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Below My Idea how to use FUKO's Pendulum

( In books we have that Equator is neurtal for pendulum -"zero Earth's omega efect" )

below I show main idea Plastycyline 30 km/s + Vo ( test 1 )

test 2 ( the same pendulum and alpha but 30 km/s - Vo )

I would like to confirm how cooperate doppler's efect for light (left side of my jpg ) and classical mechanic ( right side - Train Vo and train 10Vo ) we schould see some alpha and beta angle




Why above is very important ???

TIME ? CLOCK ? TIME CHANGE ???

Clock that use long rope and mass m
( FUKO's pendulum but on EQUATOR !!!)

( please read more about Fuko's pendulum books or web
Equator eliminate Earth's omega )


Fact 1

1.1 Near ground this clock will work faster

1.2 inside Airplane this clock will work slower


What is the reason ?

Gravitation forces and distance R to Earth's center !!!
Lower forces = that mass m not accelerate the same way

Fact 2
the same clock but inside two different trains ( drawing at the end of TXT )

train 1 Vo speed ?
train 2 10 x Vo speed ?

alpha angle - the same
ropes - long the same
mass m - the same
Ep - potencial energy the same

Inside train 2 clock will work slower because mass m has got different speed respect to stationary point ( point 1 , ... 2 .... n l )

HOW TO ELIMINATE " TIME CHANGE efect " ( famous Einstein TIME change )

please set the same clock but perpendicular not parallel to train's velocity

please repeat test inside train 3

1000000000000000000 x Vo

perpendicular direction can eliminate RELATIVE EFECT ?

Do you mean "Foucault's pendulum"?

Yes
FUKO's pendulum =Foucault's pendulum
(sorry for English )

I think that doppler's efect for light it is not only RED/BLUE
shift but something more :

LUMENS per AREA shift ( similar efect we can measure Foucault's pendulum )



First test in home ( ENERGY front /Energy rear )
camera see different brightness +30 km/s or - 30 km/s ( earth around sun )





WHY I WANT TO TEST THIS

below words I copied from book ( physics )

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis:

any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments

(it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).

In pursuing these ideas Galileo used the scientific method (Sec. 1.2.1): he derived consequences of this hypothesis and determined whether they agree with the predictions.

This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s),

and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s).

Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .

*** I have one IDEA ( doppler efect = not only red/blue but kinethic energy give different VIBRATION DENSITY )



The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."


***Very Important question ?
SUN is giving light in point 1 ( light need about 500 sec to touch the Earth ) How many LUMENS per AREA we feel ???




FUKO's pendulum AND TIME DILATATION ???

inside airplane pendulum slown down reason is lover gravitation
forces ( distans to Earth is Huge )

near ground pendulum work faster


Velocity Vo and 10 Vo ???

Parallel direction or perpendicular ???
Parallel we can measure different ( LONGER PERIOD ) if Vo rise up !!! but perpendicular direction is resistance for relativity ?




MY IDEA HOW LOOK BLACK HOLE ? ( what is it )

GALILEO VS MAROSZ

I copied from books

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis:

any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments

(it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).

In pursuing these ideas Galileo used the scientific method (Sec. 1.2.1): he derived consequences of this hypothesis and determined whether they agree with the predictions.

This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s)"

***MAROSZ
We can not measured velocity in reference to some objects !!!
IMPORTANT is only kinetic ENERGY !!!

ALL BODIES has got some KINETIC ENERGY ( this energy is special
information that we can measure !!!

Experiment with plastycyline ( INSIDE TRAIN WE NO NEED WINDOW we not see other bodies and we not measure in reference to some object!!!!




MAROSZ VS NEWTON

NEWTON
F2 -----> m <------F1 F1 = F2

F1, F2 - inertia ( resistance that feel finger )


MAROSZ

F2 -----> m <------- F1 -----------> Vo>0

( speed respect to stationary point )

F1 < F2


Perpendicular direction to mass m we always can use NEWTON
but Parallel to Vo ???? NOT !!!

KINETIC ENERGY = INERTIA ( resistance )

more easy is slown down ?

m=1kg

Vo = 1 m/s ( respect to stationary 3D space )

How many Energy I need to stop mass m

m*Vo*V0/2 = 1/2 Joul

How many Energy I need to change mass m speed from 1 m/s to 2 m/s

1 kg * 2m/s *2m/s /2 = 2 Joules


EINSTEN VS MAROSZ

TODAY on OTHER FORUM I DESCRIBED VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION

EINSTEIN can HELP YOU understand RED /BLUE SHIFT but TO UNDERSTAN QUALITY of signal ( LUMINOUSITY ) You can USE my TEST


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YOU NEED BASIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PHOTOGRAPFY all is below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inverse_square_law.svg

Point source S is radiating light equally in all directions. The amount passing through an area A varies with the distance of the surface from the light.

( I'm here if You want to ask I will sent You more links to books ) LUMINOUSITY = ENERGY per AREA
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WE HAVE THREE SITUATIONS ALL GIVE THE SAME RED SHIFT

SITUATION A

(S.)

WE ------> Vo .............. STAR------->Vo + Vs


SITUATION B

(S.)

Vs <---------WE.............. STAR ( zero speed )

SITUATION C

(S.)

Vo1<---------WE..............STAR---------->Vs1

[Vo1+Vs1 =Vs ]

HOW TO RECOGNIZE A or B or C ??????????

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OK lets start I want to know " I'm moving or star "


1) BULB--------1000mm-----------PHOTOCAMERA

we use 9x stronger bulb 2 ( POWER )


2) BULB2---------3000mm---------PHOTOCAMERA


(.S) - stationary point in the UNIVERSE

Vo - velocity respect to stationary point in the universe


SITUATION A

Vo = ZERO

(.S)

1) BULB--------1000mm-----------PHOTOCAMERA


2) BULB2---------3000mm---------PHOTOCAMERA


1*) photocamera register brightness X
2*) photocamera register brightness X

X=X


SITUATION B

Vo > ZERO

(.S)

1) BULB--------1000mm-----------PHOTOCAMERA ------------->Vo


2) BULB2---------3000mm---------PHOTOCAMERA ------------->Vo


1*) photocamera register brightness Y
2*) photocamera register brightness Z

FACT 1 : Y>Z

WHY Y>Z ?

1730 J. Bradley astronomy aberration ( read in wiki )

1) light need time t1 for distance 1000 mm
2) light need time t2 for distance 3000 mm

t2>t1

THE SAME VELOCITY Vo for 1) and 2) but we have t2 >t1

during time t1 photocamera in situation 1) will escape L1 distance

during time t2 photocamera in situation 2) will escape L2 distance

L2>L1 because Vo is the same for 1) and 2)


PLEASY STUDY BELOW PICTURE





WHY CAMERA NOT REGISTERED RED/BLUE SHIFT ?

becasue sensor and source are moving with the same speed Vo respect to (S.)
stationary point


WHY WE SEE NOT THE SAME POWER ( NOT THE SAME BRIGHTNESS OF PICTURES)?

because for photography distance is very important !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inverse_square_law.svg

Point source S is radiating light equally in all directions. The amount passing through an area A varies with the distance of the surface from the light.


IF YOU UNDERSTANT ABOVE PLEASE DESCRIBE YOURSELF BELOW SITUATION
(use the same rules )

PHOTOCAMERA -----------1000mm---------------BULB ------------> Vo>0

PHOTOCAMERA -----------------3000mm--------------------BULB ------------> Vo>0

SOMEONE WHO LIKE MR E can USE HIS EQUATIONS HE WILL HAVE THE SAME RESOULTS !!!

Wiki definition how work Bulb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inverse_square_law.svg


Marosz's Drawing

( left side A is not my I copied from book )




Dear Mr Einstein

HOW MANY LUMENS PER AREA will see observator C and D ( the same or not )


please think about two situation

A rocket's velocity Vo = ZERO respect to stationary point (1.)


I know or not ? FACT 1 : rocket and Source were in point 1

for distance Y light need time t1 Yes or Not

t1 and rocket ??? rocket wait for light or is moving ???

B rocket velocity Vo = C



VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION : HOW MANY LUMENS per AREA will register OBSERVATOR A and B

IMPORTANT IS ROCKET POSITION

1) rocket started signal in center position
A------3Y-----BULB------3Y-------B

2)
A------5Y-----BULB---1Y---B

Observator A see lower power ( lower brightness) ?
B see higher power ?

DOPPLER RED/BLUE SHIFT ONLY ?
or
the same LUMENS but not the same AREA ( MAROSZ ) + DOPPLER


Observators A and B are not moving coordination system where are A and B is stationary has got ZERO kinetic ENERGY respect to stationary space

FUKO's pendulum in all directions inside coordination system A-B has got the same period ( not exist any special direction )

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ufMRP8MllFs/UXtp...s1600/train.JPG


CAN WE EVALUATE ROCKET's VELOCITY WITHOUT WINDOWS ???

and be inside rocket ?
( not compare to outside objects our own velocity and position in the universe )

C speed is absolute and constant in VACUUM ? YES !

I showed how to evaluate Vo and use only C speed
so ... ??? Vo is also absolute or not ?


Absolute speed ? respect to stationary space ? WHY WHAT FOR ?

...... ?


400 Years ago MR GALILEO TOLD SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis:

any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments

(it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).

In pursuing these ideas Galileo used the scientific method (Sec. 1.2.1): he derived consequences of this hypothesis and determined whether they agree with the predictions.

This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .

[color:#FF0000]The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."[/color]

MAROSZ
are we moving ? = can we measure different LUMENS per AREA
not can we see other bodies ( objects )

Newton, I'm not sure what your test is supposed to be showing. Is it to validate Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity? Or is it to demonstrate some problem with it? I apologize for not understanding your post, but it is a problem we run into with non-English speakers. If you explain what you are trying to test maybe I will be able to understand it better.

Bill Gill

Thank You Bill

I made in home test ( New method how to confirm velocity )


bulb ---------- camera ------> +30 km/s

camera -------- bulb ------> +30 km/s


Camera not see the same brightness ( Lumens per Area )

for photography very important is distance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inverse_square_law.svg

Point source S is radiating light equally in all directions. The amount passing through an area A varies with the distance of the surface from the light.


IN ALL BOOKS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE : IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOGNIZE OWN VELOCITY FROM INSIDE OWN COORDINATION SYSTEM

EINSTEIN : My speed respect to star

MAROSZ ( my test ) My speed respect to light C
I no need use star or other objects


How it work ?

bulb -------------(2a.)sensor ------->Vo

(1.)......... (2.)Bulb ------------(3.) sensor -------> Vo


bulb started signal in point (1) but sensor register light in point (3.) not in point (2a. )

Light need short time T1 to travel from (1.) to (3.) durnig time T1 sensor escape ( sensor not wait (Vo exist ) )


point (3.) = point (2a.) only if Vo = ZERO

what if Vo = C respect to point (1.)

how many lumens per area will see observ. D and C




below You can see my test in home YTube

http://youtu.be/XF_npmQ8kGY

First pictures brightness compare ( photoshop histogram):

west ( -30km/s ) and East (+30 km/s )

http://youtu.be/O9k-zidfJZg

This Is how I explain above




Right Now I would like to confirm classical mechanic test
Equator is very important ( there is position where I can eliminate Earth Omega )

I think that doppler = power shift also for INERTIA



what is it inertia ? for me it is global kinetic Energy
Energy respect to stationary and absolute space

NEWTON
F=ma is equal in all 3d direction

MAROSZ

---F1---> m <-----F2---- -------> Vo

Vo ( Earth's speed respect to stationary space


F1 > F2 Why ?


m =1kg
Vo = 1 m/s

how to stop mass m I must use m*Vo*Vo /2 energy

Ek1 = 1*1*1/2 = 1/2 J

I want to change mass m speed from 1 m/s to 2 m/s

Ek2 = 1*2*2/2 =2 J

Ek2-Ek1 = 3/2 J

3/2 J it is reason why F1>F2


I also have electric version experiments resistance +/- and -/+




ABOVE TEST AND IDEA CAN EXPLAIN ALSO WHY WE HAVE WINTER AND SAMMER ( 66.66 angle ) is not only one reason


WINTER SUMER AND SOLAR SYSTEM SPEED

Vo - speed respect to stationary 3D space


BULB --------150 000 000 km ------(photocamera ) / Vo=0

I'm taking picture camera time 1 s F8 ISO100 I register brightness X


(photocamera) --------150 000 000 km -------BULB / Vo=0

I'm taking picture camera time 1 s F8 ISO100 I register brightness X

X=X



WINTER

the same situation but exist Vo = Z that I don't know

BULB--------150 000 000 km -------(photocamera ) ---------------->Vo=Z



I'm taking picture camera time 1s F8 ISO100 I register brightness Y

Y<X

SUMMER ( 6 months later )

(photocamera) --------150 000 000 km -------BULB ---------------->Vo=Z


I'm taking picture camera time 1s F8 ISO100 I register brightness A

A >X > Y




SPECIAL INTERNAL SYSTEM AIRPLANE SPEED








NEW GPS SYSTEM ( zero satelites only astronomic time and special vectores - I think that I solve secret why BIG FISH use INFRASOUND )
















IN SHORT FUTURE CAN ELIMINATE RELATIVITY
BUT WE NEED PREPARE MORE TEST

Ok newton, I get the idea that you think that Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity (SRT) has some sort of error in it. Unfortunately you aren't going to be able to find any errors with any kind of simplistic setup such as you are showing. SRT has not just been tested, but it has been used for over 100 years now. So far every time it is tested/used things have worked just the way they were expected to work. If there are any errors they are not going to appear in a simple mechanical test. They will be found when somebody tries something new under extreme conditions. SRT has been tested so many times that people just automatically include it in any system where it is critical to the working of the system. And the systems always work in accordance with SRT.

So I hate to be a wet blanket, but you might as well give up. You just aren't going to be able to discredit SRT.

Bill Gill

Dear Bill


I know that it is important fact that explain SUMMER and WINTER

How it work ?

bulb -------------(2a.)sensor ------->Vo

(1.)......... (2.)Bulb ------------(3.) sensor -------> Vo


bulb started signal in point (1) but sensor register light in point (3.) not in point (2a. )

Light need short time T1 to travel from (1.) to (3.) durnig time T1 sensor escape ( sensor not wait (Vo exist ) )


point (3.) = point (2a.) only if Vo = ZERO

See below picture ( how works bulb )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inverse_square_law.svg

Point source S is radiating light equally in all directions. The amount passing through an area A varies with the distance of the surface from the light.

WINTER
SUN( bulb ) -----150 000 000 !!! ----- Earth -------> Vo

SUMMER

Earth -----150 000 000 !!! ----- SUN( bulb ) -------> Vo


LEFT SIDE OF PICTURE ( I copied from book - doppler for light please see that we have ring 1 respect to point 1 not respect to source that is moving )




What You think Sun and Earth are moving or not ?

Einstein told everything is moving ?

What You think RED SHIFT it is ALL


we..............star ----> I see red shift

<---- We........star I see the same red shift


<--We...........star --> I see the same red shift



Take bulb make test You will be sure what is Your kinetic energy - velocity and direction read below and please think


About Classical mechanic and relativity TIME

Pendulum near ground work faster
Pendulum inside airplane work slower

reason is distance to Earth ( lower grawitation forces = longer period )

Pendulum inside train 10Vo work slower than pendulum inside train Vo only !!!


PERPENDICULAR DIRECTION ? THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT DIRECTION
RESISTANCE FOR ANY SPEED !!!
( think why ?) please use very old equations ( classical ) but please write respect to stationary space not to Earth or train

What is it stationary space ? point where body was in past it is virtual point but exist and it is ok point to speak about velocity




I Not speak about NEW physics !!!
only people not understand CLASSIC but learn about light !!!