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#53016 - 09/15/14 12:11 PM Mathematics / Physics / Quantum theory and God
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Mathematics / Physics / Quantum theory and God / Gods.
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Long time ago Plato wrote:
" Mathematics is the language in which the gods speak to people."
/ Plato /
It means that religion without mathematical / physical background
can be fiction. It means that all different gods / religions must have one
common mathematical / physical basis.
It means that Brahman, Zeus, YHWH , God, Allah, . . . Supreme Creator,
the Supreme Being . . . and so on . . . . must know physical laws and
formulas to create Existence. It means that Brahman, Zeus, YHWH , God,
as the ONE (!) cannot create Universe without physical laws and formulas.
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Charles de Montesquieu wrote:
" Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spirit.
If triangles made a God they would give him three sides."
/ Charles de Montesquieu . Persian Letters, 1721 /
But if physicists make a God, they would give Him concrete
mathematical / physical parameters.
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Eddington wrote:
" The Reasons of a modern science give, maybe
the opportunity to make the conclusion
that the religion became acceptable
for sensible scientific mind, since 1927."
/ Arthur Stanley . Eddington /.
It means that from 1927 the modern science ( quantum theory )
can explain "religion" by math / physical laws and formulas.
It means that Quantum theory can explain not only the earthly
matters but the heavenly matters too and unite them together,
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" Realistically, . . . . Physically. . . . "
Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.
If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you,
you haven't understood it yet.
/ ― Niels Bohr /
If the idea that " The secret of God, Soul and Existence
is hidden in the theory of Vacuum and Light "
hasn't shocked you, you cannot understand the Quantum theory.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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P.S.
" The mathematics of QM is straightforward, but making the
connection between the mathematics and an intuitive picture
of the physical world is very hard"
/ Claude N. Cohen-Tannoudji . Nobel Prize in Physics 1997 /
Why? Because:
a) we don't know the reference frame of quantum theory
b) we don't know what quantum of light is.
The reference frame and quantum of light are the basis of
quantum theory all the rest is secondary.
And if the basis is unclear then the philosophy of physics is vague.
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#53020 - 09/15/14 09:38 PM Re: Mathematics / Physics / Quantum theory and God [Re: socratus]
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[quote]
Originally Posted By: socratus
Mathematics / Physics / Quantum theory and God / Gods.
=.
Long time ago Plato wrote:
" Mathematics is the language in which the gods speak to people."
/ Plato /

It means that religion without mathematical / physical background
can be fiction.

It means that all different gods / religions must have one
common mathematical / physical basis.
Socratus, thanks for introducing this excellent overview of "the gods" people, maths and the sciences. BTW, I just got back from a week's visit to relatives of Jean who live near Fredericton, NB, on the Saint John River. For this time of year, the weather was excellent, with lots of sun. 'god' was with us and Generated, Organized & Delivered all the Golden Opportunities and Delightful things we needed to be ... smile laugh & cool

As I get time, I will tell SAGG readers about a great book I've been reading: INTEGRAL CHRISTIANITY--The Spirit's Call to Evolve. It's by the RevPaul R. Smith. He wrote it for http://www.paragonhouse.com
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#53037 - 09/17/14 06:17 AM Re: Mathematics / Physics / Quantum theory and God [Re: socratus]
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The ancient " Veda" or " Hermeticism " or . . .
Plato's "ideas", Kant's " thing- in- itself ", Leibniz's "monades" . . .:
" There is nothing new under the Sun." Old time - old ideas.
#
Today we have Quantum Mechanic.
On the basis of Quantum Mechanic we have genius scientific
technology but wrong / abstract philosophy of Quantum Theory.
Why?
First.
Quantum Mechanic has no Reference Frame.
Second.
Quantum Mechanic has one Hero
- it is Quantum of light / Photon / Electron.
And Einstein wrote about quantum of light / photon :
" All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta? '
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken."
Third.
The simple quantum particle - electron has six ( 6 ) formulas:
+E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2 , E=h*f , e^2=ah*c,
E=-me^4/2h*^2= -13,6eV and E= ∞.
Nobody knows "why?"
Nobody knows their correlation, how to unite them together.
=.
So, we have a wide field for speculations and it is possible to say:
The secret of God, Soul and Existence is hidden
in two (2) theories:
a) " Quantum theory of Vacuum " and
b) " The theory of Quantum of Light / Photon / Electron ".
But of course this speculative opinion must be tested by physicists
and the test is not simple.
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P.S.
One thing I have learned in a long life:
that all our science, measured against reality,
is primitive and childlike
and yet it is the most precious thing we have.
/ Einstein /
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#53038 - 09/17/14 06:45 AM Re: Mathematics / Physics / Quantum theory and God [Re: socratus]
Orac Offline
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Registered: 05/20/11
Posts: 2819
Loc: Currently Illinois, USA
Originally Posted By: socratus

First.
Quantum Mechanic has no Reference Frame.

!!!!! WRONG !!!!!


You could at least do some reading before posting rubbish that is wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_reference_frame

Quote:
A quantum reference frame is a reference frame which is treated quantum theoretically. It, like any reference frame, is a physical system which defines physical quantities, such as time, position, momentum, spin, and so on.


Quote:
Despite different name and treatment, a quantum reference frame still share much of the notions with a reference frame in classical mechanics. It is still defined with the same definition. It is still always associated to some physical system. And it is still always relational.


Want to try and start again?


Edited by Orac (09/17/14 06:46 AM)
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