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James S. Allan

Creationist
Genetics
Ph.D. in genetics from the University of Edinburgh, Scotland
M.S. in agriculture from the University of Stellenbosch, South Africa
B.S. in agriculture from the University of Natal
Former senior lecturer in genetics at the University of Stellenbosch
International consultant in dairy cattle breeding

Kevin Anderson

Creationist

Ph.D. in Microbiology from Kansas State University

NIH Postdoctoral Fellow, Dept Microbiology, University of Illinois

Former assistant Professor of Microbiology, Mississippi State University

Research Microbiologist, USDA, Ames, Iowa

Published over 20 technical papers on genetics and molecular biology of bacteria

Director of Van Andel Creation Research Center, Chino Valley, Arizona

He has given numerous presentations at scientific meetings around the world and is currently the editor-in-chief of the Creation Research Society Quarterly.

Don Batten

Creationist
Plant physiologist
Ph.D. in plant physiology from the University of Sydney
B.Sc.Agr. with first-class honors from the University of Sydney
Consultant plant physiologist and research scientist
New South Wales Department of Agriculture (Australia) research scientist for 18 years
Published various scientific papers
Staff member of Answers in Genesis

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Well gentle readers, I think I have pointed out that the people who believe in evolution have actual science to support their view but not creationists. The big problem is that there is no real evidence to support creationism. I realize that I am not going to convert Paul or any other dedicated creationist, so I will drop this thread now. I hope that you have looked at this and realize that evolution is the only answer to how we got this way.

By the way, the United States Supreme Court agrees with me. Creationism is not science it is religion.

Bill Gill

Creationism is not science it is religion.

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By the way, the United States Supreme Court agrees with me. Creationism is not science it is religion.

Bill Gill

it says district court , Bill.
what we need is the Supreme Court case.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . .

The Establishment clause is immediately followed by the free exercise clause, which states, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". These two clauses make up what are called the "religion clauses" of the First Amendment.[1]
The establishment clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another. The first approach is called the "separation" or "no aid" interpretation, while the second approach is called the "non-preferential" or "accommodation" interpretation. The accommodation interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.

2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another.

I can remember in grammar school having to sit through a prayer each day before we were dismissed for lunch.

I was amazed at the insensitivity of the school system to people who did not believe in prayer.

Now this brouhaha over "Intelligent Design" is just a transparent attempt to reintroduce religion into the schools. Luckily we have had the good sense to rebuff it thoroughly.

it has been proven to be a fact something that creation can not prove.

my problem with teaching evolution is the fact that
it teaches children who have a belief in creation that
their belief is wrong.

the courts in fairness should deny teaching of evolution in the school systems because evolution is not a science it is a belief system.

darwin wrote a book.
moses wrote a book.

Not science... yet. Until scientists find the right organic goo compounds to make their own life. Then the science of 'creationism' can begin.

Mike Kremer said:-
I don't really understand the above sentence. Because...when
the scientists find the right combination of goo chemicals to replicate primitive life. Then the (science) of 'creationism' will die!
-and not live....because is is supposed to be God who started and organized creationism ???.
Is'nt that the religious basis of creationism? If not ...please explain it to me.
I thought natural Evolution starts with the right combinations of chemicals replicating life.
So...Evolution dos'not need God, does it?

Then the (science) of 'creationism' will die!
-and not live....because is is supposed to be God who started and organized creationism ???.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/bible/genesis/documents/bible_genesis_en.html

THE BOOK OF GENESIS


Chapter 1

[1:1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
[1:2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
[1:3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
[1:4] And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
[1:5] God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
[1:6] And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
[1:7] So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
[1:8] God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
[1:9] And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so.
[1:10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
[1:11] Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so.
[1:12] The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good.
[1:13] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
[1:14] And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
[1:15] and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so.
[1:16] God made the two great lights - the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night - and the stars.
[1:17] God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth,
[1:18] to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
[1:19] And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
[1:20] And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky."
[1:21] So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
[1:22] God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
[1:23] And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
[1:24] And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind." And it was so.
[1:25] God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
[1:29] God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
[1:30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
[1:31] God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

1 day for God could be millions / billions of our years.

[1:3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
[1:4] And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
[1:5] God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

On the other hand if you accept Genesis literally, such speculation is not encouraged by verses 3 - 5.

[1:14] And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
[1:15] and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so.
[1:16] God made the two great lights - the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night - and the stars.
[1:17] God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth,
[1:18] to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
[1:19] And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.