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#50241 - 11/05/13 03:43 AM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: newton]
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At times I you make me cringe and I am not sure whether to laugh at your stupidity or cry .... in your native language I think the translation is "Glupszy niz ustawa przewiduje"

You have literally millions of science experiments against you and that is why I am ignoring you. Against my better judgement I will at least give you some more things to think about.

As scientists we don't draw pictures in ever increasing stupidity that could either be cartoons or porn depending on you bend ... scientist go out and measure things instead.


In 2002 the first single photon source was created using Quantum Mechanics by Toshiba. It was big news and carried by all science magazines the layman simplification of the work appears proudly on the Toshiba website

http://www.toshiba-europe.com/research/crl/qig/singlephotonled.html
(science paper: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/295/5552/102)

=> We have developed the world's first light emitting diode (LED) capable of emitting a stream of single photons


In 2004 those single photons could be effectively tracked in flight without destroying them by again using Quantum Mechanics

http://phys.org/news138.html

=> In a world-first, the path of a single photon can now be measured without destroying the photon in the process.



In 2010 Toshiba managed to compact both processes into one and Quantum Entangle the produced single photons so you could track the photons from creation to end

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100602/full/news.2010.275.html
http://www.mdtmag.com/news/2010/06/toshi...-dot-within-led

By 2012 the technology had advanced to production status by Toshiba
http://www.toshiba-europe.com/research/crl/qig/entangledled.html




So perhaps stop with all the stupid claims and read science magazines ... the light saber article is an extension of the quantum work above.

So if you think you are against Einstein he is nothing compared to the thousands of Quantum Experiments that say Maciej Marosz = "Glupszy niz ustawa przewiduje".


What do you propose we do with all the thousands (that is not an exaggeration there are thousands now) of experiments that show you are wrong .... ignore them ???????

So make all the stupid claims you like and proclaim to the world how your great theory breaks all science .... SCIENCE AND I DON'T CARE what Maciej Marosz thinks.

Does you little brain understand why science and I will just ignore you because we can't ignore the thousands of experiments ..... EXPERIMENTS > Maciej Marosz stupidity

So enough I have nothing more to add ... YOU ARE WRONG END OF STORY ... if you don't want to accept that is fine by me.



Edited by Orac (11/05/13 03:52 AM)
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#50242 - 11/05/13 08:31 AM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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Ok ORAC below Question for You

Exist only two options or You have option 3 ?



option 1

......Point 1 .......Source -------> V1
........i
........i
........i
.......single photon
........i
........i
........i
....................SENSOR --------> V1

single photon started in point 1 in past
after short time sensor and source have new position in space

single photon will never touch the sensor reason is V1 !


option 2
single photon has got mass
(inertia similar problem we feel inside car that is moving )

......Point 1 .........Source....-------> V1
........i
........i
........i
...................single photon --------> V1
........i
........i
........i
.......................SENSOR.. --------> V1


DEAR ORAC DO YOU HAVE ANY OPTION 3 ... ?

TOSHIBA LABORATORY ?
TOSHIBA ? IT IS INSIDE SOLAR SYSTEM ? ( 30 km/s ,20 km/s , 217 km/s

1 km/s = 1 000 000 mm /s !!



WINTER and SUMMER problem 150 000 000 distance and 5-6 minutes ?

DEAR SUN MR ORAC REQUEST PLEASE SENT TO US ONLY ONE SINGLE PHOTON smile PLEASE NOT SENT MANY PHOTONS
ONE MORE PLEASE NOT MOVE DURING YOU ARE SENDING PLEASE STOP
AND WAIT ...




GENERALY MAROSZ NOT DISCOVERIED NOTHING IMPORTANT !!!

MICHELSON MORLEY ?








Edited by newton (11/05/13 09:42 AM)

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#50243 - 11/05/13 08:34 AM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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Dear Orac

Thank You that You showed me single photon very good !!!

we can repeat my test inside very long pipe LIGO and use Single Photon

Option 1 or Option 2 ??? or other ???

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50121#Post50121

LED = MANY SINGLE PHOTONS ???

WHAT IF THE SOURCE HAS GOT VELOCITY AND ROTATION ( OMEGA) ?

LED IS SENDING MANY SINGLE PHOTONS IN MANY NEW DIRECTIONS BECAUSE LED IS ON THE EARHT AND IS MOVING WITH EARTH IN SPACE !!!



Edited by newton (11/05/13 09:33 AM)

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#50244 - 11/05/13 08:57 AM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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DEAR ORAC MOTION
AND COSTANT ABOLUTE VELOCITY and experiment that You know it is nothing more than question about option 1 or option 2 .
...or option 3 If You have own idea :):):)




Where the single photon started ?
Where will be sensor ( screen ) after short time ?
Single photon can hit side wall ?


Edited by newton (11/05/13 12:28 PM)

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#50245 - 11/05/13 09:23 AM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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EXIST MOTION ?

Earth is moving in space = that two slides are moving with Earth !!!

single photon ? has got mass ? or not ?


if not has got mass it mean that is not moving with Earth
if has got mass it mean that is moving with Earth

exist one more problem MEDIUM ? ( Water or Air or Vacuum )
we must make test inside VACUUM !!!

IF PHOTON HAS GOT MASS = THAT WE CAN CREATE MASS
we can start photon = that we create mass ?

always when I turn on my flaslight I create new Mass ?
it is very hard to imagine for me

Fhoton has got mass = that we can exchange energy and create mass
God exist or not ? ....

Where is MR Hawking above post is very good question ?

God exist or not .... ? If we can create mass ( exchange electric energy to photons that represent mass = That we can be a GOD ?


Right now we can chage Energy for Work or HOT or Motion

Photon has got mass = that we can change energy for mass !


ORAC DO YOU UNDERSTAND ABOVE PROBLEMS
YOU THINK THAT I'M similar to all this Idiots that speak abut universe ???

Realy ? PLease read posts study and use Logica !!!



Edited by newton (11/05/13 09:59 AM)

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#50246 - 11/05/13 11:17 AM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: newton]
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GOD????? what has GOD got to do with this????

Lets see I can see an airplane fly .... Maciej Marosz says airplanes don't exist. I say look Maciej Marosz there is an airplane flying .... Maciej Marosz says no airplane can only fly if god exists?????

You are Idiotka (and yes I use the female version for you).


If you ever get in trouble and go before a court and in front of the judge they look at the evidence ... science works the same way.

I am sorry for you Maciej Marosz we can't just ignore evidence because you don't like it.


I could fill a book with what science knows about light and photons you could not even fill a single page.


I am sorry Maciej Marosz this is simply beyond your ability to argue it .... it is the same as airplanes they exist whether or not Maciej Marosz believes it.


I will tell you one last funny thing Einstein didn't like where science eventually took his idea into Quantum Mechanics. He spent the last 30 years of his life trying to disprove his own idea.


Science won't let the owner of a theory change it what chance do you think we have of letting some Idiotka, Maciej Marosz on the internet change it?

Sometimes in life you have to accept the inevitable truth .. airplanes can fly ... and Maciej Marosz theory is wrong.

For my part all I can do is tell you the truth that light behaves exactly as science says it does.

Thus ends the story .... THE END.


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 11:48 AM)
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#50247 - 11/05/13 11:25 AM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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I will discuss one last person .... Stephen Hawkings.

Lots of people thought he was a genius only he also made the mistake of taking a spaced based argument back here to earth.

It is a classic argument around black holes it has a name the information paradox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_information_paradox

He lost the argument with Quantum Mechanics scientists as well and conceded he was wrong in 1997.

=>When announcing his result, Hawking also conceded the 1997 bet, paying Preskill with a baseball encyclopedia "from which information can be retrieved at will."

So to layman like yourself he is still a genius to me and many Quantum physicists he is just a funny little man in a wheelchair wrong like all the others before him.

THE LESSON HERE IS BE VERY CAREFUL BRINGING ARGUEMENTS FROM SPACE WHICH YOU CAN'T TEST AND INSIST THEY ARE RIGHT AGAINST THINGS THAT CAN BE TESTED HERE ON EARTH.

Science took on Einstein, it took on Stephen Hawkings do you really think it cares about the stupidity of Maciej Marosz.

The answer is clear you were all wrong!!!! ... science only cares what is right not who promotes it.

To his credit Stephen Hawkings worked out he was wrong, Einstein never made the realization and wasted the last 30 years of his life ... which group will Maciej Marosz be in?

And you answer to the double slit experiment above:
http://phys.org/news/2011-06-quantum-physics-photons-two-slit-interferometer.html

=> With this new experiment, the researchers have succeeded for the first time in experimentally reconstructing full trajectories which provide a description of how light particles move through the two slits and form an interference pattern.


That work won most of the science awards for 2011
http://mag.digitalpc.co.uk/Olive/ODE/physicsworld/LandingPage/LandingPage.aspx?

=>The 2011 Physics World Breakthrough of the Year has been awarded to Aephraim Steinberg and colleagues from the University of Toronto in Canada, who have, for the first time, tracked the average paths of single photons passing through a Young’s double-slit experiment. It was previously thought that individual photons cannot be tracked as they travel through the slits to create an interference pattern. However, Steinberg and colleagues used an emerging technique called “weak measurement” to know which way the photons went (Science 332 1170).

I did warn you there are thousands of experiments science have done with light smile

Surely it has to have sunk in that science knows a hell of a lot more about light than Maciej Marosz is ever going to know.


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 12:00 PM)
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#50248 - 11/05/13 12:18 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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IN MY ABOVE POST I SHOWED YOU

[b]Option 1


or

Option 2


what Is Your Opinion ?

STOP WRITE MANY WORDS ABOUT NOTHING !!! I wait for arguments and opinion that You choice !!!

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#50249 - 11/05/13 12:23 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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option 1

......Point 1 .......Source -------> V1
........i
........i
........i
.......single photon
........i
........i
........i
....................SENSOR --------> V1

single photon started in point 1 in past
after short time sensor and source have new position in space

single photon will never touch the sensor reason is V1 !


option 2
single photon has got mass
(inertia similar problem we feel inside car that is moving )

......Point 1 .........Source....-------> V1
........i
........i
........i
...................single photon --------> V1
........i
........i
........i
.......................SENSOR.. --------> V1

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#50250 - 11/05/13 12:25 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: newton]
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Originally Posted By: newton

IN MY ABOVE POST I SHOWED YOU

[b]Option 1


or

Option 2


what Is Your Opinion ?

STOP WRITE MANY WORDS ABOUT NOTHING !!! I wait for arguments and opinion that You choice !!!






There is NO OPTIONS ONLY THE ANSWER:

And you answer to the double slit experiment above:
http://phys.org/news/2011-06-quantum-physics-photons-two-slit-interferometer.html

=> With this new experiment, the researchers have succeeded for the first time in experimentally reconstructing full trajectories which provide a description of how light particles move through the two slits and form an interference pattern.


That work won most of the science awards for 2011
http://mag.digitalpc.co.uk/Olive/ODE/physicsworld/LandingPage/LandingPage.aspx?

=>The 2011 Physics World Breakthrough of the Year has been awarded to Aephraim Steinberg and colleagues from the University of Toronto in Canada, who have, for the first time, tracked the average paths of single photons passing through a Young’s double-slit experiment. It was previously thought that individual photons cannot be tracked as they travel through the slits to create an interference pattern. However, Steinberg and colleagues used an emerging technique called “weak measurement” to know which way the photons went (Science 332 1170).

NO OPTION ON HOW YOU THINK IT WORKS .. YOU CAN TRACK HOW IT WORKS.


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 12:26 PM)
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#50251 - 11/05/13 12:27 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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Dear Orac In Your LINK we have

"Observing the Average !!! Trajectories of Single Photons in a Two-Slit Interferometer"


PLEASE USE CONSTANT MOTION V1 and build in Your brain model NOTHIG IS AVERAGE

AVERAGE ? F.... WHY AVERAGE NOT ABSOLUTE
temperature oscylation , mechanical shape tolerance ?

+/- how many mm slite they USE F.... AVERAGE



2+2 = 4 average 3,5 or 4,5 ?


BELOW MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT AVERAGE ?
WHERE WAS LAB time of the test ?

------> 30 km/s ( average reason )

------> 220 km/s (more biger average reason )

---------------------------------> 627 km/s ???






Edited by newton (11/05/13 12:42 PM)

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#50252 - 11/05/13 12:29 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: newton]
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It doesn't work anything like how you think.

That's why I can't answer question I gave you the answer.

Stop being a drop kick and read.
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#50253 - 11/05/13 12:32 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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Here do you want me to show you how stupid you question his

ITS CALLED WHEELER DELAY CHOICE EXPERIMENT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler's_delayed_choice_experiment

=>Wheeler's delayed choice experiment is a thought experiment in quantum physics proposed by John Archibald Wheeler in 1978.[1] The results Wheeler predicted have since been confirmed by actual experiment


Wheeler's experiment is a variation on the famous double-slit experiment. In Wheeler's version, the method of detection used in the experiment can be changed after a photon passes the double slit, so as to delay the choice of whether to detect the path of the particle, or detect its interference with itself.

I can change the result of your experiment later in time.


Get it the result of the experiment can be changed long after the photon passes through the slit.


There is no easy way to explain this all to you I am afraid ... it's called Quantum Mechanics.


It doesn't work anything like what you think so your question is sort of stupid.


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 12:33 PM)
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#50254 - 11/05/13 12:42 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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Hopefully you will have read and realized the drawing you are showing on screen may on may not happen.

The pattern will collapse to a very different one if you try and measure anything.

It's one of the weird things about Quantum Mechanics that measurement itself can change things.

That is the most tested experiment in science and there is no easy answer I can give you without talking about Quantum Mechanics.

The image you have put on screen is only one of two possibilities and it will only occur if you aren't measuring anything.

So me trying to answer at your level of layman physics .... I can't answer it because lots of weird things can happen in that picture.


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 12:44 PM)
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#50255 - 11/05/13 12:46 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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........SOURECE >>>> V1 motion
........
........
........
........
........
........ 150 000 000 km distance
........
........
........
........
........
........
........ TWO SLITS >>>> V1 motion


DISTNANS AND V1 MOTION NOT WORK ?

WHERE ARE TWO SLITS
WHERE IS SINGLE PHOTON

AVERAGE I CAN TELL YOU F... IT WILL NOT HIT TWO SLITS

AVERAGE THEY HAVE RIGHT

MANY AVERAGE INTELIGENT PEOPLE GRADUATE STUDY LIKE YOU !!!

STOP STOP F... ABUT OTHER OLD EXPERIMENTS and USE YOU BRAIN NOT AVRAGE DATA !!! 150 000 000 km ? average single photon will be in two slits ? How far from place where photon started
are slits ????




Edited by newton (11/05/13 12:50 PM)

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#50256 - 11/05/13 12:53 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: newton]
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Do you understand that the pattern will change just by you observing it?

That is why you wont find a photograph of it other than on a reflective screen.

Want to know something weirder you can do the same trick with electrons, protons and any other particle

here:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/mar/14/feynmans-double-slit-experiment-gets-a-makeover


>>> Electrons travelling through two slits and a single slit <<<

I am sorry this is going to get all a bit beyond you all particles do the trick and interfere with themselves.


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 12:55 PM)
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#50257 - 11/05/13 12:58 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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The usual response is like this

http://www.highexistence.com/this-will-mindfuck-you-the-double-slit-experiment/

There is no easy way to explain all this to you and that is why we don't try. Quantum Mechanics involves all complex mathematics because we really do have to deal with this stuff.

However Quantum Mechanics is built on thousands of experiments not a pile of mathematics.

The universe really is a lot different to how you imagined it and the childish physics we teach you at school smile


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 01:00 PM)
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#50258 - 11/05/13 01:01 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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Quntum Mechanic ( two slits ) work only in LAB

LARGE DISTANCE ??? we can not use QUANTUM MECHANIC ?

DEAR ORAC DO YOU SEE HOW NORROW IS PHYSICS WITHOUT CONSTANT MOTION PROBLEM ?

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#50259 - 11/05/13 01:04 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: newton]
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Go to wheelers delayed choice experiment it was done with light from a star many many light years away laugh

See the problem Quantum Mechanics holds across space that was Stephen Hawkings problem too smile
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#50260 - 11/05/13 01:06 PM Re: LUX says no to most dark matter [Re: Orac]
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If you learnt nothing else you learnt what Quantum mechanics is about ... your immediate dislike of it you probably understand why Einstein didn't like it.

However it appears to be a truth about the universe one no experiment has ever shown to be wrong.

NONE of us like Quantum mechanics but we can't ignore it just because we don't like it.


Edited by Orac (11/05/13 01:06 PM)
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