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I have read that every American Citizen owes the federal reserve system a total of 16 + trillion dollars.

I owe a portion of that debt personally !!!
because I am an American Citizen.




since American citizens hold the debt to the federal reserve system then when an American citizen files for bankruptcy he
should no longer owe his portion of that debt.

remember the debt is not a debt owed by a single entity it is a debt owed by all American's.

so how can the federal reserve system survive in a nation
where a large percentage of the population must go bankrupt
in order to have a fresh start financially.

we never hear that the National debt has decreased because of people filing for bankruptcy.

so how does this work?

is the debt not really a debt to the People of America?

because the only other way that the National debt would not decrease due to bankruptcy fillings would be if the debt is
placed upon everyone else who has not filled for bankruptcy.

and if the above were the case then the tax rate for the people who have not filed bankruptcy should be greater than for those who have filed bankruptcy because it is the taxes that are used to pay this debt , but that has not been shown to have occurred.

when a bankruptcy is completed the debtor no longer has
a creditor , meaning that ALL of his debts have been forgiven
by the Federal Government as Governed by the State that the debtor resides in.

so the Federal Government has the ability to forgive ALL debts
owed by the American Citizen's.

yet when someone files for bankruptcy he does not need to
list the federal reserve system as a creditor.

someone filling for bankruptcy should list the federal reserve system as a creditor because he owes the federal reserve system his portion of the National debt owed to the federal reserve system.

and when his debts are forgiven by the Federal Government that
portion of the National debt should be stricken from the amount
of debt that the Nation has accumulated over the years.

In finance there's always a risk factor involved , when a finance company lends a person an amount of money it is taking
a risk on that person , it loans that person money in hopes
that the money will be repaid with interest.

however the debt that the citizen's of America have acquired
is not attached to any risk whatsoever.

if ALL American Citizens were to file bankruptcy this would
not affect the federal reserve system.

even though the loans granted to the Federal government are
payable by the American People , the People would still owe
16 + trillion dollars to the federal reserve system.

I truly believe that it is in this Nations best interest to
return to Congress the power to make its own money
and the United States Treasury should charge 16 + trillion dollars for the Blood that Americans have shed in the many wars against and for the British and German's who we owe this
16+ trillion dollars to.

that said , the federal reserve system is un Constitutional
and should be abolished.

its also a ponzi scheme and its crooked.

Glen Beck has not been assassinated yet , but his FOX network tv show was assassinated because of the below Glen Beck Show
episode.

I must admit he has ball's , its too bad that we don't have many politicians with ball's.



I once called Glen Beck one of the three stoogies.

Hannity , Limbaugh , and Beck.

until I began to dig into what they were saying , I now
know that Glen Beck is not a stooge.


Oh My Goodness !!!



the below video explains why there are only a few politicians
with ball's who are willing to stand up to the federal reserve
system.

they're all in bed with them , they're all crooks , but when
they perpetrate a crime it's legal.

we need to just start over , and wipe the record of all the laws that protect politicians from receiving bribery donations
from any entity or those that protect politicians who through
their influence or inside information gain money personally.


in fact we should cleanse the government of all incumbent politicians , and not allow any politician to receive campaign
donations but each candidate should receive a government allotted amount to be used for his campaign and no other funds
should legally be used , even his own funding should be illegal.

and the candidates should be nominated by the people , not by the party to which they belong.

its clear that our system of governance is corrupt beyond repair and the only reasonable thing to do is to rebuild it
from the ground up.

this type of thing might even involve something similar to martial law , unless the People begin to realize that they
are the only ones that can deliver any real change for the good of America.







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Since when did the pluralization of an English word involve an apostrophe? Words are made plural by simply adding "s" to the end. Occasionally the plural may be formed by adding "es" (potatoes, Joneses). Apostrophes signal the deletion of one or more letters, and an apostrophe before an "s" usually signals that it is an abbreviation of the word "is" or "has". It's very distracting to read when someone uses an apostrophe to pluralize a noun. Use apostrophes to indicate possessive case, or to signal that letters have been deleted to form a contraction. Not to form simple plurals.


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How bout me writing the way that I was taught to write , and you
can write the way that you write.

let's check this .(..)

American's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American's_Creed

Citizen's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest

German's
http://www.kraftrecipes.com/recipes/original-bakers-germans-sweet-chocolate-cake-51120.aspx

They're
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they're

Don't
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/don't

there's

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129387/

each of the above web sites has a contact e-mail where you could offer your instruction on what you believe the correct
punctuation should be on their web site.

tell them you are a moderator on the Science a gogo's discussion forums
and you wanted to point your finger at their mistakes.

this

1) welcome to the science a gogo discussion forums.

2) you can find more in the catalog attributes.

3) this book has pages.

not

1) welcome to the science a gogo's discussion forums.

2) you can find more in the catalog's attributes.

3) this book's has pages.


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Not to get in a slanging match with you, but American's, Citizen's and German's are all using "s" in the possessive case, not plural. "They're" uses an apostrophe to indicate the omitted letter "a" in "are". Also, too often it is confused with "their" (signalling a possession or attribute of something) and "there", which indicates where something is. "Don't" and "there's" are contractions with the apostrophe signifying a deleted letter or letters.

It would be correct to say "a moderator on Science-a-Gogo's forum", omitting the word "the" which in this case is extraneous and changes the case of the word it modifies. If you must use the "the" in that phrase, simply deleting the "'s" at the end of the word makes it correct.

As for your second example 2), that is grammatically correct, if you are talking about the catalog, where "attributes" is a modifier of "catalog".

And of course, "this book's has pages" is utter nonsense.


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Quote:
It would be correct to say "a moderator on Science-a-Gogo's forum", omitting the word "the" which in this case is extraneous and changes the case of the word it modifies.


I agree however there is no reason to use the
(en dash) punctuation marks in the above sentence.

everyone here probably knows that Science a gogo is merely
the name of this particular web site , and there is no other web site with the same name , therefore the name itself should always strive to be be singular in any context of type written word.

the Science a gogo discussion forums are not singular as there are several forums in the discussion forum.

in the same manner that a book is a collection of many chapters and each chapter has many pages , the Science a gogo discussion forum has many forums within it , but should be written as singular when pointing to the collection of forums inside the forum.

it is true that forums denotes more than one forum.
but science a gogo is like the name of a book.
the book has forums within it , that are like
chapters within a book, each forum has threads in it that are like pages within a chapter in a book.

Welcome to Science a GoGo's Discussion Forums

as in Welcome to book's chapters.

the proper wording should be.

welcome to the science a gogo discussion forums.
(when pointing to the many forums or chapters)
or

welcome to the science a gogo discussion forum.
(when only pointing to the collection of forums)


The name itself denotes that this web site is a gathering place for people who like to consider that science is a feminine form of exotic dance and art.

as in



So, the name Science a gogo describes a place where the
people who enjoy Science can shed the everyday toil and
grind of science and can relax and have fun as fun replaces
the ho hum atmosphere of science.

but even in the above gogo club , that if I'm correct was once a popular night club in Chicago when disco was exiting
and trance was emerging there was always someone trying to ruin the fun but the overall atmosphere was like a collective
negotiation of the senses and the resultant sensation was as if everyone melted into a singularity of rhythm and dance and art.


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Paul, I am sure you will forgive me if I "bragg" and perhaps ramble, a little: The news about the invention of the US Fed is old news to many!

Years ago, a number of us, with the newly-founded, FAMILY LIFE FOUNDATION www.flfcanada.com --founded in 1973--were very much aware aware of this. That was in the seventies, and especially in the 1980s & 1990s--times of booms and busts.

THE FEDERAL ELECTION IN CANADA IN 1993
In 1993 I became one of the first members of a new party, The Abolitionist Party (TAP), which registered for the election that year.

TAP had one goal: In keeping with the Canadian democratic system of government, the TAP proposed that, the BANK OF CANADA be brought under the direct control of the elected members of the Parliament of Canada; that it would abolish interest on money and establish the use of the dividend system as the just way of making money and using money. Interestingly, some of what we advocated in now being implemented--a low-cost money supply. But did they--Liberals, Conservatives (now) give TAP any credit? NOOOoooooooooooo....way!

BTW, See Matthew 25. It is a Parable of Jesus about: Three Servants (stewards--the Greek is like ECONOMIST). It is about what I like to call a dividend-based, merit-based and democratic kind of capitalism--NOT about the USURY-BASED kind. Verse 27, or about getting "bank interest" is pure sarcasm. Judaism was totally opposed to having interest on money. See Deuteronomy 23:19 and following.

BTW 2, calling the Canadian federal bank THE BANK OF CANADA (BOC) is a total misnomer. It is really the special bank of the private few and chartered banks of Canada.

The ruling party in power at any given time--usually the Liberals, or the Conservatives (NOW--allows the BOC--a crown corporation--to create money out of thin air, which the BOC then loans to private banks at prime (the lowest possible interest rate). Then the private banks are free to retail their loan to borrowers, at rates usually set by the market and what is happening to inflation.

BTW 3, our word 'economics' comes from the Greek, OIKONOMIA. OIKOS is the Greek for house. NOMOS is the Greek for rules of. Therefore the word literally means the rules of the house. We translate it as 'steward'--a keeper (manager or steward) of the animal stys. From it we get 'stewardship'.
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UP TO DATE FINANCIAL NEWS from the BOC
The Bank of Canada maintains overnight rate target at 1 per cent
Press Release - Ottawa

The Bank of Canada today announced that it is maintaining its target for the overnight rate at 1 per cent. The Bank Rate is correspondingly 1 1/4 per cent and the deposit rate is 3/4 per cent.
17 July 2013
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1 month, 1.13%, 1.13%, 0.00 ... Government of Canada marketable bonds - average yield - over 10 years, 2.89%, 2.93%, +0.04.
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Most think of the charging interest as part of doing GOOD business. It IS, for those with the money and the power to use it.

There are others who say,THE CHARGING OF INTEREST IS A FORM OF FRAUD

In 1993, TAP, The Abolitionist Party--Like Aristotle, other philosophers, Judaism, Christianity until recent time and, of course, Islam--advocated NO USURY--that is, no interest of any amount is to be charged for the use of money's time.

Why so?

It is NOT good for business, especially for those in the hard working middle classes, the poor, the unemployed, the under employed and the elderly.

However, the rich and powerful love charging interest. They use it to hold on to their wealth, and even to increase it, without having to do any actual physical work.

Leaders who see the evil of usury see interest as the prime enemy of fiat--what bank notes call "LEGAL TENDER"--currency.

It is the primary cause of inflation, which can devastate the savings of the middle class, especially the elderly.

I repeat: Over time it lessens the value of fiat-generated representative money--the legal-tender kind made of paper with a number on it.

Before paper money was invented all money in the form of something of practical value that people could use--animals, skins, furs, bones, products from the land and sea, especial minerals and metals, gold, silver, copper and the like ...

Now, it is not hard to imagine what happened to the value of the gold and silver coins when owners melted them down and added metals of lesser value to them. Historians say that it was one of prime causes of the fall of the Roman Paper. By the time the empire fell, it is recorded that a coin of Roman gold was mostly lead, dipped in melted gold--a total fraud on the average citizen.

No wonder Jesus turned over the table on the money-changers at the Temple--John 2:13 ... Matt.21: 12.... They were thieves! He said so. This--the fact that he exposed them as the frauds they were--is what got him arrested and executed. It was not his GOOD NEWS about the possibility of justice, peace and prosperity for all--such is now up to us, eh! smile

Sure the weight per unit can be made to be the same, but the value isn't there. We call the mixing of lead and copper with gold--that is, debasing its real value--an act of fraud. Interestingly, the Hebrew for interest is NESHEK. It simply means to take a bite, and keep on biting until nothing of value is left--another way of saying, it is a fraud.


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heres something interesting , there is a cube of apx 67 meters
of gold in the world above ground.
this works out to
5,799,312,166,000 grams of gold in the world.

186,452,215,721. troy oz of gold in the world

$247,906,866,023,209.34 U.S. dollar's worth of gold in the world with a gold price of $1330.00 an troy ounce, I think.

247 trillion

before the federal reserve system created inflation of the dollar through interest bearing loans to the worlds governments.

gold was $20.00 an ounce.

$3,729,044,314,420.00 U.S. dollar's worth of gold in the world.

3 trillion

247 trillion vs 3 trillion !!!


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