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Tnx for the support Paul,

Here's the script for a mass inside a RING.

formula in D5 is =360/D4
You fill in D4 (mass count on ring)
D6 is distance to ring
D8 is the radius of the ring
D9 the mass (standard 1)
You place a button on page and submit function berekenF

Sub berekenF()
Dim gr As Double
Dim hoekB As Double
Dim hoekBgr As Double
Dim aantalmassas As Double
Dim A As Double
Dim AV As Double
Dim Fsom As Double
Dim teller As Double
Dim x As Double
Dim y As Double
Dim z As Double
Dim S As Double
Dim R As Double
Dim str As Double
Dim m As Double
Dim Gafstand As Double
Dim cosinvalshoek As Double
Dim factor As Double



aantalmassas = Range("D4").Value
gr = Range("D5").Value
A = Range("D6").Value
R = Range("D8").Value
m = Range("D9").Value



gr = 0

For teller = 1 To aantalmassas

x = Sin(Application.WorksheetFunction.Radians(gr)) * R
y = Sqr((R * R) - (x * x))

If gr = 0 Then
z = A
factor = 1
Else


If A > (R - y) And gr < 90 Then 'eerste sector
z = A - (R - y)
factor = 1
End If

If A < (R - y) And gr < 90 Then 'tweede sector
z = R - A - y
factor = -1
End If

If gr >= 90 And gr <= 180 Then 'derde sector
z = R - A + y
factor = -1
End If

If gr > 180 And gr <= 270 Then 'vierde sector
z = R - A + y
factor = -1
End If

If A < (R - y) And gr > 270 Then 'vijfde sector
z = R - A - y
factor = -1
End If

If A > (R - y) And gr > 270 And gr <= 360 Then 'zesde sector
z = A - (R - y)
factor = 1
End If


End If


S = Sqr((x * x) + (z * z))
hoekB = ArcSin((Sin(Application.WorksheetFunction.Radians(gr)) * R) / S)
hoekBgr = Application.WorksheetFunction.Degrees(hoekB)
gr = gr + Range("D5").Value
cosinvalshoek = Cos(Application.WorksheetFunction.Radians(hoekBgr))
cosinvalshoek = cosinvalshoek * factor
Fsom = Fsom + (((1 * m) / (S * S)) * cosinvalshoek)


Next

Gafstand = Sqr((aantalmassas * m) / Fsom)
Range("D10").Value = Gafstand
Range("D11").Value = Fsom

End Sub

Function ArcSin(x As Double) As Double

ArcSin = Atn(x / Sqr(-x * x + 1))

End Function



This is not the code for a single shell, I'm still working on it. 95% ready and I don't know if I post it here. Delicate.
But you can imagine, when you twist infinite rings around the axis, drawn in the prolongation of the mass and closest point on ring, that the attraction to the shell will be stronger than to a single ring.

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When Cavendish calculated the G, (sphere 1 was 157,85 kg, radius 2.55cm. Sphere 2 0,73 kg, radius 15cm) he took R as 0,2286m (from centerpoint to centerpoint)
That value is not correct, my estimated value is 0,14m
If you calculate G then, you will get 2,52792E-11

Then between mass and Earth(is hollow) , if you take R = 2000km
the correct mass of the Earth is 1,55226E+24
MassEarth = F*R²/G*m
if you take a person of 100kg, the F is 981N, G is 2,52792E-11

But once my program is 100% finished, I will get the exact values.

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Calculation shell thickness Earth

The Earth started expanding 180 million years ago. If we assume the Earth wasn't hollow then,
we can calculate the primitive radius. Sum all land area of 4-5 billion years old. If you look at the ocean age map you count all gray and white areas.



Total landarea = 148.940.000 km² + 30.000.000 km² &#8776; 180.000.000 km²
Surface sphere = A = 4*pi*R²

R = sqr(A/pi*4)
R = 3784 km
So the radius of the Earth has increased 68% (now 6371km)

Volume V1 = 4/3*pi*3784km³ = 226.956.169.258 km³
Volume V3= 4/3*pi*6378km³ = 1.086.781.292.542 km³
V2 = V3 – V1 = 859.825.123.284 km³ (V2 is virtual volume inside hollow sphere)

V = 4/3*pi*R³

R = (3*V/4*pi)power(1/3) = 5898 km

R = 6378km – 5898km = 480 km

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I see your using a spreadsheet , so this will be simple
for me to repeat.

in the U.S. we use a comma to separate thousanths

and a decimal for the zero point placemark.

1,000,000,000.000,000,000,001

I cant follow the figures you posted in the following post , could you repost them with the commas and decimals included?

I can see the reason you have for the existence of a hollow
area inside the earth.

its easy to understand how there could be a sun inside the earth as the inner core and outer core of the earth are sort of similar to the sun if we strip everything above the outer core away.

we may never know if there are atomic reactions at the core
because the radiation couldn't penetrate through the crust.

my major problem with the idea is gravity.

I suppose it could work because the core itself would have its
gravity and the earth above would have its gravity.

the two would make up what we know as our earths gravitational field.

the hollow empty area could be air.

and could very well be close to the volume of our moon!


its really very interesting , but it will be hard to convince
people that it could be possible.


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If the Earth and Moon had the same volume (and approx same materials),then the gravity on Moon would be the same on Earth.
Gravity on Moon is 1.6249 m/s², Earth has 9.81m/s². So the volume of the Moon is much less.
BUT we find very heavy materials on the surface on the Moon. Titanium, plutonium, uranium. The deeper you go, the heavier the materials due to pressure. This means shell of the hollow Moon is quite thin compared to Earth. Proof of this during Apollo missions:

In addition, during the Apollo 12 Mission, the lunar module crashed on the moon. The module’s impact crated an artificial moonquake with surprising characteristics, such the fact that the moon rang like a bell for more than an hour! This ‘phenomenon’ as NASA called it was repeated with Apollo 13 where they intentionally made the third stage hit the moon. Instruments recorded the reverberation lasting for almost 3.5 hours, and it traveled to a depth of 25 miles! This is when NASA concluded the moon may have no core.

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Moving back towards the original topic; I see the film "Noah" has to carry a disclaimer.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/but-not-simpler/2014/03/28/noah-isnt-accurate-cant/#.Uz3dVm3wotp


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Dim gr As Double
Dim hoekB As Double
Dim hoekBgr As Double
Dim aantalmassas As Double
Dim A As Double
Dim AV As Double
Dim Fsom As Double
Dim teller As Double
Dim x As Double
Dim y As Double
Dim z As Double
Dim S As Double
Dim R As Double
Dim str As Double
Dim m As Double
Dim Gafstand As Double
Dim cosinvalshoek As Double
Dim factor As Double


In Welsh, dim = nothing. "Dim sylw!"


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I think I will go see the movie.

the article addresses many things about why the account
of Noahs Flood could not be possible.

he stresses that ships made of wood would get torn apart by
the seas and that we use steel to build ships with.

and it wasn't 40 days either , so he hasn't done much
homework on the subject.

and several other points.

but scientist today can pop things in and out of nothing.
and they can have billions of parallel universes , so why
couldn't Noah just pop each animal that entered the ark into
a ark in another one of the parallel universes as soon as
it entered the ark or when he needed more space?

but would he need more space?

has there been a study or data gathered that shows how many
animals can fit into an ark?

we dont really have many really big animals.
and why would you put fully grown animals in an ark?
wouldnt smaller younger animals be better for a trip like
that?

and several million bugs could fit into a 10 x 10 x 10 ft area.







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Originally Posted By: Paul
has there been a study or data gathered that shows how many
animals can fit into an ark?

we dont really have many really big animals.
and why would you put fully grown animals in an ark?
wouldnt smaller younger animals be better for a trip like
that?

I'm sure it has been, but I will make a quick stab at it again. The volume of the Ark is about 1,580,000 cubic feet. Taking for size say a sheep about 3 * 4 * 1.5 feet (my top of the head estimate) 18 cubic feet, plus feed for 5 months (150 days), call that 40 cubic feet total. I think that the feed estimate is very low it should probably be a lot higher. Anyway, now we can get 38,000 sheep sized animals in there. Of course that is with them all stacked on top of each other. Then we know that there were 7 of each kind of the clean animals and 2 of each kind of the unclean and 7 of each of the fowls of the air.

Anyway that gives some kind of an estimate. It sounds a bit small for all of the many thousands of animal species that exist.

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Personally, I think all these calculations; as well as questions like "how did they manage to collect all these creatures" are a bit pointless.

The sort of answer most children are given would be something like: "God could easily bring them all to the ark".

You can't argue with that, can you?


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http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/...20&type=cta

If scientists can be this uncertain about an estimate relating to a place we have visited (wait for it!),how certain can we be about an estimate based on a tiny fragment from a place we can never visit?


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38,000 species / 7 each = 5,428 different species of clean animals.

can you name even 100 animal species that would not fit your dimensions( would not fit into an area that small)?

all the rest would require less area , less feed , etc...

of course we would not count any animals that were purposefully
bred by humans such as dogs, cats, mice , rats , birds , bugs, etc...etc... that didn't exist in Noahs time.

this interest me , Im curious if there are scientist who have
this information yet have not published it ( peer fear ).

if it were a QM problem it would be known the next day.
or at least a way would have been found / imagined to account for it.

Im not certain but its looking like there was plenty of space
especially if you don't take fully grown 18 cu ft animals into
the ark.

Im not certain but I don't think that God specified that the animals needed to be fully developed.

1) they take up more space.
2) they consume more food.
3) they excrete more waste.

I think we can reduce your 18 cu ft per ark animal to
apx 2ft x 1 ft x 1 ft = 2 cu ft...

there would be some exceptions such as elephants of course.
likewise
a wolf could probably fit into 1 cu ft.

and Im thinking that the elephants might have been tethered
to the ark as they come with built in snorkels and some of the
animals could ride on their backs.

its looking like a worthwhile project for some scientist who
is interested in science becoming less of a claimant of
beliefs in a subject due to peer fear and more of a producer of
true facts , or should I say facts than can be tested.

it was 1 year and 10 days not 5 months by the way
Feb 17 ( Noah was 600 years old) date of the flood.
Feb 27 ( Noah was 601 years old) date of leaving the ark.

which shows that you havent studied the subject either.

but that amount of time would require alot of feed.

so we can keep your 40 cu ft estimate , and we might need to add to it.

can you raise young animals on a mixture of grains and water ( slightly brackish water)?

Im still going to say that it could be done.

it wouldnt be easy , but it seems possible.




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38,000 species / 7 each = 5,428 different species of clean animals.

Where do you get 38,000 species? There are a great many more species of clean animals than that in the world.

Originally Posted By: paul
of course we would not count any animals that were purposefully bred by humans such as dogs, cats, mice , rats , birds , bugs, etc...etc... that didn't exist in Noahs time.

What makes you think they didn't exist in Noahs time?

Originally Posted By: paul
Im not certain but its looking like there was plenty of space especially if you don't take fully grown 18 cu ft animals into the ark.

Im not certain but I don't think that God specified that the animals needed to be fully developed.


The bible doesn't say they weren't fully developed. The obvious assumption is that they were adult.

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and Im thinking that the elephants might have been tethered to the ark as they come with built in snorkels and some of the animals could ride on their backs.


Sorry Paul, April Fools Day was on Tuesday.

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Where do you get 38,000 species? There are a great many more species of clean animals than that in the world.


woops.

that should have been 38,000 sheep.

that still leaves 5,428 different species that are as large
as your estimate.

can you at least think of 100? or 50 that would be as large as
your size estimate?

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What makes you think they didn't exist in Noahs time?


I'll go with logic and common sense and currently available breeding information.

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The bible doesn't say they weren't fully developed. The obvious assumption is that they were adult.


that would depend on which side of the fence your on.

on my side of the fence , where logic is , if I needed to
put 7 of each species of animals on a ark , I would gather
the young animals.

of course on your side of the fence , logic has no place , and
peer pressure is the dominate concern.

this is evident by your size estimate of 18 cu ft per ark animal including another 28 cu ft of feed.

if all animals were sized as you sized the sheep , and
then added up and an average animal size was derived from that number by dividing that number by the number of species do
you even begin to believe that 18 cu ft would even be a close number?

I suppose you wanted the insects to require 18 cu ft also.




















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I found some interesting figures on this page.
I thought the page might help you out.

http://animals.about.com/od/zoologybasics/a/howmanyspecies.htm

only 3% of the animals in the world are vertebrates.

of course we wouldn't need to include fish , amphibians , some
birds like the ones that can swim , basically any animal that can live in and on the water.


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Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species


its looking better and better.

considering that all animals wouldn't really need 40 cu ft of
space on the ark.

also some of those remaining animals might not be clean
and this would require even less space for all the animals.

maybe they did have room for a few dinosaurs.









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Any thoughts about the salinity of the water, as far as the survival of aquatic creatures is concerned.

What about shallow water sedentary creatures like corrals. Would the water not have become too deep for them to survive?


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I wonder how many species of finch inhabited the Galapagos Islands in those days. smile


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I wonder how many species of finch inhabited the Galapagos Islands in those days.


I have no idea , was there a group of islands there at all?

I can easily understand how birds could migrate to the galapagos islands after the flood however.

and I think I read somewhere that the beaks of finches can
change because of diet.

breeding between the species can further alter the skeletons
of these birds.


also a wolf can change due to breeding , change into any
dog you look at.

not because of evolution , but because of human intervention
or the domestication and breeding of wolves for certain purposes.












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Any thoughts about the salinity of the water, as far as the survival of aquatic creatures is concerned.

What about shallow water sedentary creatures like corrals. Would the water not have become too deep for them to survive?


I would imagine that a lot of the life in the seas would have
died off , and there would have been plenty of food for the life
that survived.

just remember that there are tremendous surface salt deposits that would have become involved as the waters rose.





as well as huge underground salt deposits in mines that would also become involved.



plus the 80% salt water content of the humans and animals
that died in the flood.










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Paul, you are leaving out the major argument against all of the questions of how the Noah Project worked. Miracles. Those can take care of any objection. If God needed all of the animals to get to the ark and needed them all on the arc all He had to do was to make it be. That would be easy for Him. After all the Noah story is the story of a miracle any way.

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