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#47024 - 12/24/12 12:06 AM Creationists and People
Mike Kremer Offline

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Registered: 10/16/04
Posts: 1696
Loc: London UK
Modern Creationism is a new Religion.
Its so new they have different cults, or ideas, as to how
God takes his place in our world.They dont seem to accept or care about any people that lived upon this Earth more than 6000 years ago.
Because Modern Young Earth Creationism, throw away any Scientific belief that the age of the Earth is older than 6000 years old. They literally believe in Adam and Eve (without navels) and all the Dinosaurs were created on day 1.
Since Genesis in the Bible states that God created all the animals and Man within a day.
That fossilization took only a few hundred years, and all the
major geologic features like the Grand Canyon were created in the days of Noah's Flood.

The Creationist Museum shows proof that man lived with the
Dinosaurs and even shows pictures of a Man riding and using a Dinosaurs to help till and plough the fields.
They do have one amazing fossilized Human and Dinosaur footprint, showing they lived and walked together.
I was told this particular human/dino fossil is always under armed guard, to prevent it being destroyed by unbelievers.

I suggest you carry on reading below first, as I will show you the amazing fossil, at the bottom of this page. Where you might want to linger?

I am not sure how Creationists can believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old....but here goes.

Fact
Since 4000 BC. up to todays date 2012 AD. = 6000 years in total.

Fact
Bishop Ussher stated that the world was created in 4004 BC.

Fact
Creationists, believing in a young Earth, agree that a 6000 year old Earth is about right.

Fact
If they believe that Adam and Eve were place upon this Earth in 4000 BC.
Then by 2500 BC the Earths population would total about 440.
Lets be generous, and assume half the Earth's population was living in Egypt.
Forgetting about the elderly and children. Some one had to build the 'Great Pyramid'.
This means that the Pyramid must have been built by about 40 men, who cut, quarried, dressed and moved 2,300,000 stone blocks, some of them weighed up to 50 tons over a period
of 40 years, to complete 'the Great Pyramid' within the Pharoah Kufu's lifetime. Thats about 4 blocks per man-day.

Go figure that even less men must have been used to build the smaller first Pyramid, some 200 years earlier, that would work out to about prehaps 20 men?
Remember just a few able-bodied men back in 3700 BC. were constructing the fortified cities of Mesopotamia, while the other 20 able-bodied men left in the World were constructing the Indus valley, Crete, and other world civilizations.

Later I will explain why the Creationists believe the Moon is very young since it only has a few inches of surface dust.....instead of the belief that the dust should be a few feet thick, comensurate with the belief that the Moon is wink
4.527 billion years,LOL sick
Not that its supposed to have dust feet thick. There is a perfectly logical explanation as to why its dust is only naturally inches thick. Now here comes your Xmas pudding
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.htm Supposedly verified as NOT a fake. Lets all have a Happy Xmas, and accept each others improbable differences. laugh Hehe
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#47025 - 12/24/12 01:13 AM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
Bill S. Offline
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Registered: 08/20/10
Posts: 3570
Loc: Essex, UK
If we give our creationist brethren the benefit of the doubt and assume that the fossil is to the best of their knowledge genuine; a few questions remain to be asked. For example:

Has the rock been dated?

Has it been examined by an independent palaeontologist?

Has there been an identification of the animal responsible for the footprint?

There is plenty of evidence that very large, flightless birds and humans co-existed. Has this been considered?

Plenty of things to consider, but a bottle of single malt makes a better subject for Christmas investigation.

Happy Christmas, everyone. Perhaps I should say: especially Paul, as I guess you have more claim to the joys and blessings of this season than most of us.
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#47031 - 12/24/12 03:45 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
paul Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
Modern Creationism is a new Religion.
Its so new they have different cults, or ideas, as to how
God takes his place in our world.They don't seem to accept or care about any people that lived upon this Earth more than 6000 years ago.
Because Modern Young Earth Creationism, throw away any Scientific belief that the age of the Earth is older than 6000 years old. They literally believe in Adam and Eve (without navels) and all the Dinosaurs were created on day 1.
Since Genesis in the Bible states that God created all the animals and Man within a day.

-------------------------
on day 1, LOL
try that again mike.

-------------------------

That fossilization took only a few hundred years, and all the
major geologic features like the Grand Canyon were created in the days of Noah's Flood.
-------------------------

exactly

-------------------------


The Creationist Museum shows proof that man lived with the
Dinosaurs and even shows pictures of a Man riding and using a Dinosaurs to help till and plough the fields.
They do have one amazing fossilized Human and Dinosaur footprint, showing they lived and walked together.
--------------------------
science says that the footprints of the humans were meerely other creatures
footprints that were made to look larger because of water , but they seem
to forget that this would make all dinosaur footprints appear to have
originated from tiny birds , made to look larger by water.

but science has the fossils of dinosaurs so they don't care.
but then again science doesn't have that magical link between ape and man
they only have assumption , of which the first 3 letters completely describe
the followers of this barrage of bullshit.

--------------------------

I was told this particular human/dino fossil is always under armed guard, to prevent it being destroyed by unbelievers.
--------------------------
I don't blame them at all , I think that is a reasonable thing
to do given that the follower's of the evolution religion might
want to destroy it to lessen the evidence against their beliefs.

doesn't the evolution religion keep their evidence under lock
and key in museum's and in the back rooms away from view?

--------------------------

I suggest you carry on reading below first, as I will show you the amazing fossil, at the bottom of this page. Where you might want to linger?

I am not sure how Creationists can believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old....but here goes.

Fact
Since 4000 BC. up to today's date 2012 AD. = 6000 years in total.

--------------------------
missing 12 years
big deal.
lets just say that 6000 years ago was 6000 years ago
and 2012 years ago was when AD began.
--------------------------


Fact
Bishop Ussher stated that the world was created in 4004 BC.

----------------------------

he was probably trying to fix somebody else's mistake

----------------------------


Fact
Creationists, believing in a young Earth, agree that a 6000 year old Earth is about right.

-----------------------------

NC

-----------------------------

Fact
If they believe that Adam and Eve were place upon this Earth in 4000 BC.
Then by 2500 BC the Earths population would total about 440.
-----------------------------
absolutely not , there's no way that the population could be calculated to
be that low over a time period of 1500 years.
----
which makes the
following in red entirely erroneous
-----------------------------



Lets be generous, and assume half the Earth's population was living in Egypt.
Forgetting about the elderly and children. Some one had to build the 'Great Pyramid'.
This means that the Pyramid must have been built by about 40 men, who cut, quarried, dressed and moved 2,300,000 stone blocks, some of them weighed up to 50 tons over a period
of 40 years, to complete 'the Great Pyramid' within the Pharoah Kufu's lifetime. Thats about 4 blocks per man-day.

Go figure that even less men must have been used to build the smaller first Pyramid, some 200 years earlier, that would work out to about prehaps 20 men?
Remember just a few able-bodied men back in 3700 BC. were constructing the fortified cities of Mesopotamia, while the other 20 able-bodied men left in the World were constructing the Indus valley, Crete, and other world civilizations.

end of erroneous comments

---------------------------

Later I will explain why the Creationists believe the Moon is very young since it only has a few inches of surface dust.....instead of the belief that the dust should be a few feet thick, comensurate with the belief that the Moon is
4.527 billion years,LOL
Not that its supposed to have dust feet thick. There is a perfectly logical explanation as to why its dust is only naturally inches thick.

--------------------------

excellent , this was mentioned several weeks go , I'm surprised you didn't post
the information back then , even so I am eagerly awaiting your explanation.

-------------------------


Now here comes your Xmas pudding
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.htm Supposedly verified as NOT a fake. Lets all have a Happy Xmas, and accept each others improbable differences. Hehe

--------------------------

yes Merry Christmas to all , even to those of you who should be ashamed
to celebrate a day associated with the birth of someone that you don't
even believe existed , a religion you curse on a daily basis.

I think atheist should all be forced to work on Christmas , LOL.
but that might attract the riff raff into the mix for that purpose alone.

atheist , I wonder how they celebrate Christmas , and why.

santa told me that he reads this forum , and that he was going to
give each of you a lump of coal , but decided that coal was too valuable
a gift.


so hes going to give all you atheist scientist types a nothing and let you make
what ever you can from it.

even santa's mad at you guys , you better watch out.
you better not pout , santa clause is comming to town.

muhahahahaha


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#47032 - 12/24/12 06:13 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: paul]
Neohippy Offline
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Registered: 12/04/12
Posts: 104
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: paul


yes Merry Christmas to all , even to those of you who should be ashamed
to celebrate a day associated with the birth of someone that you don't
even believe existed , a religion you curse on a daily basis.

I think atheist should all be forced to work on Christmas , LOL.
but that might attract the riff raff into the mix for that purpose alone.

atheist , I wonder how they celebrate Christmas , and why.

santa told me that he reads this forum , and that he was going to
give each of you a lump of coal , but decided that coal was too valuable
a gift.


so hes going to give all you atheist scientist types a nothing and let you make
what ever you can from it.

even santa's mad at you guys , you better watch out.
you better not pout , santa clause is comming to town.

muhahahahaha

[/color]


Couldn't be that the evil Christian overlords used this time frame to cover up those pesky old pagan celebrations... never.
Not like the solstice was celebrated for 5000 years or so before Christianity came along... no, that makes no sense.
Why celebrate a yearly death and rebirth of the world, when you can celebrate the birth of a poverty stricken carpenter, born to a woman who never consummated her marriage with her husband, but totally didn't cheat.

One of these ideas seems legit... hmmm...

OR, it may be, that religious, atheist, or both (as is my case), just like to have a time of the year when we all celebrate, and nuts to what goes on in your head, or in the sky.
Love, share, and be merry.

Happy Chrisanzaasticeukkah! Or whatever.

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#47034 - 12/24/12 06:44 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Neohippy]
paul Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
Quote:
the evil Christian overlords used this time frame to cover up those pesky old pagan celebrations...


I don't really know what they are but there not covered up , there just pesky old celebrations that no one seems to celebrate except a handful of people.

I don't even know that their pesky , so I guess I shouldn't have even said they
were pesky.

I wonder when the Christians will start throwing the atheist to the lion's
because their atheist, the way the atheist threw the Christians to the lion's because they were Christian's.

it must have been pretty bad to have such a weak religion that the follower's had to try and kill off the opposition.

like they are trying to kill off the opposition today with evolution.

we'll just wait and see who pull's through this time.

seem's to me that the odd's are pretty much against your team though.

survival of the fittest right?




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#47035 - 12/24/12 09:04 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: paul]
Bill Offline
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Registered: 12/31/10
Posts: 1858
Loc: Oklahoma, USA
Originally Posted By: Paul
I wonder when the Christians will start throwing the atheist to the lion's
because their atheist, the way the atheist threw the Christians to the lion's because they were Christian's.

Well, actually it wasn't atheists that threw the Christians to the lions. It was the people (the pagans) who worshiped other gods and the rulers who thought that the Christians were trouble makers because they refused to worship the emperors as gods.

Bill Gill

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#47037 - 12/24/12 09:43 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: paul]
Mike Kremer Offline

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Registered: 10/16/04
Posts: 1696
Loc: London UK
Originally Posted By: paul
Modern Creationism is a new Religion.
Its so new they have different cults, or ideas, as to how
God takes his place in our world.They don't seem to accept or care about any people that lived upon this Earth more than 6000 years ago.
Because Modern Young Earth Creationism, throw away any Scientific belief that the age of the Earth is older than 6000 years old. They literally believe in Adam and Eve (without navels) and all the Dinosaurs were created on day 1.
Since Genesis in the Bible states that God created all the animals and Man within a day.

-------------------------
on day 1, LOL
try that again mike.

-------------------------



That fossilization took only a few hundred years, and all the
major geologic features like the Grand Canyon were created in the days of Noah's Flood.
-------------------------

exactly

-------------------------


The Creationist Museum shows proof that man lived with the
Dinosaurs and even shows pictures of a Man riding and using a Dinosaurs to help till and plough the fields.
They do have one amazing fossilized Human and Dinosaur footprint, showing they lived and walked together.
--------------------------
science says that the footprints of the humans were meerely other creatures
footprints that were made to look larger because of water , but they seem
to forget that this would make all dinosaur footprints appear to have
originated from tiny birds , made to look larger by water.

but science has the fossils of dinosaurs so they don't care.
but then again science doesn't have that magical link between ape and man
they only have assumption , of which the first 3 letters completely describe
the followers of this barrage of bullshit.

--------------------------

I was told this particular human/dino fossil is always under armed guard, to prevent it being destroyed by unbelievers.
--------------------------
I don't blame them at all , I think that is a reasonable thing
to do given that the follower's of the evolution religion might
want to destroy it to lessen the evidence against their beliefs.

doesn't the evolution religion keep their evidence under lock
and key in museum's and in the back rooms away from view?

--------------------------

I suggest you carry on reading below first, as I will show you the amazing fossil, at the bottom of this page. Where you might want to linger?

I am not sure how Creationists can believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old....but here goes.

Fact
Since 4000 BC. up to today's date 2012 AD. = 6000 years in total.

--------------------------
missing 12 years
big deal.
lets just say that 6000 years ago was 6000 years ago
and 2012 years ago was when AD began.
--------------------------


Fact
Bishop Ussher stated that the world was created in 4004 BC.

----------------------------

he was probably trying to fix somebody else's mistake

----------------------------


Fact
Creationists, believing in a young Earth, agree that a 6000 year old Earth is about right.

-----------------------------

NC

-----------------------------

Fact
If they believe that Adam and Eve were place upon this Earth in 4000 BC.
Then by 2500 BC the Earths population would total about 440.
-----------------------------
absolutely not , there's no way that the population could be calculated to
be that low over a time period of 1500 years.
----
which makes the
following in red entirely erroneous
-----------------------------



Lets be generous, and assume half the Earth's population was living in Egypt.
Forgetting about the elderly and children. Some one had to build the 'Great Pyramid'.
This means that the Pyramid must have been built by about 40 men, who cut, quarried, dressed and moved 2,300,000 stone blocks, some of them weighed up to 50 tons over a period
of 40 years, to complete 'the Great Pyramid' within the Pharoah Kufu's lifetime. Thats about 4 blocks per man-day.

Go figure that even less men must have been used to build the smaller first Pyramid, some 200 years earlier, that would work out to about prehaps 20 men?
Remember just a few able-bodied men back in 3700 BC. were constructing the fortified cities of Mesopotamia, while the other 20 able-bodied men left in the World were constructing the Indus valley, Crete, and other world civilizations.

end of erroneous comments

---------------------------

Later I will explain why the Creationists believe the Moon is very young since it only has a few inches of surface dust.....instead of the belief that the dust should be a few feet thick, comensurate with the belief that the Moon is
4.527 billion years,LOL
Not that its supposed to have dust feet thick. There is a perfectly logical explanation as to why its dust is only naturally inches thick.

--------------------------

excellent , this was mentioned several weeks go , I'm surprised you didn't post
the information back then , even so I am eagerly awaiting your explanation.

-------------------------


Now here comes your Xmas pudding
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.htm Supposedly verified as NOT a fake. Lets all have a Happy Xmas, and accept each others improbable differences. Hehe

--------------------------

yes Merry Christmas to all , even to those of you who should be ashamed
to celebrate a day associated with the birth of someone that you don't
even believe existed , a religion you curse on a daily basis.

I think atheist should all be forced to work on Christmas , LOL.
but that might attract the riff raff into the mix for that purpose alone.

atheist , I wonder how they celebrate Christmas , and why.

santa told me that he reads this forum , and that he was going to
give each of you a lump of coal , but decided that coal was too valuable
a gift.


so hes going to give all you atheist scientist types a nothing and let you make
what ever you can from it.

even santa's mad at you guys , you better watch out.
you better not pout , santa clause is comming to town.

muhahahahaha



Originally Posted By: Mike Kremer

Mike Kremer says ...I repeat what I said in my opening:-
"Modern Creationism is a new Religion.
Its so new they have different cults, or ideas, as to how
God takes his place in our world.
They dont seem to accept or care about any people that lived upon this Earth more than 6000 years ago."

In fact they don't even consider that people lived upon this Earth earlier than 6000 years ago.
What kind of beliefs is this new unscientific religion trying to get the poor gullible to accept?


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#47038 - 12/24/12 10:00 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
Bill Offline
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Registered: 12/31/10
Posts: 1858
Loc: Oklahoma, USA
Originally Posted By: Mike Kremer
Now here comes your Xmas pudding
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.htm Supposedly verified as NOT a fake. Lets all have a Happy Xmas, and accept each others improbable differences. laugh Hehe

Well, I did a quick search and it didn't take long to find a non-creationist site that discusses the Delk Print.

The Paluxy Web Site does a pretty good analysis of the print based on the photographs provided by Delk. The author doesn't think much of it. He has a bunch of problems that he has seen just with the photos. Basically he figures it is just one more fake footprint among many.

Bill Gill
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C is the universal speed limit.

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#47039 - 12/24/12 11:43 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Bill]
paul Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
Quote:
He has a bunch of problems that he has seen just with the photos.


well the analysis of the prints sounded pretty good
and that would reveal a lot more that just looking.

Quote:
Scientific Verification of Footprint Authenticity:
The fossil was transported to a professional laboratory where 800 X-rays were performed in a CT Scan procedure. Laboratory technicians verified compression and distribution features clearly seen in both prints, human and dinosaur. This removes any possibility that the prints were carved or altered.


that doesnt sound like its a fake to me.




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3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.

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#47040 - 12/24/12 11:51 PM Re: Creationists are really nice People [Re: Mike Kremer]
paul Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
Quote:
What kind of beliefs is this new unscientific religion trying to get the poor gullible to accept?


and we ask this new unscientific evolution the same question!

why do you personally think different?

there must be a reason you can discuss.

and when will you be posting the moon dust proof?


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3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.

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#47041 - 12/25/12 12:32 AM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Bill]
paul Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
Quote:
because they refused to worship the emperors as gods.


that's sort of the way you pagan people made me feel when
I didn't bow down and blindly worship your god or evolution's
new emperor lenski
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3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.

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#47042 - 12/25/12 01:49 AM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
Bill S. Offline
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Registered: 08/20/10
Posts: 3570
Loc: Essex, UK
Reading through this thread I found myself thinking: "here goes another thread, circling the drain of non-verifiable/non-falsifiable belief sets".

Then I looked back at the OP and realised that that was precisely where it started.

WOW! Still on topic after 11 posts! Must be the influence of Christmas.
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#47043 - 12/25/12 03:36 AM Re: Creationists and People [Re: paul]
Mike Kremer Offline

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Registered: 10/16/04
Posts: 1696
Loc: London UK
Originally Posted By: paul
[quote]because they refused to worship the emperors as gods.

Originally Posted By: paul

Paul said:-
"that's sort of the way you pagan people made me feel when
I didn't bow down and blindly worship your god or evolution's
new emperor lenski"



Originally Posted By: Mike Kremer


Hang a min paul...thats a bit naughty saying that.
I would suggest that all the Paganism is on your side.
You as a confirmed Creationist believe that some intelligent design produced order, when previously there was none.

Its obvious since you creationists discount the archeological
records of early life, Creationism is getting a very bad name in the eyes of all the normal conventional Scientists and teachers.
More than that... what does Creationism make of The Earth's Magnetic Pole Reversals every few 100's of K years?
The timing of those Reversal events, and their imprint, angled in moving hot rocks are plain and recorded.
So do you really believe that everything was created about
6000 years ago

The Bible is considered one of the greatest Fairy Stories in the World by Atheists.
At least atheists believe absolutely in Evolution.

And Evolution is yet another non-belief that Creationists teach. What a come down for Creationism....Atheists and all other religions believe in Evolution---Creationists don't
Its amazing the dis-service they surround their new non-scientific religion.
Its a wonder they have got any adherents at all.

With a 100,000 Schools in America alone... I bet there is not more than 4 or 5 that teach Creationism....plus I bet 3 of those schools are in Tennesee.

Go figure out how many teachers are willing or even want to teach such rubbish. Who are these teachers? They must be
unemployed Tennessee racists desperate for money
You cant find Christian or Atheist teachers to teach such crap
so who are these New racist teachers? They must be
unemployed Tennessee ***** desperate for money

Oh by the way...Creationists make themselves appear even more stupid ...and antagonistic to the parents of children.
Since they do NOT teach Evolution alongside so called Intelligent Design, or Creationism, in schools...I wonder why?

Intelligent Design is what is produced over millions of years
of Atoms, Gasses, Liquids and every imaginable particle in the universe, gravitationally lying next to each other.
Nothing stays the same...Heat ,Cold and Movement over Millions of years, continuously changes things.

****
The Louisiana Science Education Act [enacted in 2008, the law has been described as "anti-science" by a veritable truck load of scientific organizations, and is responsible for [censored] like this being taught in science classes] is a direct attack on our children's future
*****
The above words are somewhere below in a URL.

http://io9.com/5970587/new-orleans-schoo...onist-textbooks

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_creationism_taught_in_public_schools

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Thoughts***
It should be very easy for me to start a new world wide club.
Called?
"Moslems United against Creationism"
That will make paul disappear with his tail between his legs

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#47044 - 12/25/12 02:18 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
Bill S. Offline
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Registered: 08/20/10
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Loc: Essex, UK
Now I understand why emotional, ad hominem tirades are tolerated on SAGG.

Shame! It could be a good science discuss forum.

I thought one of the essentials was respecting other people, and their views.

If Paul believes in 7 days of creation, he has every right to that belief, and to defend it.

If he does so in a way that is personally offensive to other members he should be taken to task for that. So should anyone else who demeans the forum by using similar tactics.

Anyone who has read Paul's posts must know that he is not going to "disappear with his tail between his legs". If causing any member of the forum to do that is anyone's objective, then I suggest that person is on the wrong forum.
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#47045 - 12/25/12 03:23 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Bill S.]
Bill Offline
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Registered: 12/31/10
Posts: 1858
Loc: Oklahoma, USA
Originally Posted By: Bill S.
Now I understand why emotional, ad hominem tirades are tolerated on SAGG.

Shame! It could be a good science discuss forum.

I thought one of the essentials was respecting other people, and their views.

If Paul believes in 7 days of creation, he has every right to that belief, and to defend it.

If he does so in a way that is personally offensive to other members he should be taken to task for that. So should anyone else who demeans the forum by using similar tactics.

Anyone who has read Paul's posts must know that he is not going to "disappear with his tail between his legs". If causing any member of the forum to do that is anyone's objective, then I suggest that person is on the wrong forum.


Amen Bill S.

In a way I kind of enjoy Paul's posts. They give me a chance to show what a hugely intelligent person I am. And he keeps giving me chances to do that without having to actually do much thinking. Most of his ideas are so far out that you can shoot holes in them with a BB gun, no big guns required.

Orac isn't quite as much fun. Unfortunately he knows a lot and so I can't show off as well when I am in a discussion with him.

Bill Gill
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C is the universal speed limit.

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#47046 - 12/25/12 04:14 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
redewenur Offline
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Certainly, Bill S, respecting a person's right to have differing views is both wise and ethically correct - for ALL parties. Respecting those views is quite a different matter.

Just as people of various religious cults attack science in defence of their beliefs, so others attack those beliefs in defence of science. I see nothing amiss in that. All parties should have equal rights of attack and defense of ideas and beliefs. In that regard, religion should not have the privileged status it generally seems to claim, as evidenced in the extreme by the slaughters that have been perpetrated in its name. The essential point is that attacks upon persons, either verbally or physically are patently opposed to whatever high precepts may be held by theists and atheists alike.

The moderators have not only to deal with verbal offensiveness, but also to tackle the sometimes ticklish task of deciding where the line be drawn between science and NQS. I would venture to suggest that unless they are bold and resolute, this forum may fail to recover from its current low ebb. As Bill S. says, "This could be a good science discuss forum".

P.S. Wishing you all a joyful Christmas season and good fortune in the coming year (whatever your beliefs or lack thereof)
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#47047 - 12/25/12 06:03 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: redewenur]
Bill S. Offline
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Loc: Essex, UK
Quote:
Respecting those views is quite a different matter.


In no way am I suggesting that respecting someone's views entails agreeing with them, or not attacking them. However, simply pouring scorn on them, and making insulting comments (which is what I would consider being disrespectful) is rarely, if ever, the most effective form of attack, and is certainly distasteful.

I agree absolutely that religions should not enjoy a privileged status. Unfortunately, in this country, political correctness seems to be moving us towards a situation in which Christianity is the only religion it is safe to attack; but that's a different matter.

Yes; I know I said "discuss" instead of "discussion", but I think it was a bit mean to call attention to it. smile
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#47048 - 12/25/12 07:55 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Bill S.]
Mike Kremer Offline

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May I state on behalf of all of us that write in SAGG
That we do not want anybody to disappear with 'their tail between their legs'....(especially Paul).
We have lost a few, very interesting and worthwhile writers
in the past.
SAGG provides us with a lot of comedy and interesting scientific writings, on an almost daily basis.
We need to gain sensible writers that sensibly contribute and add, to just about anything that is written.

I think it is a lot easier to put down or even hate a particular or group of writers, just for the sake of getting
ones name up on the 'board'. Step to 'far over the mark'
...yes - you may get a final nasty reply for your trouble,

I remember being taught this many years ago (dont know where it comes from)
Whenever one group of people is taught to hate another,
a lie is created (or written) to inflame that hatred
and justify a plot.


Hopefuly none of us will write in such a manner that it inflames hatred....we love our SAGG and want it to grow from strength to strength, else we may lose a Registered user forever.
We got 2896 Registered users, a number of holiday guests but
no more than a dozen regular serious writers.
Any-body come up with improvement suggestions?
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#47049 - 12/26/12 04:52 AM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
paul Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 4136
now that you have all had your laugh , lets look at
some evidence of creation.

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Darwin knew that if his theory was true the older rock strata directly
beneath the cambrian layer should reveal a progression of fosils connecting
simple earlier forms to complex animals like trilobites through a trail
of incremental steps and failed biological experiments.

such evidence would document the trial and error process of natural
selection.


but Darwin says in the origin , where are these transitional forms?
their not there in the fosil record.
what we see instead are fully formed discrete groups.


now thats a world class puzzle for someone like darwin and evolution
and quickly points a validating finger at Creation.




we might hear from Bill s that the document
origins of the species is too old or religious
or some excuse , and Bill Gill will plead to his
Gentile Readers claiming himself to be a genius again

I say its up to the readers , not those who recently
bloated in their pants.




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#47052 - 12/26/12 03:12 PM Re: Creationists and People [Re: Mike Kremer]
paul Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
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At least atheists believe absolutely in Evolution.

And Evolution is yet another non-belief that Creationists teach. What a come down for Creationism....Atheists and all other religions believe in Evolution---Creationists don't


Yes , that's exactly right , Mike.

and we can prove that evolution didn't occur.

something that evolution cannot say about Creation!

try and try as you may , just like you have been trying
for hundreds of years to do , you cant provide the transitional
life forms that should be there in the pre cambrian period
nor can you provide the supposed link between ape and man.

evolution has no foundation.

in fact if science really did use data and the scientific method
of determination , then science would state that evolution is what occurred naturally after Creation.

but science and its pig headed leaders and followers don't recognize fact's and data and finding's and such as that , they just want to dictate to everyone who is gullible enough to believe their lies , lies that are in place to protect their belief system.

nothing to do with what science should be.

BTW , if you think I'm wrong then lets see the transitional
life forms that no one so far has been able to find.
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