to me its obvious that the detection is taking place
when the laser beam bends due to gravity fluctuations.

unless Im wrong , figure the odds of me being wrong and
you being right...LOL

shocked
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#55473 - 02/16/16 01:22 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Orac]
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plus , you should practice your paragraph comprehension
your flawed comprehension does not equate to you being right.

Quote:
You have two LIGO's turn the seismic suppression off one and leave it on the other .... DOH.

Wait for a reasonable earthquake now compare results smile

You can tell if the seismic suppression works pretty dam easy and put error bars and numbers around the suppression ability.


also: a laser beam that is being moved up and down to
suppress seismic motion will cause the laser beam to
form a wave.

and: seismic motion waves caused at the earths surface
radiate outwards from the epicenter so the two ends of the tunnel will respond to each seismic wave at different times.

I did not read where there was a detected motion wave
during the recording of the proposed gravity wave detection
event but the graphs show that what was detected was
coming from below the ligo.

the graph shows the gravity intensity in both (+)and(-)
since the desired ligo detection was the detection of the
gravity of a black hole system beyond the earth then I
would think that the engineers and designers of the ligo
would have used the (+) side to show positive gravity
fluctuations of the black hole system not the gravity
fluctuations of the earth.
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#55474 - 02/16/16 01:37 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: paul]
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Paul lets just say yes you are wrong and it isn't worth even discussing such blatant stupidity any more than Marosz's spam.

Paul go and read the LIGO site and what LIGO is actually measuring which has nothing to do with any gravitational field. LIGO doesn't measure voltages, air pressure or force either, strange as it may be to you. That is why your post is spam and why I will ask Rose to treat it as such and won't answer silly nonsense.

Rose my dear would you like to do the honors and remove both these sets of spam. If they want to make there own threads on their stupidity I have no issue but can they get these longs posts of rubbish out of this thread. I am sure if people are interested they will flock to Paul and Marosz's thread to discuss it with them. To get back to an actual discussion post we now have to scroll back an entire page between these two sets of spam. As discussed above with Paul he hasn't even bothered to work out what LIGO measures and we have long posts on completely unrelated things.

I am not sure what you want to do with Marosz he doesn't seem to ever get the message no matter how much we ask he writes and doesn't post massive walls of spam images.


Edited by Orac (02/16/16 01:59 AM)
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#55481 - 02/16/16 03:15 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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Just another 334 posts and Paul will be top poster; perhaps he will not need to blanket threads with posts then, and will be able to return to a less frenetic style of posting. smile

I would hold out no such hope for Marosz. frown


Edited by Bill S. (02/16/16 03:17 AM)
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#55483 - 02/16/16 05:38 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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SPAM ???

DOPPLER = SPAM ???

are You joking ?

3Hz example = spam BUT Michelson Morley = Einstein

Marosz Bad
Eaisten Good



DOPPLER ( RED SHIFT )


MICHELSON MORLEY (Earth is making rotation please mark X axis (Earth around own axis omega ) please take more longer arm




HI HITLA ORAC
ZIG HI
ARBACH MACH FRIE !




next "famous paradox"
EXIST SMALL RED SHIFT inside MICHELSON MORLEY
this red SHIFT is very very ... very Small
AND MR EINSTEIN = GENIUS



DEAR CHILDREN TAKE INTERFEROMETER COPERNICUS = IDIOT
DOPPLER is VERY VERY SMALL
BONAPETIT
- relativity is unlogic
HARD TO EAT BUT WE CONFIRMED ALL
You need close nose by EQUATIONS and more theories !:):)






Edited by newton (02/16/16 05:47 AM)

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#55485 - 02/16/16 05:50 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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LIGO ? ???

today I found next s... bonapetit

this s.. is about gravitation

EAT EAT THIS S...



Edited by newton (02/16/16 05:53 AM)

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#55486 - 02/16/16 05:51 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: newton]
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I am with Rose on the other thread Marosz seek help .... honestly.

You obviously have at least realized the observation says your theory is wrong so we have made a small step forward. There were ten others before that but I don't mind we have progress with you.

Yes your theory is wrong and science told you to take a running jump putting it a bit nicer than you. You have worked out your chances of anyone listening is about zero and that is true.

That is called a falsification and your theory is stone dead ... we read it the last rights and cremated it.

Now why don't you try actually learning how they knew what to predict and try reading and studying rather than getting angry. You may then actually be able to get a job in the area and away from CNC programming which is what you said you wanted.


Edited by Orac (02/16/16 06:01 AM)
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#55487 - 02/16/16 05:59 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Orac]
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DOPPLER = THEORY ???

V1 = 54 000 km/s
V2 = 108 000 km/s
R1= 300 000 km/s
R2= 600 000 km/s

DO YOU RECOGNIZE DOPPLER ?
OR I MADE MISTAKE !!!



DIAGRAMS ? my camera = diagram hologram in my brain ?
DOPPLER and RED shift not exist
MAROSZ = spamer ?



WE HAVE ZERO or DOPPLER RED ??!!!



ZIG HI
HI HITLA !!!


BONAPETIT ORAC !!!
Michelson–Morley experiment
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michelson and Morley's interferometric setup, mounted on a stone slab that floats in an annular trough of mercury.
The Michelson–Morley experiment was performed over the spring and summer of 1887 by Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Morley at what is now Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, and published in November of the same year.[1] It compared the speed of light in perpendicular directions, in an attempt to detect the relative motion of matter through the stationary luminiferous aether ("aether wind"). The result was negative, in that the expected difference between the speed of light in the direction of movement through the presumed aether, and the speed at right angles, was found not to exist; this result is generally considered to be the first strong evidence against the then-prevalent aether theory, and initiated a line of research that eventually led to special relativity, which rules out a stationary aether.[A 1] The experiment has been referred to as "the moving-off point for the theoretical aspects of the Second Scientific Revolution".[A 2]

IN LIGO THEY are using MICHESLON MORLEY TOOL
BUT THEY NOT SEE RED SHIFT ????
famous zero ?
how THEY WANT TO MEASURE SPACE OSCYLATION WITHOUT
ACCEPT FACT THAT exist doppler ?

we have to disprove zero ON THE table = we not have relativity !



Edited by newton (02/16/16 06:14 AM)

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#55489 - 02/16/16 07:24 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: newton]
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Not sure why you are ranting at me Marosz, I don't see I can do anything about it, but lets try.

Marosz, what exactly is it you want me to do in easy concise instructions?


Edited by Orac (02/16/16 07:27 AM)
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#55490 - 02/16/16 09:14 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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Please Evaluate Doppler


Earth's rotation respect to own AXIS X point




...................^V1............V2
X-----------------SOURCE----R---SENSOR2
.....................
.....................
.....................R distance
.....................
....................^V3
.................sensor1>V4


Earth is making rotation = Each sensor = Doppler RED shift

V1 ,V2 , (V1 + V2 )


WHY IN BOOKS ( physics ) we have FAMOUS ZERO ( Michelson Morley )
it it basic experiment for Einstein ? or it is stupid test



Michelson Morley = Evidence HOW ZERO is NOT ZERO
( it is evidence how theory is stupid ... and empty )




LIGO? they are using INTERFEROMETER to confirm Einstein's Theory ( Marosz' smile FUNY ! they need use this tool to DISPROVE EINSTEIN to show DOPPLER and COPERNICUS and MAROSZ's effect! they are able read DOPPLER ! not ZERO ! )

THEY ARE ABLE MEASURE
ABSOLUTE MOTION !!!!


Edited by newton (02/16/16 09:17 AM)

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#55491 - 02/16/16 09:27 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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BIG QESTION ? WHY LIGO is doing this idiotism ?
in my opinion not exist nothing without logic

IT CAN BE SPECIAL ACTIVITIY they blocking knowledge about
NEW VERY precission GPS SYSTEM to protect SECRET THEY SALING
stupid story about TIME AND SPACE ..

REAL GPS is very simple to build

peple who like BOATS - very well understand
that to evaluate position I need only 3 vectors and
astronomy time algoitme





to steering GPS we must understand INTENSITY problem

1861 J. C. Maxwell, published his theory of electromagnetic fields and radiation, which shows that light has momentum and thus can exert pressure on objects.
1901 P. N. Lebedev EXPERIMENTAL EXAMINATION OF LIGHT PRESSURE


WHERE THE SIGNAL STARTED
WHERE IS SENSOR ?






HOW BIG FORCE IS PUSHING BEARINGS ???




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#55492 - 02/16/16 09:34 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: newton]
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I can't understand that wall of pictures, it is like childrens scribble to me. Lots of weird unrelated things.

You have been told this by every person I have seen discussing things with you and still you persist ... your images make no sense.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result !!!!

EXPLAIN TO ME IN WORDS WHAT IT IS YOU WANT ME TO DO.

Even your bad English makes more sense to me than your images.


Edited by Orac (02/16/16 09:39 AM)
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#55493 - 02/16/16 09:39 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: pokey]
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HOW WORKS GPS ?


A(source)....................B (sensor )

each sensor optica has got SENSITIVE ( parameter)
for Example I see You = I'm registering ( 10 Jouls per sec )

Each Source has got POWER ( parameter ) 100 Joul/ sek ( emmision )


HOW BIG INTESITY IS REGISTERING SENSOR ( camera )


A >>> V1 ..................B >>> V1



Absolute motion it is BASIC info to wrote algoritms
Where the signal started ? where I see signal ? where is object now !



A > V1 ..................B >>>>>>>>>>>>> V2


Sensor will not register the same intesity ( compare to V1)

evidence?

this boat can not cross C speed




Exist in universe bodies FASTER tnan Light ?
we need ver special observations

45 degree? gives 1,41... C




BR TO ALL PEOPLE WHO LIKE KNOWLEDGE and RESPECT LOGICA
!!






Edited by newton (02/16/16 09:50 AM)

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#55494 - 02/16/16 09:43 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: newton]
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You ask a question ... How GPS works?

Then post a pile of stuff including images which has nothing to do with the question.

The GPS system doesn't give a rats about power or intensity and I can't remotely understand those images so PLEASE TYPE IN WORDS.

I can triangulate a signal source with the strongest signal or the weakest it has no bearing I just need a timing advance in the signal. What makes a GPS work is the signal is special it includes a time stamp within the signal.

Read ... GPS uses 5 easy steps.
http://www.trimble.com/gps_tutorial/howgps.aspx

In step 3 they say this "GPS needs very accurate timing which it achieves with some tricks". The trick is the put the timestamp in the signal.

I have no way to relate how a GPS works to your images. You either have no idea how a GPS works or you can't draw pictures.

Heaven only knows what spaceships and planes have to do with all this I am lost at the first image.

So which is it, you don't understand how GPS works or you cant draw?

This is why I refuse to discuss stuff with you because it is like gibberish to me.


Edited by Orac (02/16/16 09:57 AM)
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#55495 - 02/16/16 09:57 AM Re: Gravity Waves [Re: Orac]
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Originally Posted By: Orac
You ask a question ... How GPS works?

Then post a pile of stuff including images which has nothing to do with the question.

The GPS system doesn't give a rats about power or intensity I can't remotely understand those images so PLEASE TYPE IN WORDS.

I can triangulate a signal source with the strongest signal or the weakest it has no bearing I just need a timing advance in the signal. What makes a GPS work is the signal is special it includes a time stamp within the signal.

Read ... GPS uses 5 easy steps.
http://www.trimble.com/gps_tutorial/howgps.aspx

In step 3 they say this "GPS needs very accurate timing which it achieves with some tricks". The trick is the put the timestamp in the signal.

I have no way to relate how a GPS works to your images. You either have no idea how a GPS works or you can't draw pictures.

So which is it you don't understand how a GPS works or you can draw?



SIMPLE EXAMPLE !

Source ----------R--------sensor1

Source-----------R--------sensor2


Sensor 1 has got huge SENSITIVE ! ( one foton )

Sensor 2 has got VERY VERY Low SENSITIVE ( 1 MJ )


WHAT IS BEETER sensor 1 or sensor 2 ?


HOW MANY JOULS/mm^2 is registering left/right wall ?

1861 J. C. Maxwell, published his theory of electromagnetic fields and radiation, which shows that light has momentum and thus can exert pressure on objects.

1901 P. N. Lebedev EXPERIMENTAL EXAMINATION OF LIGHT PRESSURE

Light or Radio 3D signal it is EM radiation




THE SIGNAL STARTED IN t=0
How big intensity is registering walls ?





HOW BIG FORCE IS PUSHING EARTH ?

CONSTANT ? or NOT ?





ORAC use Your brain ? please not read stupid theories about space !


MORE SIMPLE EVIDENCE to SEE black HOLE people are building more biger and more sensitive sensors !!!



me ..................LIGHT >>>..........black hole

light is not able hit black hole


me .............Light>>>......ball > 2m/s

I see ball because light hit ball and back to me

( I WILL NEVER SEE FRESH BALL POSITION !!!



me ........................BULB >>> XX m/s


if I have knowledge about bulb's power
bulb's size I can evaluate bulb's motion




I will never see "FRESH Position" for bulb
BUT i can evaluate where the BULB started 3D signal ?




ALSO bulb COLOUR is IMPORTANT !!!









Edited by newton (02/16/16 10:11 AM)

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