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#51637 - 04/10/14 02:27 AM 19 yrs of BLM violations, enforcement decision
paul Offline

Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
19 yrs of BLM violations, enforcement decision finally made !

1) 5 years is the Federal limitation.

2) the maximum fine provided is only $500.00 (from what I can find)

§4170.2-1 Penal provisions under the Taylor Grazing Act.
Under section 2 of the Act any person who willfully commits an act prohibited under §4140.1(b), or who willfully violates approved special rules and regulations is punishable by a fine of not more than $500.


3) the Fed Govt has probably already spent several million.

why not just give this man free use of the land that he has already been using at no cost for 19 years and its free use was probably a large part of what made America what it once was for decades or centuries before the BLM folk started charging for its use.

his cattle provide fertilizer for the plants , ground aeration
for the plants , and unless each of his cows also has a calf
he cant be charged for just the cow.

the BLM page clearly states the following

Federal Grazing Fee

The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2014 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2013.


this could actually lead to a skirmish between any enforcement
officials and the militia organizations who have vowed to
protect this man and his property.

3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.

#51653 - 04/11/14 04:11 PM Re: 19 yrs of BLM violations, enforcement decision [Re: paul]
paul Offline

Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
this man and his ancestors have been grazing their cattle on
this land since the 1870's !!!

Nevada didn't become a state until 1864 , Im going to
guess that this mans ancestors played a very important role
in the establishment of and the economic development of the
State of Nevada.

when the BLM gained access to these lands Im certain there were provisions made for the public who were currently using the lands.

in that all current permits , leases , agreements , contracts
that allow the public to use the land at the time of the
acquisition of the land by the BLM would remain in place and would not be dishonored by the BLM.

The BLM’s multiple-use mission, set forth in the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, mandates that we manage public land resources for a variety of uses, such as energy development, livestock grazing, recreation, and timber harvesting


43 U.S. Code § 1769 - Existing right-of-way or right-of-use unaffected; exceptions; rights-of-way for railroad and appurtenant communication facilities; applicability of existing terms and conditions

(a) Nothing in this subchapter shall have the effect of terminating any right-of-way or right-of-use heretofore issued, granted, or permitted. However, with the consent of the holder thereof, the Secretary concerned may cancel such a right-of-way or right-of-use and in its stead issue a right-of-way pursuant to the provisions of this subchapter.

from what I understand this man has not consented , he is
the last man standing who has not consented.

his right of way is not and never will be affected by the
Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 unless he

he cannot be charged with a violation because he never
gave his consent therefore he does not fall under the
jurisdiction or laws or regulations set fourth in the bill.

others have consented and they are affected by the bill.

Title 43 U.S. Code.


43 U.S. Code § 315 - Grazing districts; establishment; restrictions; prior rights; rights-of-way; hearing and notice; hunting or fishing rights

Whenever any grazing district is established pursuant to this subchapter, the Secretary shall grant to owners of land adjacent to such district, upon application of any such owner, such rights-of-way over the lands included in such district for stock-driving purposes as may be necessary for the convenient access by any such owner to marketing facilities or to lands not within such district owned by such person or upon which such person has stock-grazing rights.

grant = gift

I suppose the next thing that needs to be established is
whether the land in question is located within the jurisdiction boundaries of the U.S. Code.

is the State of Nevada located within the boundaries of
the United States of America?

3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.

#51654 - 04/11/14 05:57 PM Re: 19 yrs of BLM violations, enforcement decision [Re: paul]
paul Offline

Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136

I should have thought about it in the correct manner.

its not about the permits.
its not about anything that has anything to do with the
BLM and its mission.

its about forcing this man to sell his land so that the land
can be resold for many millions of dollars due to its underground water content!!!

the video says that a defense company wants to build on the

you should listen to this video first to set the mood and
to gain insight into the historic value of water
cool clear water ....water...

if the video is still there of course.
currently its not there or there are so many people watching it that its not responding.

3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.

#51700 - 04/14/14 05:00 PM Re: 19 yrs of BLM violations, enforcement decision [Re: paul]
paul Offline

Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
AS NOT SEEN ON TV , you wont see this on TV.

because it shows the People getting results from protesting
against tyranny.

Im certain that if todays mainline news agencies were around
before 1776 during the first skirmishes and sabre rattling
and protest that led up to the revolt and first shots fired
in the American Revolution which resulted in the Liberties
that these People are protecting they also would not have covered those events as they did not cover this event.

3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.

#51703 - 04/15/14 12:51 AM Re: 19 yrs of BLM violations, enforcement decision [Re: paul]
Amaranth Rose II Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 962
Loc: Southeast Nebraska, USA
I don't think this rule of anarchy is going to do any good for our country. If impromptu gatherings of armed people are going to support people who are not obeying the law, it will lead to the neutering of the federal government. That gathering of people was in contradiction to the laws of the United States, and it has set a dangerous precedent. If the laws cannot be enforced the government may as well not exist. What those people were doing was unlawful, and yet they are being made out to be heroes. Mr Bundy does not have the right to ignore the laws of the United States at his whim. The fact that he has been doing so for years only adds to the wrong he and his friends are doing. Usurping the laws of the land is sedition, if not treason. I predict that nothing good will come of this. If this continues, I fear for the union.
If you don't care for reality, just wait a while; another will be along shortly. --A Rose

#51711 - 04/15/14 06:30 PM Re: 19 yrs of BLM violations, enforcement decision [Re: Amaranth Rose II]
paul Offline

Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136

this entire charade involving Mr Bundy is nothing more than
a illegal land grab that involves politicians doing favors for
industry , favors that already include millions of dollars of tax payers
money spent to attempt to remove Mr Bundy , and further contracts
between a agency of the United States and
industry that is to be paid for by industry , if you step back and look at
this charade and the agencies and people involved it resembles organized crime
more than government of the people of a nation.

if you or anyone else believe that this type of criminal acquisition of peoples property
and or attempts at the / any unconstitutional removal of peoples rights as U.S. Citizens
by or through any legislation , policy or bill written
within the laws of the United States of America is legal
then procedures to pursue Mr Bundy in a court of law for the
criminal act involved should be pursued , the only recourse that any entity pursuing Mr Bundy would have would be
the refusal of Mr Bundy to concede his rights as a land owner whos land is adjacent to the lands managed by the BLM.

it is not illegal for Mr Bundy to refuse to concede his rights as a U.S. Citizen to the BLM.

you speak of fear for the union , if this type of practice
continues there will be no union to fear for , there will
only be criminals having there way with the Citizens of the
United States and their property for personal monetary gain.

3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.


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