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#51752 - 04/19/14 06:22 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Originally Posted By: Tutor Turtle
Repeat and repeat again, and again and again and again ad infinitum ...
Still hoping to find someone who will actually find an interest in you repeating yourself rev.?
Still throwing spit-ball (Illegal), rhetorical questions, eh? SAD!
But the good news is:
1. such questions are short and sweet.
2. it is obvious that you and many people are taking time to read the good stuff. Look at all those hits!
3. and I can always rely on the ignore-button to avoid the long-winded and tedious stuff. smile Now go pick up all those spit-balls! BTW, the coach wants to have a word with you, ASAP! I will pipe you into his office with a whistle and a chuckle laugh
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#51754 - 04/19/14 10:46 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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You might be making an assumption when it comes to anyone really reading any of this stuff.

What is obvious, is that no one stays and responds to any of it.

Almost 8 million hits and no one has responded to any of it other than Bill S since October of last year... That's 6 months. Prior to that it was just Orac who wasn't at all interested in the material but more inclined to pit the people who come here against their beliefs and ideals to claim superiority in his rationality over anyone who believes in spiritual ramblings.

Oh and it wasn't spit balls I was playing with but rather you repeating yourself with the same information you bring here about how you started this thread, who you are and who or what your G~’~D is...

Think about it. If everyone was actually reading this, you wouldn't have to repeat yourself like no one has read it before or to pretend like its the first time you have brought these same topics up again and again in hopes one of those 8 million might satisfy your need for attention.
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#51756 - 04/19/14 11:00 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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*** You are ignoring this user *** Thanks for reminding me! laugh
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#51757 - 04/19/14 11:23 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
*** You are ignoring this user *** Thanks for reminding me! laugh


At your age I'm sure you need all the reminding you can get.

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#51758 - 04/20/14 05:41 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
*** You are ignoring this user *** Thanks for reminding me! laugh

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At your age I'm sure you need all the reminding you can get.

Not so fast, TT!
No need to tire your brain jumping at conclusions. Both Jean (now 85) and I--who will be 85, next January 14--are now "ROADS SCHOLARS"--not to be confused with "Rhodes"--if you get the pun which "I"--egotist that I AM-- created, eh!

Since we both turned 80--that was in 2009 for Jean and 2010, for me--every 2 years, we have to have our eyes tested, and take a long written test on driving and the rules of the road.

At this point, both of us have been "Roads (Rhodes) scholars" since we turned 80. We have also helped encourage others not to fear having to go through the process.

THOSE NOT INTERESTED IN PERSONAL STORIES--if I bore you, feel free to put me on IGNORE ... I tell the following story because it is about what really happened to me. About how I put my fear aside and made practical use of my THINKING AND THE IMAGINATION, and learned how the mind can be used to guide us in time of need.

As I recall, my self-awareness, my consciousness, began to evolve sometime between 1932 to 1934! When I was 4 going on 5, I remember thinking and using my imagination to draw life-like people and animals. Others were amazed.

I could even make animals, and people, not just snowmen, out of snow. As I soon discovered that I could do this, and the more I did it, the more it worked.

Looking back, I suspect that the fact that, at an early age, I vividly remember the deaths (all caused by TB)--in their 20s--of my oldest brother and sister (who had just lost her husband and two children.) is what shocked me into "awareness"--Between 2 to 5 years old things began to happen.

I know I remember well the illness and death of our mother, who died, of TB, in the summer of 1935. I even wondered about the power of thought and imagination. I thought to myself: If she had used it, I wondered if it would have helped!

LIFE-THREATENING WINTER STORMS HAPPEN

The winter (1934-1935) before mother died, as I remember, experienced its share of life-threatening winter storms. Without a radio or a phone in our house, we had no warning of such storms.

The day I almost lost my life in one such storm, started off as a clear winter's day in the winter 1935.

I think it was a Saturday. Then, miners worked ten hours a day--in mid winter, they never saw the sun, and SUNDAY was the only holiday. No schooling, in our area, in winter.

About noon hour, my mother being ill in bed and my father and older brothers being at work in the iron ore mines, and would not be home until after dark, around 6:00 PM--and there being lot of good snow on the ground, and no storm in sight, I decided to go out sledding, all alone.

Later, after I met a friend in the area, we travelled to the hills at the edge of the island, north west and quite a distance from our homes and others houses--a vast and vacant area.

As long as it was sunny and clear, we had great fun!

By the late and mid-afternoon, I recall, the weather began to change, suddenly, for the worse. My friend took off for his house not far from there.

"See you tomorrow, if it is not stormy ..." he shouted

Then I took off to try and find my way home. I knew I was more than an hour away. Over the next hour, the storm got worse and worse. And the wind became dangerously cold. And I got totally lost.

The only thing that came to mind was: THINK & USE YOUR IMAGINATION!

I wonder if father and the others made it home? Once, they find out that I left the house, I know they will come looking for me ... I'll send them a mental message ... How will they know if I went to a friend's house, or not?

Meanwhile, it had become--just like in the old story--a "dark and stormy night" and I was lost in it.

[It is getting late. I will finish the story, tomorrow.]

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However if you are speaking of " this user " as yourself being ignored.. I would disagree. I've never ignored you rev. I just don't happen to filter my thoughts the way you do, by traveling thru your particular land of make believe.


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#51761 - 04/20/14 01:02 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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I--who will be 85, next January 14


Interesting combination: a snake, but only 15 days short of being a horse.
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#51762 - 04/20/14 02:38 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Bill S.]
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I--who will be 85, next January 14


Interesting combination: a snake, but only 15 days short of being a horse.


With the same reservations I have for most astrological malarkey, baloney and "horse feathers", etc., (what do my fellow Brits call it?--Yes, I was born a Brit, in NL) , I look forward to being a HORSE! cool http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/social_customs/zodiac/horse.htm very smile & laugh even cool
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Fortune Fortelling in 2014

I'll take some of this.

Overview: Snakes finally get past their bad fortune [WHICH I DID NOT HAVE] from 2013, the year of their birth, and welcome a comparatively good year. They can anticipate good fortune in life, career and other aspects.

In spite of this, they still should be careful and be prepared for unexpected troubles.

Students or other people who are taking exams can expect good performances.

If a snake person would like to advertise a company or enlarge the business, this is a good year to do it!


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#51764 - 04/20/14 03:00 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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Actually I'm a horse according to the Chinese zodiac..

According to Chinese astrology it says that the Snake and the Horse are strongly attracted to each other... blush

Originally Posted By: Revlgking

Not so fast, TT! No need to tire your brain jumping at conclusions. Both Jean (now 85) and I--who will be 85, next January 14--are now "ROADS SCHOLARS"


This means you no longer need help remembering or your memory is somewhere along the road?

And this might also mean that the quote:
Originally Posted By: Revlgking
*** You are ignoring this user *** Thanks for reminding me! laugh
Wasn't really a reminder, but rather the example that you don't really want to ignore the user but favor responding to the user.

This makes sense since you always respond to me while making the false claims that you are ignoring me..

Gosh rev. I always knew you really liked reading my posts regardless of the false rhetoric you posted about me. grin


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#51765 - 04/21/14 05:00 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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*** You are ignoring this user ***
I "Toggle the display of this post"
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'cause it makes for a neater page

BTW,
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Beginning in my high-school-student days (and even before)--I began focusing on the basic natural sciences (maths, physics, chemistry, biology, botany, geography and the like) including the stories of the great minds, like Copernicus and Galileo, and others, who invented them.

WERE ANY OF THE FIRST SCIENTISTS ATHEISTS AND/OR AGNOSTICS?

Not that I know of! Interestingly, in one way or another, it seems that our first ancestors on this planet--the first to invent speech and writing, the first to become teachers and scientists were also among the first religious people. And, as such, they came from all over this Earth on which our first ancestors lived.

At this point, BTW, there is no evidence that our first ancestors came from other planets.

THE ANCESTRY OF MODERN NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICANS?
What a question! Generally speaking, the names that come to my mind are almost too numerous to mention.

Long before the Vikings and other Europeans came by sea, we have this interesting info about people who may have walked from Asia during the ice age
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... DNA from the 12,600-year-old skeleton of an infant found in central Montana, scientists have confirmed that early Native Americans descended from ancient Asians, not from Western Europeans, according to a study published in Nature today (February 12). This work, led by ancient DNA expert Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen and his colleagues, marked the first ancient North American genome to have been fully sequenced.
Modern Canada now receives immigrants from all over the world from all kinds of backgrounds, including Egyptian, Persian (which the mother of my three grandchildren is), Zoroastrian, Arabian, African, Hebrew (Jews), Hindu (India), Buddhist, Muslim, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, American, South American, Mexican, Caribbean, Philippine, and so on.

ORGANIZED RELIGIONS
It appears that, in one form or another, virtually all ancient peoples, led by the ruling elite, the clergy and educated classes assumed there is a 'god'-like being, who they called 'God' and who replaced all the ancient gods.

It was proclaimed by them that God created the heavens, the earth and us, in His image. Even to this day, by the leaders of the world religions, there is the assumption that God exists and all of us ought to believe in and worship Him.
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THEOLOGICALLY SPEAKING, HOW FREE ARE WE TO EXPLORE OTHER OTHER OPTIONS THAN THEISM?

I NEED TO DO MORE WORK ON THE FOLLOWING IDEAS:

Years ago--using the few basic tools that I then had available--I began exploring and trying find all the evidence I could about the history, nature and function of the god-hypothesis.

Since 325--the time of Constantine (The first Christian Roman Emperor)--Monotheists have argued that, as proclaimed in the Christian creeds, God is the One and only true god.

By Him, all the long since defunct--dead, extinct, deceased and ancient mountain gods--are replaced.
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#51771 - 04/22/14 01:29 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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========LIFE-THREATENING WINTER STORMS--common to places like Bell Island, Newfoundland, www.bellisland.net ========

THE COLD AND STORMY DAY I ALMOST MET THE GRIM REAPER

It was not the first time that I had come close to meeting the Grim reaper.

Bell Island, in those days had just one medical doctor who was an over-worked GP, who needed help. There was no hospital with specialists, no surgeons and the like, armed with modern technology and antibiotics, available to serve the 10,000 people made up of the families belonging to the iron-ore miners (2,100 underground).

Bell Island was no place to expect to get the best of health care.

MY EARLY NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE (NDE)
The story I got from my older siblings is this: "When you were around two or three, you became so seriously ill with rickets--lack of vitamins D and other nutrients--that you could not walk for over a year."

I also remember being feverish and outside my body--a rather pleasant experience at the time. Dying? Who knows! I was later told that, "lots of cod liver oil, for which you developed a taste, helped you fully recover."

I strongly feel it also helped me deal with and fend off TB--as tests later showed that I have it and am immune, currently.

But the NDE that I vividly remember really happened, was not long after a winter thaw--a common annual occurrence on the south coast of Newfoundland. The thaw had left a thin layer of crusty snow on the hills around. It also left great patches of good ice all over the meadows --great for sledding onto from the gentle hills around the patches.

Patches of ice in the larger areas are always great for skating, especially for shinny (hockey, using a ball, or a puck, without refs.) Not able to afford the kind of skates all the kids have today, my first skates, at 4, were just skates that, with screws, could be put on to any old leather boots we happened to own.

It was, as I recall, in February or March of 1935---a few months before our mother, Maud, after a long struggle with TB, died.

The day, in which I almost met the grim reaper in one such storm, started off as a clear and sunny winter's day, with lots of good ice and snow in meadows to the west of us, just waiting for any children around looking to come and have fun. I was hoping to spend at least the afternoon, sledding and skating, with a friend or more.

Being mid-winter, this meant miners went to work in the dark, and sadly for low wages, came home in the dark. What a life! SUNDAY was the only holiday, with the family, for people living on Bell Island in the 1930s
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Beginning in 1933, thanks to some new contracts made with, of all places, NAZI Germany--then the home of national socialism and getting ready for World War II--the iron-ore miners of Bell Island--unlike many places during the Depression--got the "opportunity"--if we can call it that--to work ten hours a day for six days a week.

Ironically, the same NAZI Germany no doubt used some of the same ore to build weapons--that is, subs and torpedoes, etc. With these, in mid-1942, they came to Conception bay, attack our loading piers, sink four iron-ore carriers and killed 69 merchant seamen.



THE DAY OF THE STORM GOT TRICKY

Just before noon hour, I told my older sister, Elvia--who spent most of her time looking after our very-ill mother, Maud, who was now confined to her room--where I was going and I asked for her permission. And there being lot of good snow on the ground, and no storm in sight, I decided to go sledding, alone, or with some friends I may find.

Be AWARE, in those days few people had radios--a new one cost well over a months pay for the average worker. With no radio--we finally did get one in 1936--we had no warning of the storm of which I write.

Elvia said: "OK, I will get you some food to eat now, and some to take with you. Father and Bill are at work in the iron ore mines. They will not be home until just around dark--when the lights come on, around 6:00 PM. By then the lights will be on. Watch for them.
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[Miners who lived in and paid rent for the Company built houses--today, most such houses would be called un-insulated summer shacks--did have the use of basic electricity--for lights and radio, only, from dusk until dawn.

All other heat needs--no electric kettles, or stoves available could be used--had to come form coal-burning stoves. Of course, people had to buy coal from the Company Store.

BTW, Elvia also told me to watch for Rec and Ern--They are out helping a friend fix his boat. They said they would be back around the same time--lights-on time.

Ern was my next oldest brother--at 15 he was 10 years older than I was. Rec was, maybe 18 years my senior. Elvia was the next. And then came Bill.

Later, on my way to have some fun, I met a friend in the area, we travelled quite a distance to the hills at the edge of the island. They were, north west and quite a distance from our homes and others houses--a vast and vacant area--not far from the cove where Ern and Rec were helping a friend.

As long as it was sunny and clear, we had great fun!

However, by the late and mid-afternoon, as I recall, the weather began to change, suddenly, for the worse. My friend took off for his house not far from there.

"See you tomorrow, if it is not stormy ..." he shouted

Then I took off to try and find my way home. I knew I was at least more than an hour away. Over the next hour, the storm got worse and worse. And the wind became dangerously cold. And I got totally lost.

Meanwhile, it had become--just like in the old story--a "dark and stormy night" and I was lost in it.

The only thing that came to my mind was: THINK & USE YOUR IMAGINATION!

THERE WAS A REPEAT: THINK & USE YOUR IMAGINATION!

SUDDENLY, what my sister had said to me came to me: "LOOK FOR THE LIGHTS." as I told your brothers TO DO.
I thought of the last hill, on which my friend and I had so much fun. I found it easily, As I started to walk I could feel the slope of the hill ... so up and up I went ... eventually at the top of the hill, I was surprised to find the snow was not as heavy as it had been. Then I turned and looked back at my friends place and SURE ENOUGH--THE LIGHTS WERE ON.

Now I knew the approximate direction of the houses where our house was located--near what is still called KINGS HILL. And MANY LIGHTS WERE ON.

It was a long walk, but I kept the many lights in view, until I finally got to the fence gate--BTW, in Newfoundland, fences in those days were used, not to keep animals in, but mostly to keep roaming animals out. You see, by common law, horses, cows and goats were allowed to roam and feed, freely.

When I finally got to the gate--I STARTED to YELL as loud as I could--hoping that my father and/or one of my brothers (who I assumed had come home when they saw LIGHTS ON)... I was hoping that at least one of them, would hear me ... my hands were so stiff and so frozen that I could not use them to open the latch.

SUDDENLY! OUT the darkness, two ominous figures making strange noises, grabbed me. Then they tossed me, over the fence into a pile of snow.

"WELL!" to myself, I said, "that was a relief."

By the time I got on my feet ... I realized that the ominous figures were actually my brothers, having fun ... and my father?... from house to gate, was a long walkway ... was on his way.

When he got to me, the first thing that he did was this: He took off my frozen mits, put them in his pocket and gently grabbed both my hands, put them in his warm fur-like cap and placed them on his warm head.

WOW! AT FIRST, the PAIN was AWFUL!!! ... followed by a glorious warmth and relief, especially when I heard the GOOD news: NO permanent frost bite!

LIGHT & WARMTH OVERCAME THE DARKNESS

Looking back I see and feel there was a Great Omni Dazzlement --light and warmness.
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G~’~D forget the BB! and Think of a Great-Omni-Dazzlement! of that which Generates Organizes & Delivers all that is good, optimistic and desirable.


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#51846 - 04/26/14 06:13 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions ... [Re: Turner]
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On the way,soon, to 8,000,000 hits! WOW! cool


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#51855 - 04/26/14 10:44 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions ... [Re: Turner]
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Overview: Snakes finally get past their bad fortune [WHICH I DID NOT HAVE] from 2013, the year of their birth, and welcome a comparatively good year. They can anticipate good fortune in life, career and other aspects.


Of course this is rubbish, but what about general characteristics of the 12 signs?

How about this for a scientific thought?

Everything in the Universe appears to be cyclic. It is reasonable to suppose that there is a finite range of characteristics that can be possessed by, for example, humans. These characteristics cycle on a 12 year basis, with smaller cycles within each year adding to the variety. These cycles have nothing to do with the influence of planets or any other ďastrological malarkeyĒ; they are as natural as the revolutions of anything in the Universe. Anything other than that is window dressing added by astrologers and charlatans.

Billís Law: What goes around, goes around again. smile
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#51869 - 04/29/14 09:26 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions ... [Re: Bill S.]
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Originally Posted By: Bill S.
... How about this for a scientific thought? Everything in the Universe appears to be cyclic.

It is reasonable to suppose that there is a finite range of characteristics ... as natural as the revolutions of anything in the Universe. Anything other than that is window dressing added by astrologers and charlatans.

Billís Law: What goes around, goes around again. smile
Makes sense to me, Bill. But--keeping mind that there are always psychological and pneumatological implications--sometimes, it takes a somatological kick to the head to make us really read the STARS: cool
Which begs many questions about the following unusual story. I heard it from a recent episode on radio CBC.ca/thecurrent.
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Jason Padgett's obsession with mathematics came to him suddenly and violently, when muggers attacked him outside a bar a dozen years ago.
Their kicks and punches caused serious brain injuries. But the college dropout says nature's patterns suddenly became visible to him -- in fact, they won't let him go.
He survived to write the book, STRUCK BY GENIUS.

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/201...ruck-by-genius/



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#51879 - 04/30/14 03:40 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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A REVISED SUMMARY OF PNEUMATOLOGY--PART OF THE PHILOSOPHY OF RELIGION--FROM WIKI
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Pneumatology is the study of spiritual beings and phenomena, especially the spiritual aspect of human beings and the interactions between humans and God. Pneuma (PNEUMA) is Greek for "air, wind and/or breath of life", which metaphorically describes a non-material being or influence.

Pneumatology as the study of the spirit is to be distinguished from psychology, the study of the soul. As many religious denominations do not distinguish between soul and spirit, this has been somewhat problematic. In general, the ABCs of psychology are the study of cognition, affect, and connation, or to put it into words more generally recognized, thinking, feeling, and willing.

Thoughts, feelings, and acts of will (motivations, intentions, wilfulness) is what fills the psyche, but when psychology is done what is primarily of interest is the actual nature of the collecting, organizing, and clarifying of thoughts, that is, thinking characterized as cogent, logical, run-on, disconnected, tautologous, symbolic, or psychotic (schizophrenic).

Similarly feelings may be brought to the center of attention, but in psychology what is of interest is the actual nature of feeling itself, characterized as intuitive, sympathetic, empathic, inappropriate, projective, easily changeable, fixed and not easily changeable, or psychotic (manic-depressive).

Also, a person's will acts may be considered, but in psychology it is the actual nature of using the will that is of interest, characterized as unconscious, weak, self-serving, magnanimous, informed by thinking and feeling, overly influential over thinking and feeling, or psychotic (psychopathic or sociopathic).

In contradistinction to psychology, pneumatology involves the study of the spirit (German, Geist (ghost), Greek pneuma). In general, the ABCs of pneumatology are the study of technique (craftsmanship, German, Kunst, Greek, techne), science (conceptualization of ideas, German Wissenshaft, Greek, episteme), poetry (inspiration, German, Einatmung, Greek, poises), belief (opinion, German, Glaube, Greek, doxa), and recognition (holding in mind, German, Erkenntnis, Greek, gnosis).
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In Christian theology
Main article: Pneumatology (Christianity)

In Christian theology pneumatology refers to the study of the Holy Spirit. The English word comes from two Greek words: (pneuma, spirit) and; (logos, teaching about).

Pneumatology would normally include study of the person of the Holy Spirit, and the works of the Holy Spirit. This latter category would normally include Christian teachings on new birth, spiritual gifts (charismata), Spirit-baptism, sanctification, the inspiration of prophets, and the indwelling of the Holy Trinity (which in itself covers many different aspects).

Different Christian denominations have different theological approaches.


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#51902 - 05/04/14 02:48 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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I decided to respond to the rather obsessive mind of the rev. here on the philosophy or religions page since he has insisted in invading the science forum "why is mucury used in vaccines" with more religious opinion and personal history in order to gain the attention he fails to get here on a site that has almost 8 million visits without anyone who wishes to respond to his need for attention.
Being that he has taken to preach the personal gospel of LGKing opinion and belief in other forum topics I chose to bring the [there] off topic subject here, where it is more appropriately labeled as a not quite scientific subject.., only because it rallies itself around the reverend and not so much around mainstream religion or spiritual belief. The reverend sort of stands outside of it all hoping to glorify himself as an independant Messiah with qualities far and above those of normal religion, and the idea of God as it has been so stripped of its original meanings, by giving the word God a special meaning (ala king) just like all the other mainstream religions have.
Originally Posted By: Revlgking
I repeat:
ad nauseam..
Originally Posted By: Revlgking
My theology, unitheism, is a collection of my opinions and my beliefs--
Boy howdy...




Originally Posted By: Revlgking

Question: Can you think of any religion which has never imposed itself, its sacred literature--its Book, Bible, Koran, its teachings and the like, on others?

Of course.. Any and all of them.
Religion in and of itself is a collection of opinions and beliefs.

They (religions) are in and of themselves, non-invasive. Some may take offense to another's beliefs and opinions, but it is not the beliefs or opinions of others that cause any psychological turmoil in any individual. Rather it is the inability of the individual to make any room for anything other than their own belief that creates any psychological conflict.

For the religionist, its is only when the individual feels the need to find validation with others, that religious opinion becomes the sword of truth for the believer. Then it is repeatedly wielded into the verbiage of every conversation. Without outside confirmation, all beliefs and opinions are isolated within the fragile castle walls of the mind dependent on belief and opinion.

As the reverend put it.
Originally Posted By: Revlgking
a collection of my opinions and my beliefs-- inspire me to live


Oddly enough this raises an interesting idea and a question.

That which gave the religionst life in the beginning, often escapes the mind, and is slowly replaced with the conditioning of opinion and beliefs drawn out of religion, science and politics, which then gives meaning to life as it is perceived thru the beliefs and opinions of others.

In the teachings of spiritual science (that which leads to direct observation and experience of spirit), which is the underlying foundation of all religions, being that they stem from the enlightened individuals who spoke from direct experience of that which gives life to everything, rather than the beliefs or opinions of followers in the observances of the masters of spiritual science, (standing outside and offering opinion and beliefs of the enlightened)... i.e. Christ Jesus (Christianity) Siddharta (Gautama Buddha and Buddhism) Muhammad (Islam or the Muslim religion) etc. etc.


How does the opinion and belief of something that is not experienced as the underlying reality, but rather propagated thru repetitious religious babbling ever to be anything other than empty words?
How does any opinion ever imprint the direct experience upon another, or lead another to direct experience of spirit, if the man standing at the podium has had no training to gain the direct experience and wisdom of that which gave him life?
Answer:
It can't.
Opinions can only be tossed into a pool of opinions to eventually lose itself in the pride and singularity of individualism and its need to isolate itself from any idea or opinion that does not fit into the personal lifestyle and idealism of that which is opined and designated as THAT, which has the qualities of the personal God.
That is philosophy.
The science, or proof is in the history of religion and how it fails humanity in bringing the world together in direct experience of God, and isolates God into opinion and belief, and into churches of definition and idealisms of the personal and or democratically derived God.
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#51908 - 05/04/14 03:13 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Ellis, Megastar from Australia. HELP! HELP! HELP! Your mind should be well rested, by now.

NOW, my soma, psyche & pneuma needs all the rest it can get.

WORSE STILL!!! A TROLL from outer space is trying to steal my THUNDER, and the attention that I SHOULD BE GETTING. cry
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#51909 - 05/04/14 03:48 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
A TROLL from outer space is trying to steal my THUNDER, and the attention that I SHOULD BE GETTING. cry

Part of the:
Originally Posted By: Revlgking
collection of my opinions and my beliefs-- inspire me to live
scenario.



Looking for a friend I see.
Hope you find, one. wink

Out of the eight million that have come to view this thread but don't stay, maybe one will find a will to defend your need for the attention. Maybe at least to take sides in your fight for self recognition by taking your religious stand against all naysayers and evil intruders who are not created by your G~’~D. cool
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#51912 - 05/04/14 07:23 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including ... [ Turner ] Jean's maiden name, which I used, FEBRUARY 2, 2007, to start the series
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OVER THE YEARS,
Quote:
MODERATORS, IMO, THE NOT QUITE SCIENCE FORUM HAS BEEN FOR ANYONE, INCLUDING ME, A GREAT ONE IN WHICH TO PRACTICE THE ART OF WRITING.

CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM I ENJOY, BUT KNOCKERS ...HMMM!
As expected, over the years, this thread, which has had its share of knockers--like long-gone DAM Morgan and others in the first few posts ... even recent TROLLs, like ???? [Sorry, ???? has no profile--too fearful, I suspect]

Notwithstanding all this, I have learned many things at SAGG and I have enjoyed the exercise ...

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SHE WAS CONSTRUCTIVE
The name Ellis comes to mind--a female teacher from Australia--We miss her constructively critical and yet helpful comments, and those of other great supporters of SAGG.

But, sad to say, Ms Ellis found the posts of ????, The TROLL, "MIND NUMBING" and nonconstructive.

They made her tired She made it clear that this was one of the main reasons why she left posting to SAGG.

READERS, here is what I do: Sure, with the help of the TOGGLE button, hoping to find at least a modicum of clarity of thought in the posts of ????, I take a peek ... Dam it, no clarity. All I see is a cloud of foggy BLAH!BLAH!BLAH--even when I am under attack.

However, as soon as I run into this crisis, I TOGGLE. Then ... very slowly ... I get off the road, where I sit and wait for the fog to clear.
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BTW, TAKE HEART (PNEUMA) and a deep breath.

HERE IS GOOD NEWS: THIS LINK, BELOW, is a printable and easily readable form of this thread.:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthr...amp;type=thread
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Meanwhile, I am sure it HAS BEEN NOTICED by many, including our moderators:

The BIGGEST challenge of this thread happens when we posters too often major in minors and specialize in BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! ... fog-making kind of posts, filled with mud-slinging, person-knocking and ad hominems attacks! SAD!

Such posts tells us a lot about the nature of the unfortunate, fear-filled, sad, jealous and ENVIOUS types who love to eat "sour grapes"--too afraid of setting up a personal thread.

Despite the destructive knockers--I think of the long-gone DAM Morgan, and others at that time--from the beginning in 2007, this thread began to grow, FAST. Amazingly so, and now it has nearly eight million, that is.

Yes, 8,000,000 hits. THANK G~’~D FOR READERS--with great readers, who needs knockers?



Edited by Revlgking (05/04/14 10:00 PM)
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#51917 - 05/05/14 02:31 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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Obviously you seem challenged by anyone who fails to take up the flag of truth (based on your opinion and belief).

Being that anyone who might test your interests becomes a knocker (whatever special term of endearment that has for you) I find great interest in your continuous need for validation from anyone who might find something believable within your world of fantasy.

I couldn't help but notice (in the private conversations I was invited to) the moderators took offense to your ignorance of others thoughts and opinions, and asked you to apologize for your sense of reason and what you tried to cover up as humor, that took liberties with those other ideas that didn't quite live up to your expectations (my validation I reckon, that I wasn't alone in wondering why such a man claiming to hold title and status might demand that those you engage with, surrender themselves to your opinions and beliefs through your ad hominem attacks).

Ramble on rev. (carefully).
Obviously someone has to care enough to give you the attention and acknowledgment you believe you deserve in the special world you live in. At least one of those 8 million could be giving you more than the cold shoulder of silence.

Hey I guess that's me! wink
And to think you try to ignore me... frown

Well... keep trying. Maybe some day you will actually find the will power to keep from responding to me (as you keep promising to ignore me) and creating my return to help keep you alive while you prepare (as you said earlier) for "The Fourth Dimension"... crazy

How does one do that by the way (speaking of blah blah blah)?

You have some experience and familiarity with that (4th dimension) in order to make preparations, or are you just letting go of any and all strings that are associated with the world around you in preparation, by making stuff up along the way (like your special acronym for your special G~’~D)?

You kind of fit the profile of those who find aging a challenge, making things up and losing touch with the world as others see and experience it. Have you ever asked your G~’~D why you draw such a vast amount of silence to your self proclaimed testimony to special opinion and belief?

WOW eight million who have nothing to say when coming to this thread... Gotta wonder how far they get into your special beliefs and opinions about you and your G~’~D before they abandon ship.
Good to see tho that you can keep your spirits up by assuming they actually read what you have repeated at least over 90% of this thread. One could hardly miss the biography, personal history and list of special opinions that comes about in every other post of yours.
Maybe that's the preparation you are making before heading out of the 3rd dimension and into the 4th..??

Trying to take what you can remember with you?
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#51920 - 05/05/14 04:53 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Originally Posted By: Tutor Turtle
...................................... Trying to take what you can remember with you?
????, I just lost my be-numbed mind and I do not even miss it. Please, do not waste your time trying to get my attention.


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