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#54727 - 11/14/15 01:46 PM France and Gun Control
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I'm not trying to be insensitive about the nov 12 executions
carried out in paris france where from what I understand over 120 citizens were executed one by one in a restaurant , in a
stadium , and while attending a concert.

but I do want to be realistic about it.

if you were one of those about to be executed that night
would you wonder where the police are , would you want to
have a firearm right then that you could use for your defense
and the defense of those you are watching as they are being executed.

also , given that france has the strongest gun control laws
from what I have read would you also wonder why these people who are about to execute you are using guns because the gun control laws prevent them from having guns.

I think that france should revoke all gun control laws knowing that their entire country could slip into a war zone like area such as Syria resulting in massive bombardment that reduces the
cities to mostly rubble.

the French gave the us our statue of liberty and her foot is
chained to the ground and liberty shall not pass in the us as long as we still have the ability to throw off a government of tyrants that desires to remove our liberties.

I remember stepping off the liberty boats in Italy for shore leave , and one of the most influencing memories that I have is
that while walking down any street you would always see several men and many times women with automatic machine guns slung over their backs they were not military or police , but the police that I did see also had automatic machine guns.

I do not recall a time while on shore leave in Italy when I ever heard a gun shot.

I don't know what italys crime rate was then but I would guess
that it was very low.

what these gun control control freaks really want is to make
us citizens fully dependent on them for protection , just like the protection that these 120 + executed people in france received when they were alive.

if I hear that a politician thinks that any form of gun control is good for the us I automatically know that they will
not get a vote from me.

because they would not be the correct type of person that our country needs in this day and time.
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#54728 - 11/14/15 10:03 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: paul]
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#54747 - 11/17/15 01:41 AM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: Bill S.]
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that article did explain a little further into the murders
in france , and I heard on the radio today that france has
declared war on isis ...

a video that I watched showed some of the french national isis
members practically begging france to come and fight them and
so now I suppose they will get a chance to fight.

I'm just wondering if they might need more weapons and ammo
and thus the need or desire to get ground troops to fight
them so they can get more weapons and ammo.

after all , the us weapons that the us left over there due
to the 1 billion cost of return shipping back to the us may
be in bad repair by now and need replacing.

anyway , millions of immigrants have entered into Europe and
have been there for awhile now , long enough to have established groups of combatants possibly very large groups
I also heard today that the French intend to put a thousand more policemen on patrol in france ... if they have large enough groups established then 1000 added policemen may not be enough because the 1000 added policemen would be spread out to thin , they may actually need to arm the citizens in order to prevent take overs of their cities.

I hate to think about it , but the reality of that happening
needs to be covered in a real way.


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#54757 - 11/17/15 05:40 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: Paul
and I heard on the radio today that france has
declared war on isis


Isn't that exactly what Isis wants?

Quote:
a video that I watched showed some of the french national isis members practically begging france to come and fight them and
so now I suppose they will get a chance to fight.


I guess that answers the question.
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#54762 - 11/18/15 12:21 AM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: Bill S.]
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I just watched the news on cnn , and I thought I was looking
at terrorist but it was the police in black unis and black
ski mask ... I certainly hope that they will change the
unis if they do decide to arm the citizens because there
isn't much difference between the isis members and the French
police on cnn as far as appearance goes.

up close you could probably tell the difference really quick
but from a distance without optics the uni similarities might
cause loads of friendly fire incidents by armed civilians.

also today on the radio I could not believe what I was hearing ... they were talking about internment camps as a
means of avoiding any future terrorist attacks.

if theres anything that could bind the non aggressive and peaceful muslim peoples and the isis peoples together
this would surely be a good candidate.

people are getting really edgy about this and they should be
concerned especially about their families safety but we need
to think about the results of our actions before we start doing anything out of the way to innocent people.

look at the ww2 and the hatred that the Nazi party showed
towards the jewish peoples , they interned the jews into
the getto first ... then as numbness and fear of reprisal
gained hold in the german people there was nothing that the
Nazis could not do to the jewish peoples.

we don't want that part of world history to be forgotten
because we know what fear and numbness to morality can do
to the innocent peoples of the world.

so now again 70 years later we seem to be facing a similar
situation and I hope we have learned enough about history to
not let it repeat itself again.
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#54763 - 11/18/15 02:54 AM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: paul]
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I can fully agree with you on the error of trying to contain terrorism by interning whole segments of the population. That would undoubtedly be one of the worst decisions any nation ever made.

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#54773 - 11/18/15 09:33 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: Bill
I can fully agree with you on the error of trying to contain terrorism by interning whole segments of the population. That would undoubtedly be one of the worst decisions any nation ever made.


I'm with that, as well. Hitler may have got away with it, to a great extent; but the world and the situation have changed a lot since then. Today, I think the backlash could be enormous.

Originally Posted By: Paul
so now again 70 years later we seem to be facing a similar
situation and I hope we have learned enough about history to
not let it repeat itself again.


I would share your hope, Paul, but the bad news is that if there is one thing history tells us it is that it repeats itself - with a lot of help from world leaders.
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#54777 - 11/19/15 02:53 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: Bill S.]
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here in the U.S. the governors of around 30 of the us states
have declined offers to have the Syrian refugees inserted into
their respective states.

I used the word offers vs the word orders because the president cannot dictate to the states what he desires he
must follow the laws set down in the us constitution.

he cannot simply move people around where he wants them to
be located as the communist Chinese government does with its peoples.

if he accomplishes this through any means and yes even with
a supreme court order then this would open the door to exactly
what the Nazi party achieved with the jewish peoples of Europe by relocating them first into the getto then later into the gas chambers at the concentration camps located throughout Nazi held territories , he would have the un constitutional ability to relocate any peoples including us citizens inside the us or us territories to wherever he or the agenda he is
following ( sustainable development ) dictates.

try to look below the surface of this event as it unfolds
and you can see what this is really all about.

the leaders keep trying to chip away the rights that we as
peoples of the us and the states governments have in order to
accomplish their pre defined agenda.

a state governments loyalty resides with its people.

if its people do not desire to have the Syrian refugees
inserted into their respective states then the federal government must abide by the decisions made by the state governments , perhaps the peoples of each state should
vote on the acceptance of the refugees into their state.

after all this event is not a national emergency in the us
and should be treated as such without the drama that is being
and will be generated by forcing states to accept unwanted
refugees into their states that might lead to lynch mobs
taking matters into their own hands in order to protect
their respective states borders.

it may be sad but that is what I see if things get out
of hand in the us.

what would a angry mob of
us ( armed : its our right ) citizens
do to any one who is a known Syrian refugee that
they could find if this event were to have happened in their city?


this event clearly shows why each state needs its separation
from the federal government where its defense force is concerned and this event also clearly shows why each state
needs a well regulated ( properly armed and trained ) defense
force.


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#54782 - 11/19/15 11:43 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: Paul
here in the U.S. the governors of around 30 of the us states
have declined offers to have the Syrian refugees inserted into
their respective states.

I don't think that is quite what they governors have said. I think they have stated that they don't want the refugees. That is a slightly different statement.

As far as refusing to let them come to their states, I don't think there is anything in the constitution that allows states to interfere with the movement of people between states. As long as people are legal residents they can go anywhere they want to. Your suggestion that some states can refuse to have particular people in their borders sounds to me like just the sort of thing you seem to be accusing the Federal Government of. Controlling where people can live.

Hey if states can refuse to allow refugees in how come California had to let the Okies in during the Dust Bowl days? They sure didn't want them.

My understanding of the way refugees is handled is that they have to undergo a strict review, and have somebody who agrees to help them get settled. The review may take as long as 2 years.

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#54783 - 11/20/15 02:17 AM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: Bill]
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Quote:
As far as refusing to let them come to their states, I don't think there is anything in the constitution that allows states to interfere with the movement of people between states.


good point , but since its not covered in the constitution then
the constitution states that the powers that are not granted to the federal government
and are not prohibited by the constitution
are granted to the states or the people.

so if the federal government has not been granted the power
to place people in a state then a state has been granted the
power to refuse placement of said people.

I'll have to have a closer look at that tomorrow though
I'm not sure if this would be in context or out of context
its like a grey area to me for now.

it will be interesting to see how this turns out , but really
to be on the safe side for any of the refugees that are allowed into the us it might be better to place them in a non hostile environment until the laws and powers can be worked out.

also: a person that is allowed to enter the us legally
or a person who was born in the us can move about freely in the
us without restriction.

but the federal government cannot tell a person where he can move to.

so once they are legally here in the us then there is no restriction as to which state they can live in.

the president cannot just dictate to a person or a group of
people where they can or cannot live like the communist Chinese do.

and that was the point I was trying to make.

if they all decide that they want to live in Washington dc and
if they can get there , then there they are...

anything else would be like the Nazi party moving the jews
around where ever the Nazis wanted them to be.

btw ... agenda 21 ( sustainable development ) wants to
place ALL us citizens into cities so that the people of those cities can be more easily controlled...

if the president accomplishes the placing of people in
chosen areas through some un constitutional court order or
presidential order then that much of the legalities involved in the desired compacting
of the us population for control purposes outlined in agenda 21 ( sustainable development ) will have been accomplished , then the next steps would be to begin placing the us population where the united nations / world government wants them to be placed.

also: agenda 21 ( sustainable development ) clearly states
that no one will own anything.
no home.
no yard.
nothing.

you do not need to own anything , all you need to do
is work , eat , sleep ... in utopia.

cradle to grave

probably cradled in the arms of a agenda 21 health worker
because your parents don't own you so you belong to the
world government ( like the Nazis did ) and the grave must
just be the dust of your remains after the crematory is
finished unless it is determined that your body needs to
be recycled to extract any valuable consumables that you
acquired during you life time such as water , vitamins , etc...





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#54787 - 11/20/15 02:12 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: Paul
also: agenda 21 ( sustainable development ) clearly states
that no one will own anything.
no home.
no yard.
nothing.

Can you point me to the relevant clause in Agenda 21? I really don't want to have to read through the whole 351 pages to find it.

And of course Agenda 21 is advancing very rapidly on all fronts. I see it was created in 1992. I expect they will be sweeping through the countryside rounding up all the farmers and forcing them to move to the cities any day now.

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#54788 - 11/20/15 04:24 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: Bill]
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it actually started in 1982 when the united nations
( world government wannabe )
requested a report be done to asses what could be
done to protect our planet against things like global warming , misuse of natural resources , the environment ... etc

note: the world socialist party leader in the us was one of the designers of agenda 21 through a co authored book
called our common future with Maurice strong , the guy who wanted to sustainably develop the water on his newly purchased property sitting atop the largest aquifer in the us and block access to the water then sell that water to the farmers in order to make the water sustainable ... by owning and selling it sustainably.

anyway the book led to the earth summit of 1992
united nations conference on environment and development.

in that summit Maurice strong declared that
"isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse?
isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"

agenda 21 was then codified according to the video below
into the global biodiversity assessment report which I
cant seem to find on the internet.

anyway heres the video and below there are several others
since reading the entire book isn't something I would like
to do either.


@ 18:20 into the video it states that private property is
un sustainable.


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=age...4F9F1DAD6DD5ACB

several others

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=age...y&FORM=VDRE

agenda 21 is not some type of conspiracy that should
simply be shrugged off by people due to its uncredibility
it is a real agenda that is being sought after in the
world and in the united states.

although it is voluntary and is not a law in the us
surveys have found that only 9% of 1300 us voters
supported agenda 21 6% opposed and a whopping 85% didn't
have a clue as to what the frack it is or what it means.

yet by reading about it on this page its clear that
agenda 21 is a well known document among politicians
and the elite that is seeking adoption in the us and
there are many of the elitist that are supporting it
either out of ignorance or pressure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

the only way that an elitist would support adoption of such
a set of guidelines that would remove their wealth and
distribute that wealth would be that the intended purpose
of the overall system behind agenda 21 or sustainable
development would be fraudulent and would allow the elite
to own property and keep their wealth as well.

an excerpt from the above wiki page.

Quote:
During the last decade, opposition to Agenda 21 has increased within the United States at the local, state, and federal levels.[18] The Republican National Committee has adopted a resolution opposing Agenda 21, and the Republican Party platform stated that "We strongly reject the U.N. Agenda 21 as erosive of American sovereignty."[19][20] Several state and local governments have considered or passed motions and legislation opposing Agenda 21.[4][13][21][22][23][24] Alabama became the first state to prohibit government participation in Agenda 21.[5] Many other states, including Arizona, are drafting, and close to passing legislation to ban Agenda 21.[25]

Activists, some of whom have been associated with the Tea Party movement by The New York Times and The Huffington Post, have said that Agenda 21 is a conspiracy by the United Nations to deprive individuals of property rights.[4][13] Columnists in The Atlantic have linked opposition to Agenda 21 to the property rights movement in the United States.[13][26] In 2012 Glenn Beck co-wrote a dystopian novel titled Agenda 21 based in part on concepts discussed in the UN plan


the next time the so called supporters of sustainable
development have a summit let there be a really huge money
pot located at the door when they come into the building
that has a sign on it ... place all of your property in
the pot or walk away.

the summit would not have a single true supporter attending.




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#54794 - 11/21/15 06:01 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: paul]
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I did a quick check on the internet. Almost all I could find was rants from conspiracy theorists, not solid facts. When I am supposed to get all worried about something I really like to have some solid facts. Otherwise I start worrying about Homeland Security establishing holding sites in closed Walmart stores for when they make massive roundups of people for some reason. I don't know that I ever heard just what group of people they were supposed to be interning. Anyway they got really subtle about it. Here in Tulsa the Walmart store has reopened, with no sign of any holding areas. I think they must be in a secret basement under the building. That has just about as much chance of being true as for Agenda 21 to be a secret plan to force everybody to move into government provided mass housing. Actually I believe most of those government project developments have been closed because things got so bad in them. Those are the ones from back in the 60s when they were providing inexpensive housing during the Urban Renewal (called by some Urban Removal) phase of the fight against poverty.

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#54796 - 11/22/15 01:54 PM Re: France and Gun Control [Re: Bill]
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Quote:
I really like to have some solid facts


I do too , and that is the reason that I don't believe that
co2 is causing any warming ... but there are no facts that
imply that co2 is causing any warming.

I'm not trying to make you worry about agenda 21 that will
come in time as it grows if it grows.

unlike the co2 warming that is actually cooling there are
books that outline the agenda 21 plans to congregate people
into cities and to remove personal property and these plans
are being adopted. they are being adopted really slowly and
when events arise that might speed up the adoption of these plans then the supporters of these plans grab the opportunity
to implement parts of those plans.

so there is a whole lot more facts about agenda 21 and its plans than there is facts about global warming or any warming whatsoever due to co2 , but you most likely believe that co2 is warming the globe don't you?

so you go with whatever your peers believe facts or not.

agenda 21 and sustainable development is real its not a
secret and its not a conspiracy it is a fact.

all in all , at the end of the day the united nations seems
to think that writing these books is important because they
spend millions of dollars having them written.
and they have a lot of books written on many subjects.

heres a web site that might give people an idea of the things
that the united nations seems to be interested in.

http://www.un.org/en/development/other/overview.shtml

as far as facts are concerned when I click on the links

population I get a 404 error
http://www.un.org/en/development/progareas/population.shtml
and

sustainable development , human settlements and energy I also
get a 404 error
http://www.un.org/en/development/progareas/dsd.shtml
I guess the books are given priority as the web sites are
freely available to the public without the need to purchase
the gazillion or so books and publications that the united nations have had written.

so where does a conspiracy theory start.
I say , lack of information.


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