Science a GoGo's Home Page Forums General Discussion Physics Forum Ultra fast camera I asked MIT abot help ...

MIT new ultra fast camera
http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/

http://youtu.be/9RbLLYCiyGE

I asked about help in my test

Laser -----10 meters -------- wall

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..............30km/s = 30 000 000 mm/s

I made in home test 8x slower movie
http://youtu.be/toUzglQZmyw 100% speed

http://youtu.be/YTTth3wgh_U 12% speed ( other day )

Real chalange for new MIT camera

Michelson Morley 3D

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51346#Post51346

LIGO
http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51368


I HOPE THAT ABOVE CAMERA WILL SHOW EVIDENCE
THAT WILL CONFIRM MY TESTS

BR Maciej Marosz
http://tesla4.blogspot.com

Let me tell you their response

"We don't do stupid"

Until you take the time to work out what is wrong with your experiment I fear you are forever going to be laughed at.

Hint: In your video and posts you keep saying "light does not move in a flat straight line but some sort of 3D wave" ... trivially wrong you are trying to ignore the concept of a photon !!!!!

The comedy that escapes your thick skull is that in many experiments you use a laser which can only exist because of photons ... the bitter irony

I had replay from person who work in MIT
I can not public this what contain e-mail but nobody told that my method is wrong ... one day I will show you mail .. You will understand ...

Lets back to forum give me Your version (below test)

ORAC I WAIT HERE FOR YOU REPLAY PLEASE SHOW ME HOW IT WILL BE .... after all I will buy You beer ... and sent to adress with flowers for your women

Please Use CONSTANT LIGHT's source !!!

Will Marosz see light strted by Orac ?

Importatn !!! Rocket's wall not reflect light )
Inside rocket and out side Vacuum
Orac is using 1 Tera WATTS laser ( huge power ! )


...........................^
...........................^
...........................^
........................Rocket

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Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------

...........................p3
............................
............................
...........................p2
............................
............................
...........................p1

Rocket was in point p1..p2..p3........
Rocket not accelerate : p1..p2 = p3..p2

Motion respect to point P1 = 30 km/s

Rocket wide = 300 000 km light that You started need 1 sec
Rocket High = 2 metres


YOU NOT LIKE USE CALCULATORE BELOW THE SAME ROCKET

( Stationary rocket zero motion )
Question is the same

Will Marosz see light strted by Orac ?

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Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------


ORAC I WAIT HERE FOR YOU REPLAY

C = 300 000 km/s Respect to Orac and Respect to Marosz
and respect to Rocket's Walls ( floore and ceiling and left and right - on above drawing we see only two walls)


Ok what will be if rocket Long = 300 meters ? 3 meters ?

Ok to help You with more precission understand Relativity I will give You perfect tool STARS



star1

star 2 color:#FFFFFF]..........................[/color]star3 .........................star4

.........................30 km/s respect to point P1
.........................^
.........................^
.........................^
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Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
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Einstein like describe motion respect to other objects

Orac exist in the universe stars around above rocket

Please show me star but
respect to this star Marosz MUST REGISTER
ENERGY( rocket is moving 30 km/s )

observation point can change fact that Marosz will not register Energy started by Orac ?

WE CAN REVERSE SITUATION


star1

star 2 color:#FFFFFF]..........................[/color]star3 .........................star4


startionary rocket
----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
----------------------------------------------------------

Exist Star ? - respect to this star Marosz will never register energy started by Orac ?

Stars are Important ? or C speed and Motion respect to point where body was in Past ?

For More precission Study
please evaluate situation A and B

Orac turn on / off light 0,5 sec

Orac turn on / off light 0,05 sec



Not Exist C+ 30 km/s ! light it is not mass M inside Car that is moving and when You push brake fall LIGHT RISE ISOTROPY 3D C speed RESPECT TO POINT WHERE STARTED

I'm moving respect to stars or respect to point where i was in past and where I started signal



In my picture man keeping in hand box full of VACCUM



What You think Sensors inside box ( box's wall ) are able measure that 3D balls are not moving with planet ?

MORE HARD TO IMAGINE IS PARALLEL SITUTION
we Must add only few word about Inverse Square Law, Turn on/off time , source's power ,

Marosz will see light problem is How Bright Light ( quality of the signal )

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Orac...................300 000 km ...........Marosz >>> 30 km/s
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ABOVE PROBLEM (but not so strange ) use many photographers
( How big Eyes has Got Marosz ( sensitive in manual camera )
How long time need his Eyes to convert Energy ( time in camera ) Colour of the light ? for example Green people see better ! )

Photocamera = Magic Unreal and Untouchtable Unfinished story that started in OLD GREECE ( Leonardo Only used Camera Obscura not Invented !!! )

time, sensitive , colour filtre , distance , power ,angle .. colour intensity , light intensity ... Magic



I forgot about one more nice effect

What a pile of rubbish lets face it you are a stupid troll or the dumbest pollack on the planet ... take your pick.

You can't build an argument on a stupid foundation and the fact you won't face or discuss what a photon is shows you stupidity.

The MIT people or indeed any scientist knows whats wrong with your garbage I have seen at least 50 people tell you and I know for a fact that MIT would have answered the same as everyone else.

So which are you a troll or dropkick stupid.

PS: If you really are interested in the correct answer in your thought experiments replace your light with a high powered rifle which fires a bullet which is much more in keeping with a photon of light ... now try answering many of your own questions, it really isn't that hard. In many of your examples observers in the rocket or different spots will never see the light a fact you fail to realize yet you play with laser beams and so you must realize how hard they are to see side on.

Will Marosz see light started by Orac ?

Importatn !!!
1 Rocket's wall not reflect light )
2 Inside rocket and out side Vacuum
3 Orac is using 1 Tera WATTS laser ( huge power ! )

...........................^
...........................^
...........................^
...........................30 km/s (respect to point p1 )

...........................Flat Rocket
----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------

...........................P3
............................
............................
...........................P2
............................
............................
...........................P1

Rocket was in point p1..p2..p3........
Rocket not accelerate : p1..p2 = p3..p2
In space not exist friction ( flat shape is not problem)
In space not exist gravitation rocket keeps geometry during test

Motion respect to point P1 = 30 km/s
P1 - rocket was in that point in past

Rocket wide = 300 000 km light that You started need 1 sec
Rocket High = 2 metres

Will Marosz see light strted by Orac ?

ORAC please not try Imagine what about my test told
people from MIT ( as I told You I can not public mail )

Do You have Your Own Opinion ore You don't know or You
fear that we can have many FUN here ...:) !!!

Marosz (Me about above )
it is impossible Marosz can not register Light ( Energy ) if rocket is moving in space respect to point we rocket was
( 30 km/s ) Marosz inside stationary rocket will see light without any problem !!!

This what will register Mr Marosz and Absolute motion has strong relation !!!
Inside rocket we use absolute C speed so motion of the rocket is also absolute.

Above fact can not be changed by any stars and observer that is looking from Star to rocket where is Marosz and Orac.

Energy exist or not Exist and is not relative


ORAC - If You Are to weak to use Your Name ... small help as I remeber my daughter ( 5 yo ) like use other people

In Your opinion people from MIT would say ... :):):)

and Marosz .... it is ..... YEEEES PLEASE NOT READ HIS POST
that idiot is more smarter than ME and Einstein
I will not play with him ... his TOY I not like him ( cry cry cry ... )

I Understand That Boy not Grown Up so fast but people who
support Einstein are OLD .. What is going on
HAWKING told that not exit Black Holes ... Good after so many years Dream and Imagination


p1..p2..p3...p4...Earth >>>motion

You Can Call Marosz like You want
You can cry like small bayby
You will not stop the Earth

Each Body in the universe has got own special motion

Mr Mach
( gravitation = glue for all masses ) please push small mass
m on table in your room . Universe will feel this not at one time ( Inverse square Law + Gravitation propagation speed )

As I said replace the light with a bullet moving at c will Orac shoot Marosz?

If you want I am willing to do the test and show you the result ... Marosz life expectancy is 1 second

Light and the bullet both have finite speeds and if we assume no gravity for the bullet both will behave exactly the same. It's not that hard most older school children can do it, can Marosz learn to be as smart as a school kid

The deeper question you really need to think about is why are you expecting light to behave any different to a bullet, in other words why would you ever expect it to miss you? No matter how fast your rocket is moving the bullet/light is going to fly in a dead straight line to the rocket and kill you there is nothing tricky here.

ORAC very good ! now You speak not other !


Below consequences of Your test and results !


Resoult A Marosz will see light
Resoult B Marosz will not see light


consequences A - LIGHT behaves similar like traditional mass. Exist C+ 30 km/s !!!


...........................^
...........................^
...........................^
...........................30 km/s

----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------

...........................p3
...........................
...........................
...........................p2
...........................
...........................
...........................p1


We can exceed the Light's speed

30 km/s
^
^
^
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C speed


consequences B
NOT EXIST C+30 km/s ===> MAROSZ will not see the light

above implication and Einstein

EXIST ZERO SPEED - MAROSZ see light
rocket is not moving in space

Point P1=P2=P3

We can recognize constant motion own coordination system
without Stars Or Other objects around. To Do this we need only constant C

consequences B - where we will use MY discovery

Solar system below map is not my own ( astronomy )



HOW TO USE ABOVE MAP ?


Winter & Summer

Earth---------Sun-----------Earth >>> 20 km/s

NOT EXIST C+20 km/s
LIGHT IS GOING ISOTROPY C SPEED ONLY RESPECT TO POINT WHERE STARTED




Earth---------Sun-----------Earth >>> 20 km/s
...............P1

after 1 sec we have


....20km....Earth---------Sun-----------Earth >>> 20 km/s
...............P1

AFTER 6 minutes ???
WHY WE HAVE WINTER & SUMMER

INVERSE SQUARE LAW respect to point p1
and Earth distance to point P1



More far from place where signal started = lower intensity of signal
( "lower brightness" )
1R = X , 2R = X/4 , 3R = X/9
X- brightness, R- radius
the same energy portion but different area


CLIMATE CHANGE ?

Our Galactica Accelerate


....20km....Earth---------Sun-----------Earth >>> 20 km/s
...............P1

....40km.........Earth---------Sun-----------Earth >>> 40 km/s
...............P1

More faster = more stronger winter and more stronger Summer


AIRPLANE / ROCKET - SPEED MEASRE SYSTEM VACCUM /AIR



LIGHT STARTED IN ONE AND THE SAME POINT p1
DURING LIGHT FLY to FRONT SENSOR
AIRPLANE A made distance L
AIRPLANE B made distance 2L


PERPENDICULAR SYSTEM VACUUM



Light made distance "a" during time T
How many Light and where will register sensors on opposite rocket's wall ?

NEW TYPE ULTRA PRECISSION NAVIGATION
WE NEED ONLY THREE CONSTANT VELOCITY
AND ASTRONOMY TIME ALGORITMS


zero problem with signal



CLASSICAL MECHANIC NEED BE MODIF. WE MUST ADD MOTION TO NEWTON's GRAVITATION

INVERSE SQUARE LAW WORKS FOR LIGHT AND FOR GRAVITATION
WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN BOOKS VERY SIMILAR EQUATIONS !!!



MAROSZ's proposition we must add info about constant motion
( velocity arrow,direction, volume , Motion is abble change Forces )



INVERSE SQUARE LAW and motion we will register ALSO INSIDE SINGLE ATHOM !!!





(hydrogen ) Story of the image =>

http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684901

HOW ABOVE PICTURE WAS MADE ? TIME ? LABORATORY DIRECTION RESPECT TO MOTION 30 km/s ..XX km/s ???


GALLILEO NATURAL FALL DAWN LAW + NEW FACT

m -----------Earth
M

Gallileo proved that mass M and m will natural fall down
in one and the same time

Marosz

m------h------Earth-----h------m >>> motion

Motion and Inverse Square Law ( gravitation )

mass m left and right will not fall down at one and the same time

ROFL sure troll

More kiddie drawings ..... Trolling trolling trolling !!!

Actual real science to do ... troll you later.

WILL MAROSZ SEE LIGHT ???

ORAC
The deeper question you really need to think about is why are you expecting light to behave any different to a bullet, in other words why would you ever expect it to miss you? No matter how fast your rocket is moving the bullet/light is going to fly in a dead straight line to the rocket and kill you there is nothing tricky here.


MAROSZ's REPLAY


Resoult A Marosz will see light !
Resoult B Marosz will not see light !


consequences A - LIGHT behaves similar like traditional mass. Exist C+ 30 km/s !!!


...........................^
...........................^
...........................^
...........................30 km/s

----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------

...........................p3
...........................
...........................
...........................p2
...........................
...........................
...........................p1


We can exceed the Light's speed

30 km/s
^
^
^
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C speed


consequences B
NOT EXIST C+30 km/s ===> MAROSZ will not see the light

above implication and Einstein

EXIST ZERO SPEED - MAROSZ see light
rocket is not moving in space

Point P1=P2=P3

We can recognize constant motion own coordination system
without Stars Or Other objects around. To Do this we need only constant C

ORAC
AFTER READ MY REPLY

ROFL sure troll smile

More kiddie drawings ..... Trolling trolling trolling !!!

Actual real science to do ... troll you later.

MAROSZ

ORAC DID YOU READ MY POSTS !?!

OPTION A YES
option A1 Orac not understan My English
option A2 Orac not Uderstand what mean that Exist Zero Speed
option A3 He also not understand that LIGHT or Radio wave are not mass m ( bullet )

OPTION B NO HE DID't read


ORAC if option A1 or A2 or A3 are tru we can work here
I can show you books ( in English about that )

OPtion B - please read


BR I'm not troll

Definitely option B because I don't try and understand children finger painting ... think I told you that many times

BTW I am not alone perhaps you would like me to link the sites that have banned you for the same thing of posting the same children's drawings over and over.

The correct answer to your problem by the way is OPTION C.

OPTION C:) Both option A & B by Maciej Marosz are trivially wrong and can be shown to be wrong.

Now your challenge is to work out what option C is.




Sorry the continual posting of the same children's drawing says otherwise

[b]Will Marosz see light started by Orac ? [/b]

1 Rocket's wall not reflect light )
2 Inside rocket and out side Vacuum
3 Orac is using 1 Tera WATTS laser ( or more huge power ! )


...........................^
...........................^
...........................^
........................30km/s

----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------

...........................p3
............................
............................
...........................p2
............................
............................
...........................p1

Rocket was in point p1..p2..p3........
Rocket not accelerate : p1..p2 = p3..p2

Motion respect to point P1 = 30 km/s

Rocket wide = 300 000 km light that You started need 1 sec
Rocket High = 2 metres


YOU NOT LIKE USE CALCULATORE BELOW THE SAME ROCKET

( Stationary rocket zero motion )
Question is the same

Will Marosz see light strted by Orac ?

----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------


ORAC I WAIT HERE FOR YOU REPLAY



EXIST IN SRT definitione STATIONARY OBJECT ( ZERO MOTION )

CAN WE RECOGNIZE MOTION AND NOT USE OUTSIDE OBJECTS ( STARS )



HISTORY - SIMILAR PARAGRAPH RIGTH NOW WE HAVE IN BOOKS
PHYSICS

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).

This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .

The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity

MAROSZ:):):)

Fact That MAROSZ NOT SEE LIGHT STARTED BY ORAC CAN NOT BE CHANGE IF ON ABOVE ROCKET WILL LOOK OTHER OBSERVER FROM ANY STARS AROUND ROCKET !!!!

I'm sorry did You see above paragraph in Your Books
It is not Paradox but ....... I even can not find words

ORAC like QUANTUM I never study this S... but they started
build MODEL support OWN IDEAS BY EINSTEIN ????

ABOVE PICTURE ARE STUPID ??? RESPECT TO WHO ...

MR HAWKING GROWN UP BEFORE DIE ...

BLACK HOLES EXIST ONLY ON PAPER AND IN MIND PEOPLE WITH NAROW POINT OF VIEW ... above evidence !!!

NOBEL PRIZE ? I showed picture where we will use my discovery !!!
first test I made in POLAND

I'm waiting for COOPERATION OFFER ( I CAN USE MY KNOWLEDGE
AND TALENT TO SUPPORT ANY COUNTRY WHERE I WILL HAVE CONDITION TO CCREATE ... )

BR MACIEJ MAROSZ

http://tesla4.blogspot.com/

This is evidence that you are either a troll or extremely stupid.

Here is the official process of nominations for a Nobel physics prize

http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/physics/index.html

You will note that only a very select number of special people can even nominate anyone for the Nobel prize and you can't nominate yourself

This is a typical FAQ on the issue

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=522

Most actual scientists would not be hard pressed to know anyone able to nominate people. Perhaps you should write to them and tell them to change the rules for you because you are special

I am leaving aside the issue your so called theory is incomplete, trivially wrong and not published in any actual science journal ... minor problems

Would you care to guess at what your chances of ever winning a Nobel physics prize are or do you need me to dumb it down more?



Unfortunately I am going to have to break the bad news to you that the chances of a cooperation offer are about the same as your chances of winning a Nobel physics prize

Do I need to spell it out for you more?

Could I suggest a career you really should consider, comedian because I know you make me laugh. You just need to work on not being so repetitive and relying on kiddy drawing props.

OOOO right now we have meritum

Michelson Morley Experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment

Above I showing YOU new Method that showing MISTAKE
IN FAMOUS EXPERIMENT
They Get NOBEL ? What about person Who proved wrong !!!


My tool = TRUE and explain WINTER & SUMMER problem
climate change problem ... athom period ...New Gps ...

I add very Imortant sentence to GALLILEO NTURAL FALL DOWN LAW

<<< ROCKET Earth ---- SUN >>>absolute motion (S.system)


ROCKET CAN START OPPOSITE TO SOLAR SYSTEM MOTION
IN FUTURE ROCKET CAN STOP ( or slown down only )

Stop = that rocket will not use FUEL but SUN and Earth will continue own trip . Finaly rocket without fueal on board will


ROCKET ..... continue moving..... Earth ---- SUN >>>
(stop)

I showed all on forum [b] I have not one but few test in Yotube where I confirmed all

Editors and Writers journal ?
How they will write that
Generaly All in physics RIGHT NOW iS going not right way

Who will public this ???

WHAT A F... IS HAPPEN WITH THIS WORLD ?
WHERE IS TRUE ?

WE HAVE WEB WHY WE NOT COOPERATE ???
LOOK .... ABSOLUTE MOTION AND LONG TRAVEL IN SPACE PROBLEM

HOW MUCH COST US PEOPLE THIS SITUATION WHAT WE HAVE ...
RIGHT NOW IN EDUCATION

PHYSICS schould be open for all people ... WITH HARVARD or WITHOUT...

ART and TALENT IT IS NOT ELITARY CLUB !!!
MR NOBEL WAS INVENTOR ! NOT THEORETICS WITH FRIENDS TAHT PUSHING HIS IDEA !!!

That is the funniest rant I have seen for a long time seriously take up comedy

What is absolute priceless is you just ignore the fact that scientist can easily falsify your idea and you think you can just ignore them and that should care what you think

Newflash: We don't care about your art or stupidity or whatever you want to call that children drawing rubbish it isn't science and you have been told that by at least 20 scientists that I have seen.

Thanks for that post an absolute classic.

PS: Please read up on Mr Nobel as you call him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Nobel) ..... he was a qualified engineer, studied 4 years of chemistry and elected to the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences in 1884 he was very much into "THEORETICS"

Will Marosz see light strted by Orac ?

Importatn !!! Rocket's wall not reflect light )
Inside rocket and out side Vacuum
Orac is using 1 Tera WATTS laser ( huge power ! )


...........................^
...........................^
...........................^
........................Rocket

----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------

...........................p3
............................
............................
...........................p2
............................
............................
...........................p1

Rocket was in point p1..p2..p3........
Rocket not accelerate : p1..p2 = p3..p2

Motion respect to point P1 = 30 km/s

Rocket wide = 300 000 km light that You started need 1 sec
Rocket High = 2 metres


YOU NOT LIKE USE CALCULATORE BELOW THE SAME ROCKET

( Stationary rocket zero motion )
Question is the same

Will Marosz see light strted by Orac ?

----------------------------------------------------------
Orac...................300 000 km ...................Marosz
-----------------------------------------------------------


ORAC I WAIT HERE FOR YOU REPLAY

oh please write Me one SENTENSE

IN MY OPINIOT MAROSZ WILL/ WILL NOT ....
PLEASE WRITE SHORTLY WHY ....

I will have Fan after Your reply I will give You question
and I will show page from books with Theory

I am going to answer your question in a more direct way because your experiment has been done routinely for 40 years. You agree the earth is moving at 30km/h so we have your motion and the moon is locked approximately to earths spin and motion of 30km/h and the average distance is 384,400 km (384 400 000m) just a fraction longer than your example. So we have your exact experiment.

Earth(orac) ----- 384,400,400m ------ Moon (Maciej Marosz)

The fixed relationship moving at 30km/h.

I am going to make one small change you are going to hold a mirror so I can fire the light photons/bullet and measure it's bounce back to me.

Now here is the result

http://www.cnet.com/news/full-moon-curse-lifted-looks-like-dusty-mirrors-are-to-blame/

The round-trip time to bounce the laser off the moon is about 2.5 seconds.

If you want a more technical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

The biggest issue is getting the laser up through the atmosphere as discussed if we could do it in space like your experiment it would be a hell of a lot easier.

Does that answer you question as to what will happen?

It doesn't require my opinion because it is a science fact what will happen in your experiment

The more interesting part of the experiment is what a truely stationary observer with respect to earth would see ... can you work it out? We also have an experiment that shows this result

So I answered your question now follow your example and my question. Please don't post your kiddy drawings and ideas I haven't told you my idea lets both just stick with example and see where it takes us.

Draw what the stationary observer sees do you see the problem?

Hint if stuck: (http://s14.postimg.org/9przyciz5/bounce.jpg)

MY VERBAL ENGlISH IS BETTER below Ytube I made for ORAC and this forum

http://youtu.be/G7kLrs4-UiM

ORAC after Ytube you schould uderstand how to measure distance without TIME ( geometry only )

what is it Inverse square problem why we have winter and summer ?


MOON CAN BE ON
THE EARTH WE NEED ONLY DISTANCE L1 ,L2 !!!



THERE IS NO OPTION THAT TWO ASTRONOMERS WILL SEE THE SAME BRIGHTNESS !!! WE CAN EVALUATE EARTH MOTION

PLEASE compare above test to MICHELSON MORLEY
!!! AFTER 6 h ASTRONOMERS WIL BEE PERPENDICULAR TO 30 km/s


PHYSICS WHAT WE NEED CHANGE ?

HISTORY - SIMILAR PARAGRAPH RIGTH NOW WE HAVE IN BOOKS

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).

This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .

The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity

MAROSZ

GALLILEO NATURAL FALL DAWN LAW + INVERSE SQUARE LAW /b]

m -----------Earth
M

Gallileo proved that mass M and m will natural fall down
in one and the same time

[b]Marosz's akapite

m------h------Earth-----h------m >>> motion

mass m left and mass m right will not fall down at one and the same time reason is Inverse square Law and motion

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis:
Gallileo hypotesis is wrong ( Exist between two mass gravitation !!!)

EISTEIN solved UNREAL PROBLEM BECAUSE the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity
IT IS FALSE

IN MY TEST I CAN EVALUATE DISTANCE OR VELOCITY WITHOUT STARS
WITHOUT NEW THEORY !!!! THERE IS NO ANY TIME SHIFT , THERE IS NO LOREZ REDUCTION

NEWTOW LAW OF GRAVITATION + INVERSE SQUARE LAW



INVERSE SQUARE LAW WORKS FOR LIGHT AND FOR GRAVITATION
WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN BOOKS VERY SIMILAR EQUATIONS !!!

MAROSZ's proposition we must add info about constant motion
( velocity arrow,direction, volume , Motion is abble change Forces )





Before we want to prepare new theory we must evaluate problem
and try find all other tools .When Galileo created ( in his time ) nobody use electric energy !!! electron = small mass m belwo test will help prepare modif. to Newton's Gravitation constant

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51441#Post51441

INVESE SQUARE LAW and EINSTEIN
couterexample not example



Mass M - rocket
mass m - person
distance L

BETWEEN MASS M and m exist gravitation forces

Where mass M started signal ?
Haw far from point P1 mass m will register the signal ?

M-----L------m >>>> constant acceleration
p1

mass M started wave in point P1 afer one h fly mass m willregister signal in point p2

................M-----L------m >>>> constant acceleration
p1 ..........................p2

after one week fly where will be point p2 ????
rocket accelerate accelerate and accelerate ....



DO YOU UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT BETWEEN PLANET's GRAVITTION
AND ACCELERATION !!!

Planet--m >>> constant motion
constant motion = constant inverse square law problem

TO FINISH TOPIC WE MUST SHOW MR MACH IDEA
( before MR MACH die he showed how AIRPLANE CAN
ESCAPE FROM PLACE IN SPACE WHERE STARTED OWN SOUND SIGNAL

completley new PHYSICS is below ( Marosz + Mach vision )
Airplane can escape from SOUND
Mass M can escape from own gravitation



what will be if Einstein's rocket speed = gravitation speed


MANY NEW FACTS IN PHYSICS WAIT IN PLACE WHERE NOW WE NOT SEE
MASS ? apparent position fast motion and we look there where is dark ?

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50672#Post50672

So in other words you want to ignore the result of your own thought experiment you created?

You insisted I answer your question and so I asked you look at the problem and not bring other rubbish in .... and look what you answered .

AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE CALL YOU DROPKICK STUPID?

Ignoring facts to keep an argument going is the definition of a TROLL?

TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL.

Don't ever bother talking to me ever again Mr Troll I am going to completely ignore your stupidity and trolling your are a total waste of time and have proved you are nothing but a troll.

In my opinion You not study the problem
I have have ... what ?

You graduate study ? or YOU study NEWSPAPER only

below full version test that You asked me

4 km long arm ? what about 384 000 km
we can measure all without clock !!!

I told you that clock it is not good tool
better is GEOMETRY time is relative geometry very old !

Tales - you knew that man

( people who made test that You showed will use my own method -- to calibrate own laser)


TALES - michelson morley ( 2014 - today 5 AM Poland )

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51461#Post51461

Stop trolling.

Even a child can see a laser beam is not 3D it travels in a straight line so the idea light is 3D is beyond stupid you troll.

There are thousand of experiments to show the particle behaviour of light you just want to ignore like a lunatic.

You created the thought experiment and now you got caught by your own experiment

It was funny seeing you absolutely insist I answer the question not realizing the experiment had actually been done and when the answer wasn't what you expected and you couldn't argue it you had to ignore it ... classic

Enough of the troll garbage go away troll and troll another site.

strait flat line OK thank you

Why should we try test not strait line ( nobody before do this ? )

I'm sorry strait flat line ?

ORAC SIR STRAIT FLAT LINE ?

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2000/jul/19/laser-smashes-light-speed-record

and what YOU SEE THIS IN NEWSPAPER ok
now You understand that other people not see flat strait line?

photography it is magic
to take good photo You no need expensive camera

Look you stupid pollack try reading the whole article ... there is nothing in that science didn't expect in the result.

GET IT THE RESULT WAS COMPLETELY EXPECTED ... THERE ARE ACTUALLY NO KNOWN EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS WITH LIGHT THAT ARE AN ANOMALY EXCEPT A SMALL DISPERSION EFFECT.

Wikipedia actually list all known science, geophysics, biology etc anamoly
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomaly)

TROLL TROLL TROLL

CAN I SUGGEST YOU ACTUALLY TRY STUDYING WHAT IS KNOWN YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF LIKE YOUR POSTS ON RADIATION AND BACK HOLES

YOU KEEP TRYING TO CHANGE THE DISCUSSION I WONDER WHY?

Perhaps MR TROLL you can think about how how many other experimental facts you are "having to ignore" and pretend don't exist to make you bullsh1t theory work and that tells you why people call you an idiot. In the above you created an experiment and when you don't like the result you won't even talk about it and we call that TROLLING.

So answer the question how do we manage to bounce a laser beam off the moon we are both moving like you wanted?

STRAIT LINE ?



people who can imagine many different times many different space huge level of Mathematica - see flat strait line on above picture ???

You have a bulb in that torch.

It is firing beams out in multiple directions like a machine gun.

Put a pin hole (the smallest hole you can make) and a single shaft of light will come out.

You example shows nothing other than how stupid you are.

HINT: Try this at home get a piece of cardboard and stick a pin hole in it and tape it to the torch and not what happens to the beam dropkick ... most kids can guess what happens

Are your really trying to show how absolutely stupid your really are.

Here let me show you how we do it with the children.
(http://science-notebook.com/light01.html#LIGHT_RAYS)

And they usually work out => Light rays travel in straight lines, away from the light source

It's real hard 10-12 year old children can work it out

RADIAL FLAT LINE ??





SUN ----- Earth ----> 20 km/s
p1

SUN started wave1 in point P1

after one sec we have situation

...20km...SUN ----- Earth ----> 20 km/s
p1

AFTER SIX MIUTES
..........................SUN ----- Earth ----> 20 km/s
p1


p1...p2...p3...p4...p5...SUN >>> motion

WE HAVE STRAIT FLAT LINES "AND WINTER "

after SIX months we have SUMMER ?

TALES from MILET ? FLAT LINES ? YE.... EINSTEIN ...
QUANTUM ... FLAT LINES !!!

ORAC 66.66 it is only one reason that we have winter and sumer ... YES I LIKE FLATE LINES THEORY zero 3D IMAGINATION and EINSTEIN

ORAC LIGHT NEED 6 minutes for distance 150 000 000 km
YES EARTH IS WAITING FOR SIGNAL BECAUSE IN MATHEMATICA WE USE FLAT LINE

GRAVITATION ?
WOW IT IS HUGE FLAT LINE

Are you really trying to prove how stupid you are?

At the moment you are showing why the stereotype of the stupid pollack idiot exists

As I said it's real hard we can usually teach the 10-12 year old kids

Here let me show you how we do it with the children.
(http://science-notebook.com/light01.html#LIGHT_RAYS)

And they usually work out => Light rays travel in straight lines, away from the light source

10-12 year old children can work out what you can't

Oh THANK YOU COPERNIC ?
THANK YOU MARIA CURI ?

MAROSZ I'm sory FLAT LINE

FLAT LINE THEORY IS BLOCKING 3D
--- 3D we only like but TV not
EXPERIMENT :):):)

WHAT WILL REGISTER MICHELSON MORLEY ?
150 000 000 km arm

FLAT WALL = MANY FLAT LINES ?



I'm SORY FLAT PEOPLE THINK THAT MORE LONG ARM = MORE BETTER
TEST ?:):):) or more biger mistake ???

NO they have EINSTEIN support so they not made mistake : )

ORAC - many people like experiment that we made in PAST
DO YOU UNDERSTAND FLAT LINE PROBLEM ?

PLEASE SPEAK WITH PEOPLE WHO LIKE PHOTOGRAPHY ? EXIST 100000000000000 many different GRAY COLOR

WHY YOU SEE ON FLAT LINE and BLACK / WHITE WORLD

WHY WE HAVE INVERSE SQUARE LAW
ORAC HAVE FLAT LINE AND MATHEMATICA

http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/

http://youtu.be/9RbLLYCiyGE

Newton do you understand that many people in the past thought the world was flat?

So if I argued that the world is flat because people in the past thought so that is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

The correct answer is people in the past were uneducated and didn't know better.

You however don't have that excuse you just flat refuse to look at the answer that shows that what people thought in the past was wrong.

They had an excuse YOU DON'T.

That is why everyone calls you an idiot because it is not hard to show the behaviour of light we do it for most 10-12 year olds.

You have an inverse square law if you setup properties so that light radiates in 3D.

The key point you ignore is light can be made not to go in 3D it can be made to go in 2D and 1D if you want.

The answer is given in the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law

HERE IS THE QUOTE: The inverse-square law generally applies when some force, energy, or other conserved quantity is evenly radiated outward from a point source in three-dimensional space.

NOTICE IT DOES NOT SAY LIGHT ALWAYS TRAVEL THIS WAY.

You are apply that law that is how light always travels and that is a lie.

To make light work like that in a light bulb you get a filament and wind it in a coil to make the beam fly in every direction so the 3D dispersion is a feature of the bulb filament not light itself.

A laser doesn't have that coiling and so the light simply flies in a straight line

You can actually make a laser like a light globe by firing it off a rotating and moving platform



Again pretty easy for even children to understand.

2 D = MATHEMATICA
1 D = mathematica

4D = Einstein

10 D mdern QUANTUM



3D - NATURAL AND VERY OLD WORLD

Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1

after 1 sec we have

....20 km... Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1

Sun started light wave in point P1
Earth will register light after 6 minutes ...

Iverse Square Law and Motion ?



More far from place where signal started = lower intensity of signal
( "lower brightness" )
1R = X , 2R = X/4 , 3R = X/9
X- brightness, R- radius
the same energy portion but different area

IMPORTANT IS POINT p1 not actual ( fresh sun position )
but apparent position SUN IS SENDING PERFECT CIRCLE
from each new point in space
each wave rise up in all 3D directions C speed respect to point p1..p2...p3..p4

....20 km... Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1

Please Imagine below situation 40 km/s and 20 km/s

........40 km....... Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1




Earth ------SuN ------ Earth >>>> motion

speed up = that we will have stronger summer and stronger winter !!!!


Not exist any special relativity problem !!!

BELOW
MICHELSON MORLEY TALES LAW version

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51461#Post51461

So the world is flat to a stupid pollack .... are you saying you really are dumber than a 10 year old child or are you just playing a stupid troll?

The obvious question is how do you explain a laser in your stupidity or just putting a pinhole in a piece of cardboard and putting it in front of your flash light

You also still trying to avoid the original question how do we bounce a laser beam off the moon ... you started this question and your 3D beam wont answer it?

None of this is very hard and still your try and troll this garbage

PS: 4D = Einstein WRONG ..... 4D nature of light = MAXWELL
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations)

NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELATIVITY IT IS BASIC PROPERTIES OF LIGHT THAT CHILDREN CAN UNDERSTAND.

You worked out that your posts on black holes and radiation were stupid so we don't understand why you can't see the same is true of this rubbish.

That is why everyone thinks you are simply trying to TROLL because we can't honestly believe anyone is as stupid as you are acting ... I can't take you seriously I don't think we have anything left to talk about do you?

ORAC ORAC ???

how many Hz have generator how works DIODE ( constant ? )

:):)

LINE FLAT STRAIT LINE ???

Oh good ? stupid polish boy ?

Like Einstein TOLD "EVERYTHING IS MOVING"

Please keep very strait Your laser ???
You can use Gyroscope for help ??

but You know what ??


p1..p2..p3..p4..p5..p6... ORAC >>> Motion

You were in point p1 ..p2 ..p3..p4 ...

YOU ARE MOVING not respect to stars but respect to point where
You were in past short time ago !!!

AND YOU CAN NOT ELIMINATE THIS MOTION FROM YOUR REAL WORLD

LASER's frequency = 120 000 000 Hz
LASER is INSIDE ROCKET and MOVING IN SPACE ?
Fact 1
Between each line exist distans 1/120 000 000 sec

Each Rocket is moving respect to point in space
where laser was in Past (with rocket) and where
laser started signal ( energy pack)

During time T light made distance "a" how many meters made rocket?




ORAC STRAIT FLAT LINE YOU HAVE


ONLY IN BOOKS AND IN MATHEMATICA


REAL PICTURE IS LIKE I SHOWED YOU
ABOVE

YOUR EYES SEE 50 Hz we can help

ULtra fast camera can help You ( we have to only ask maker please not use mathematica and please not eliminate blurr
this blurr not fit to customers eyes and vision but that blurr has got strong relation with motion and 24h period - if maker will eliminate blurr = they will use unreal filtre for flat people )

*****************************************************
GOOD TIP FOR YOU
please ask proffesional photographer
(exist peopl who feel light by finger 20 years -30 years )

You can start " I have a problem Bulb is in my room but my room is moving in space ... how to take a picture blurr - flare "

You can show them my method ( dark fitre, LED, long time )

I'm sure that they will show you better method

we can use also extra fast camera but MANUAL OLD CAMERA and
many trick with old FILM can be much more precission !!!

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before I made above picture many people around my home call me Idiot why below few test

Each picture = story or mistery for people who not think that world is flat




BR MACIEJ MAROSZ NOT TROLL
I hope You uderstand how look strait line in my opinion
http://tesla4.blogspot.com

below I see Michael JORDAN 23 and DUNK
DO YOU SEE EINSTEIN ?


HOW MANY NEWS ABOUT EINSTEIN = TOTALY NONSENSE ?

I'm moving = I'm sending energy from each new point where I was , I'm , i will be


Gravitation = energy
Light = Energy

Motion = that signal power is div by points where You were

p1...p2...p3...p4...p5...M ---- V ------>

Mass M is moving
p1,p2,p3,p4,p5 - points where mass M was in past

{p1--p2}={p4--p5} this condition describe constant velocity

From each new position mass M is sending gravitation's wave
( Yelow rings - below drawing explain three situation)

1 mass M speed = ZERO
2 mass M speed = grawitation's wave speed
3 mass M speed > G




How compare light and gravitation ?

Proffesional photographer use ( FORCE of LIGHT definition )
Newton use Force of gravitation

If rocket Accelerate accelerate ... accelerate
gravitation forces between Rocket M and person m going down
down down Mass m not feel distance L but L+Lx

for distance L gravitation need time T
during time T mass m and rocket escape Lx distance



GENERALY EVERYTHING IS MOVING = THAT EACH BODY IN PAST WAS IN SOME PLACE AND LEFT SOME TRAP ( like animal in winter on fresh
snow )


DARK MATTERY ??? = very fast mass M that was where we look 1000 Light years ago - we can not see nothing but Mass M started wave in point where we look ( why we look in that point because we feel gravitation ) Mass M can be fr far away from old position

http://youtu.be/iHMYfYo9cXg

WE need to change classical mechanic

GRAVITATION and constant motion problem

situation a

M------m >>>>>> 30 km/s
p1

situation b

M------m >>>>>>>>>>>> gravitation speed
p1

Mass M started wave in point p1
respect to point p1 we can measure speed

in situation b mass m will never feel mass M gravitation

As I told You Inverse Square Law it is very important bridge


Above we have very similar Equation for me it is very natural
Light = energy and Gravitation = energy

NEWTON info about constant motion must be in equations

Gallileo and His NATURAL FALL DOWN LAW

M----------Earth
m

Mass M and m will natural fall down in one and the same time

Marosz my sentense more to Gallileo

M----------Earth >>>
m

natural fall down time has strong relation with constant motion
and inverse Square low ( important is from where Earth started wave
************************************



m-----Earth-----m >>> motion

mass m left and mass m right will not touch the Earth in one and the same time ( motion !!!)

HISTORY - SIMILAR PARAGRAPH RIGTH NOW WE HAVE IN BOOKS

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).

This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .

The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity

MAROSZ
Gravitation or Light it is the apparatuses that they can use

one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity
is already not actual !!!

FYTURE !!!

Airlane can escape from place where started sound
faster than sound

Marosz

Mass M can escape from place where started gravitation wave more faster than Gravitation speed


CLASSICAL MECHANIC NEED REVOLUTION
VERY CLOSE MODEL TO PERPETUM MOBILE FIRST TYPE but not exactly


p1...p2...p3...p4...p5...p6...p7...p8............M>>> G> speed


m- mass


mass m step by step accelerate
( it can be galactica for example )
mass m reading gravitation signals from point p1

distance point p1 --- p8 = many light YEARS

Mass M has got own Word zero contacte with other masses
it is one direction action

mass M speed up mass m but will never feel that mass accelerat

ABOVE IT IS NOT PERPETUM
Gravitation = Energy = fuel that is able finish


MR MACH IDEA generaly all bodies in universe are roped by gravitation - If I push small mass m in my room the universe will feel this but not at one and the same time information need time
distance and inverse square law !!!

Marosz's Idea what is it graavitation ... ???????

please remember day when I wrote below this word

[b]Each body is made from athoms
Inside atoms we have rotation ( electrons and other more smaller parts of the athom )

fast rotation is able generate EM wave

Each single athom in my body generate gravitation [/color]

More hot bodies = lower power of the signal ( gravitation Hz is going down )
Each material have got own special Hz we have different gravitation's Hz

Fe, Cu , Al , .... different period giving different mass the same capacity of material

when body speed up gravitation mass going down
absolute motion chnnging period inside athom


Electron---- center

Electron around center has got constant line speed

Electron---- center >>> 100 km/s

Electron---- center >>> 1000000 km/s

the same eletron in the same time will make circle around center but in absolute space we have bigger or smaler ellipse



when speed rise up Inertia mass m rise up only on parallel direction to speed ( perpendicular direction is neutral aand constant )

We have two type of mass
Inertia and Gravitation mass

Gravitation it is information how mass m cooperate with other masses in the universe

Inertia mass = Kinetic energy
Each body that is moving respect to point p1..p2..p3..
(not respect to stars !!!) have got special own kinetic energy

Inertai has got direction ( for example please push mass m perpendicular to motion You will not feel so strong resistance like
push oppoosite to main motion

Inertia below test very precision definition of inertia
( it is absolute kinetic energy in below test electron mass M is moving with wire and Earth in space )

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51441#Post51441

two parallel mass faster than own gravitation

p1...p2...p3...p4...p5...M1 >>> G


p1...p2...p3...p4...p5...M2 >>> G

Mass M1 will never feel mass m2 these two mass will not fall down

m1 m2 m3 m4 m5 chain


m1>>G...m2>>G...m3>>G...m4>>G...m5>>G...m6 >> G


observer

each mass from above chain is going faster than g

they not exist for observer
observer can not see many masses
and will never understand how many masses has got chain

the same problem we have
during fast rotation many masses m

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50672#Post50672

No-one can really be that stupid and manage to breath and stay alive which is what you are trying to convince me

I have oscillated in the past between you are just very very poorly educated or a troll but you have settled the matter ... clearly you are a troll.

I don't waste time on trolls so go drop dead or crawl back under your rock little troll.

STUPID is person who think that EXIST LASER
and this LASER IS SENDING SINGLE STRAIT LINE

DID YOU GRADUATE STUDY or YOU STUDY NEWSPAPER AND LINKS ?

ohh sorry You have no time to read this [censored] that You '
shwing people ?.


IF YOU HAVE BRAIN AFTER READ ABOVE PLEASE TRY
EXPLAIN

DOBLE SLIT EXPERIMENT
WITHOUT QUANTUM DUALIZM and EINSTEIN