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#50520 - 12/13/13 08:33 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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#51419 - 03/26/14 07:48 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
Many People take what is commonly call the Holy Bible as the literal word of God--a supernatural and human like being who was, is and will always be.

People who literally believe that the God of the OT and/or the person-like God of traditional theism--as mentioned in the NT and in our regular prayers--are probably already stoned laugh

Now, I hope, you will probably understand why it is that I insist that we forget about the objective-kind of God, one with dimensions, and start thinking about GØD in a new way. smile
Well, well, well! A note from the past (2007? I think). I just came across it while doing some browsing.

At that time I was already aware of the Ø (null)--a special kind of 0, zero--but, until recently, I was not aware of another useful symbol, the tilde[~]. Let's explore its value.

The tilde? Look for it on the upper-left row of keys with numbers. It is the first key, just above Tab & below Esc--in the upper case and above ` . It is on my PC keyboard, how about yours? Is it, I wonder, on all PCs, now--now check yours and let me know, OK!

In literature, there are all kinds of acronyms--for example, UNESCO (United Nations, Educational, Scientific, and Cultural, Organization). They are words formed from the first letters of other words. Other examples are:

INRI (Latin for Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews) See John 19: 19-22. It is about Pilate's order that words be written above the head of Jesus on the cross.

Other examples: ASAP--as soon as possible; ones we all know: CBC, CNN, PBS, NBC, USA ... all are tildes, or titles. In maths, [~] is used to indicate approximation, process and progression.

At the time, the point I had in mind and was trying to make, then and now, is this:

Let us not be too stubborn or afraid to admit that atheists make a valid point when they say that there is no material evidence that gods, or any one of a number of so-called one true God, and saintly helpers like Santa, numerous other saints, angels and the like, exist as three-dimensional beings.

Just as there is such a thing as a mythic Santa based on a kind of reality, IMO, there can also be a mythic God based on a kind of reality. Myth is not just a pack of lies. But to believe that "the mythic Santa" exists as a reality, today, is to believe in an illusion.

This is the basis of the book, The GOD Delusion, by the famous militant atheist, Richard Dawkins, 2008, which I have read and have underlined--questions welcomed. [More on this important theme] Believe me, there are options other than theism and atheism: cool
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#51420 - 03/26/14 07:53 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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People who believe, literally, in the God of the OT and/or the God of traditional theism are probably already stoned. laugh

Now, I hope, you will probably understand why I insist that we forget about 'God' and start thinking about a new way of thinking about GØD. smile ===================================
Well, well, well! A note from the past (2007?). I came across the above it while doing some browsing.

At that time I was aware of the Ø--a special kind of 0, zero--the null, but I was not aware of [~], the tilde--in the upper case on my PC key board, how about yours? Is it, I wonder, on all PCs, now--now check yours and let me know, OK! In literature, and acronym, like CBC, NBC, USA, are tildes, or titles. In math, it is used to indicate process and progression.

At the time, the point I had in mind and was trying to make, then and now, is this:

Let us not be too stubborn or afraid to admit that atheists make a valid point when they say that there is no material evidence that gods, or any one of a number of so-called one true God, and saintly helpers like Santa, numerous other saints, angels and the like, exist as three-dimensional beings.

Just as there is such a thing as a mythic Santa based on a kind of reality, IMO, there can also be a mythic God based on a kind of reality. Myth is not just a pack of lies. But to believe that " the mythic Santa" exists as a reality, today is to believe in an illusion.

This is the basis of the book, The GOD Delusion, by the famous militant atheist, Richard Dawkins, 2008, which I have read and have underlined--questions welcomed. [More on this important theme] Believe me, there are options other than theism and atheism: cool


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#51423 - 03/26/14 08:42 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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And thus continueth the Reverend-Turtle thread upon its tortuous path, in its quest for the infinite. Amen.
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#51424 - 03/26/14 10:14 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Bill S.]
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Infinite quest for attention and self validation maybe... wink

Let's see.... how many ways can one try to elaborate upon a personal belief system to gain attention, thru the use of acronyms and self proclaimed heroism....?
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#51442 - 03/27/14 09:26 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Bill S.]
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And thus continueth the Reverend-Turtle thread upon its tortuous path, in its quest for the infinite. Amen.
Hey, Bill S! Of course smirk Thanks for noticing TT--the wanna-be Teacher Turtle, who obviously enjoys and cannot resist being along with us on this attention-getting path,"tortuous" though it be.

No pain, no gain, eh! BTW, many on FBook, wondercafe.ca and Twitter, etc., are now in tune. cool


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#51443 - 03/27/14 10:53 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
Thanks for noticing TT--the wanna-be Teacher Turtle, who obviously enjoys and cannot resist being along with us on this attention-getting path,"tortuous" though it be.


Couldn't resist elaborating on the nature of the approach...
and you're welcome, you don't get the attention otherwise.


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#51445 - 03/28/14 12:05 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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A positive dialogue: Theists, Agnostics & Atheists
IN THE DIALOGUE, below, MISHEN IS ONE TO WHOM I WRITE At this point, I assume that Mishen, is a positive person--the helpful kind.

READERS: Refresh my memory--at 84, it will help me:
Remind me: Where do you stand, philosophically, or THEOLOGICALLY?

BTW, What do you think of MILITANT ATHEISM?
May I ask: Have you read the book, FUTURE OF AN ILLUSION, by Sigmund Freud?

A PERSONAL NOTE: Check out: Dr. Zoltan Rona MD, MSc (biochemistry),--a specialist in complementary medicine and aging--I first met him in 1990...Quite a story! Stay tuned.

For some time now, Jean and I (both 84/85) have been patients of Zoltan, a friend. Your questions about our progress are welcome. Here is ZR's link:

http://www.mydoctor.ca/user/ASP/officeInfo.asp?id=2509
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BTW, Mishen, on my way to being ordained to the ministry of the United Church of Canada (1953), I studied enough Biblical Hebrew to be able to read the Hebrew Bible, slowly ... VERY slowly... With the help of my library and the NET, I still enjoy finding the root-meaning of Hebrew words. I also like concocting any useful acronyms that point to Divine Being in a mature way.

Why? Because this avoids idolatry--that is, the making of 'god' in our own image, or into a supernatural being, a human-like being, who exists up there, or out there. No wonder many not-so-positive atheists mock the childish theology of many of us.
This is why I like using acronyms like, G.0.D (note the zero) when needed. As in Genesis, I use it as a symbol for "In the beginning...", there was goodness and design.

I also like using the acronym, G.Õ.D (note the ~ tilde). It stands for Divine Being--similar to the way Jewish writers--writing in English--use, even today. They use the symbol, G-d, to avoid making idolatrous images in the mind...

ABOUT THE SO-CALLED BIG BANG--a term invented (1927) by the RC Belgium priest-astronomer, Abbe LeMaitre

I like to think of 'god' as the source of what I like to call the Great and Growing Omni Dazzlement (LET THERE BE LIGHT ...)--an expression which I prefer to use, rather than calling it the BIG-bang.

IMO, we now have all that is Good Optimistic & Delightful. No wonder, John, in 1 John 1:5 says "God is light"; and in 1 John 4:7-21 says that, "God is love".


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#51455 - 03/29/14 12:36 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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ABOUT THE SO-CALLED BIG BANG--a term invented (1927) by the RC Belgium priest-astronomer, Abbe LeMaitre


It was Fred Hoyle who coined the name Big Bang as a term of derision. I think George Lemaitre called it the primeval atom.
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#51456 - 03/29/14 02:04 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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Lemaitre is rightly credited with the proposal of what became the Big Bang theory, and the Hubble constant should probably be called the Lemaitre-Hubble constant, but let's give credit where credit is due. Robert Grosseteste was 700 years ahead of his fellow cleric.

It seems that Robert Grosseteste was a man ahead of his time. He was a theologian and philosopher who, in a recently translated Latin text, written in 1225, proposed that the Universe started with a flash of light. In those days Aristotle’s idea that the Universe was composed of a number of concentric, Earth centred, crystal spheres was gaining popularity; and this is how Grosseteste saw things. However, when modern mathematics and physics were applied to his original text, it appeared that he had foreshadowed not only the Big Bang, but also multiple universes.
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#51513 - 03/31/14 10:10 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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It seems that people with child-like imaginations, theologians, artists--especially science fiction writers--philosophers, and the like, always get to the top of the mountain first, eh!
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#51515 - 03/31/14 11:41 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
It seems that people with child-like imaginations, theologians, artists--especially science fiction writers--philosophers, and the like, always get to the top of the mountain first, eh!
Which mountain is that, and do they also dig their graves upon that mountain top?
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#51521 - 04/01/14 11:41 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Bill S.]
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Lemaitre [a Belgian-RC priest] is rightly credited with the proposal of what became the Big Bang theory, and the Hubble constant should probably be called the Lemaitre-Hubble constant, but let's give credit where credit is due to:
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Robert Grosseteste
--First published Tue Jul 10, 2007; substantive revision Wed May 8, 2013 --
Robert Grosseteste (ca. 1168–1253), Bishop of Lincoln from 1235 to 1253, was one of the most prominent and remarkable figures in thirteenth-century English intellectual life. He was a man of many talents: commentator and translator of Aristotle and Greek patristic thinkers, philosopher, theologian, and student of nature. H Robert Grosseteste was 700 years ahead of his fellow cleric.
Bill S, NO BS: Thanks for your excellent comment about Lemaitre and Grosseteste [BTW, Grosseteste was a name that came up, often, in an extensive series of seminars, which I attended years ago. They were held at Boston U, and the seminars were led by Boston U & Harvard profs. That was in (1954-1955) when I did a masters in THE HISTORY OF IDEAS. Your comment is an excellent contribution to this thread.

For anyone who wants to know more about this great and good minister, check out this quote from http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/grosseteste/#Lif
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As has been suggested, it seems that Robert Grosseteste was a man ahead of his time. He was a theologian and philosopher who, in a recently translated Latin text, written in 1225, proposed that the Universe started, not with a BIG Bang, but with a flash of light.

In those days Aristotle’s idea that the Universe was composed of a number of concentric, Earth centred, crystal spheres was gaining popularity; and this is how Grosseteste saw things. However, when modern mathematics and physics were applied to his original text, it appeared that he had foreshadowed not only the Big Bang, but also multiple universes.
Now note the change I have made to my signature--exactly 100 digits.
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#51533 - 04/02/14 10:27 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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Fascinating link, Rev, but are you sure that's where your quote came from? smile
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#51534 - 04/03/14 01:45 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Bill S.]
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Fascinating link, Rev, but are you sure that's where your quote came from? smile
Bill S: To which quote of mine do you refer?

Meanwhile, take Note: Here is the Stanford link--very in depth--that I use, often: http://plato.stanford.edu/

Like I always do on Wikipedia, I use the search option.

http://plato.stanford.edu/search/searcher.py?query=Robert+Grossesteste





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#51549 - 04/03/14 10:59 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Revlgking]
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Bill S: To which quote of mine do you refer?


The final quote in your last post looked as though it came from the link that was with it.
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#51746 - 04/18/14 08:22 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Bill S.]
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Bill S: To which quote of mine do you refer?


The final quote in your last post looked as though it came from the link that was with it.

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Bill S: Thanks!

BTW, I also ask: do you recall that I--to you, or to anyone--ever spoke of 'god' or 'God' as, "your G~Õ~D" and/or "my G~Õ~D"?

G~Õ~D, in my opinion, is simply an acronym and not the name of a person. I coined the acronym about a year ago, short form for that which I believe IS the Total and expanding COSMOS--beginning with the Great Omni Dazzling FLASH OF LIGHT--in other words, reality in, through and beyond all physical dimensions.

Is what I just said, CLEAR to you? If not, any questions?
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#51747 - 04/18/14 09:07 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, [Re: DA Morgan]
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MEMORIES OF TIMES PAST In 2007, with some coaching from me, my son, Turner--who registered: 07:40 PM, Fri Feb 02 2007--and I laid plans as to the first topic.

The first thread "we" posted was titled,"Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including,..."

Turner wrote:
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Not much room here for naming a real title that makes sense to me. Why the limitation, I wonder?" This was the question on the minds of both Turner and of me.

Mods, now I ask: are you listening?

In other forums there seems to be lots of room to spell out a complete title. We both wondered: How come the rationing here?
Then, to start with, we commented:

What we would like to know from our readers is this: What is your philosophy of life and religion--that is, your philosophy of theism, agnosticism. atheism, or whatever?

Regarding this topic, I (Turner's dad) said this to him: meanwhile, I may just choose to just sit back and read for awhile. But I WILL read, and listen, carefully. Meanwhile, I will add to the current thread and/or other threads, as it is appropriate for me to do so, OK?

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It seems that, without even thinking about what he had in mind, DA Morgan asked all, including the mods,
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Why are you feeding the troll? [Never said who he had in mind] He has no interest in science? He has no interest in any serious discussion.
How off track some of us so-called human beings can get when we fail to THINK well, eh?

So DAM, ... RANTED and ranted on and on,
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He--[I assume DAM was referring to me]--is just here to hijack Kate's site and to sell his brand of snake oil. Just another charlatan with a collar.
Sounds like cynicism, to me, and to you? So I said, DA Morgan, may I ask:
1. Are you still in the land of the living? If so,
2. how well do you really know me?
3. well enough to rant at me?

If so, wherever you are! Or even if you are passed on, I will you Agape! And I do not have to like you as friend, to do this, do I?



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#51748 - 04/18/14 09:25 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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FROM THE PAST
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Just checking to see if some of the old posters are still with us. Where have all the "old folks" gone? cool question. Ellis--our friendly teacher and positive atheist from Australia, where are you? laugh

With help, I started this thread, way back, using, with permission, the name, 'Turner'--the name of my son and Jean's maiden name. smile
Then, BTW, we had no idea this thread would soon get to nearly 8,000,000 hits.
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From here--Turner (December 28, 1958) is now 55. Catherine (born April 1, 1956) is 58. Now we to the present, OK!

From Now, let's ALL practice AGAPE and have fun, OK?


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#51750 - 04/19/14 03:40 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including, [Re: Turner]
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Repeat and repeat again, and again and again and again ad infinitum...
Still hoping to find someone who will actually find an interest in you repeating yourself rev.?
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