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extraNONsense wrote:
"You are igmorant kook of educator"

Certainly a constructive statement going to the very heart of quantum entanglement.

extraNONsense wrote:
"asking idiotic questions which show that to be true to everybody."

True to everybody? I certainly try to be. But if you think the question is idiotic then lets try a third and final time:

Which part of the following statement is untrue and on what basis is it untrue? Please point to the specific paper that refutes it.

"The degree to which a pure quantum state is entangled can be characterized by the distance or angle to the unentangled state."

extraNONsense wrote:
And you have the gull to doubt my education level!

Not just the gull but the gall too. An amazing demonstration of illiteracy as well as ignorance.

extraNONsense wrote:
"Better stop making fool of yourself and continue quietly collect your unearned salary."

Coming from you that is a compliment of the highest order. Thank you.

es, while your exchange with DA shows a certain passion, you have still not shown why quantum entanglement is bunkum. It's not good enough to just say that entanglement is a rort; you have to explain to us why you think this is so.

I haven't come across anything on your site that would disprove entanglement, btw.

Here it is:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mycommon/Quantum_Computing_Myths.PDF


es

I love the link. You refute quantum entanglement with an authorless paper, peer reviewed by no one, referencing papers that in no way support your conclusion, using elementary school math.

Brilliant!

It is always wonderful to see fluff trump real research such as that of Isaac Chuang of IBM and Neil Gershenfeld of MIT.

Perhaps though you can explain this:

1. D. Leibfried, E. Knill, S. Seidelin, J. Britton, R. B. Blakestad, J. Chiaverini, D. B. Hume, W. M. Itano, J. D. Jost, C. Langer, R. Ozeri, R. Reichle, and D. J. Wineland, "Creation of a six-atom 'Schroedinger cat' state, " Nature. 438, 639-642 (2005).

2. C. Langer, R. Ozeri, J. D. Jost, J. Chiaverini, B. DeMarco, A. Ben-Kish, R. B. Blakestad, J. Britton, D. B. Hume, W. M. Itano, D. Leibfried, R. Reichle, T. Rosenband, T. Schaetz, P. O. Schmidt, and D. J. Wineland, "Long-lived qubit memory using atomic ions," Phys. Rev. Lett. 95, 060502-1 - 060502-4 (2005).

3. P. O. Schmidt, T. Rosenband, C. Langer, W. M. Itano, J. C. Bergquist, and D. J. Wineland, "Spectroscopy using quantum logic," Science 309, 749-752 (2005).

4. R. Ozeri, C. Langer, J. D. Jost, B. DeMarco, A. Ben-Kish, B. R. Blakestad, J. Britton, J. Chiaverini, W. M. Itano, D. B. Hume, D. Leibfried, T. Rosenband, P. O. Schmidt, and D. J. Wineland, "Hyperfine coherence in the presence of spontaneous photon scattering," Phys. Rev, Lett. 95, 030403-1 - 030403-4 (2005).

5. J. Chiaverini, J. Britton, D. Leibfried, E. Knill, M. D. Barrett, R. B. Blakestad, W.M. Itano, J.D. Jost, C. Langer, R. Ozeri, T. Schaetz, and D.J. Wineland, "Implementation of the semiclassical quantum Fourier transform in a scalable system," Science 308, 997-1000 (2005).

6. T. Schaetz, M. D. Barrett, D. Leibfried, J. Britton, J. Chiaverini, W.M. Itano, J.D. Jost, E. Knill, C. Langer, and D.J. Wineland, "Enhanced quantum state detection efficiency through quantum information processing," Phys. Rev. Lett. 94, 010501-1 - 010501-4 (2005).

7. J. Chiaverini, D. Leibried, T. Schaetz, M. D. Barrett, R. B. Blakestad, J. Britton, W.M. Itano, J.D. Jost, E. Knill, C. Langer, R. Ozeri, and D.J. Wineland, "Realization of quantum error correction," Nature 432, 602-605 (2004).

8. M. D. Barrett, J. Chiaverini, T. Schaetz, J. Britton, W.M. Itano, J.D. Jost, E. Knill, C. Langer, D. Leibfried, R. Ozeri, and D.J. Wineland, "Deterministic quantum teleportation of atomic qubits," Nature 429, 737-739 (2004).

9. T. Schaetz, M. D. Barrett, D. Leibfried, J. Chiaverini, J. Britton, W.M. Itano, J.D. Jost, C. Langer, and D.J. Wineland, "Quantum dense coding with atomic qubits," Phys. Rev. Lett. 93, 040505-1 - 040505-4 (2004).

10. D. Leibfried, M. D. Barrett, T. Schaetz, J. Britton, J. Chiaverini, W.M. Itano, J.D. Jost, C. Langer, and D.J. Wineland, "Toward Heisenberg-limited spectroscopy with multiparticle entangled states," Science 304, 1476-1478 (2004).

11. M. Barrett, B.L. DeMarco, T. Schaetz, V. Meyer, D. Leibfried, J. Britton, J. Chiaverini, W.M. Itano, B.M. Jelenkovic, J.D. Jost, C. Langer, T. Rosenband, and D.J. Wineland, "Sympathetic cooling of 9Be+ and 24Mg+ for quantum logic," Phys. Rev. A 68, 042302-1 - 042302-7 (2003).

12. W. M. Itano, "Comment on `Some implications of the quantum nature of laser fields for quantum computations,'" Phys. Rev. A 68, 046301-1 - 046301-2 (2003).

13. D. Leibfried, B. DeMarco, V. Meyer, D. Lucas, M. Barrett, J. Britton, W. M. Itano, B. Jelenkovic, C. Langer, T. Rosenband, and D. J. Wineland, "Experimental demonstration of a robust, high-fidelity geometric two ion-qubit phase gate," Nature 422, 412-415 (2003).

14. D. J. Wineland, M. Barrett, J. Britton, J. Chiaverini, B. L. DeMarco, W. M. Itano, B. M. Jelenkovic, C. Langer, D. Leibfried, V. Meyer, T. Rosenband, and T. Schaetz, "Quantum information processing with trapped ions," Phil. Trans. Royal Soc. London A 361, 1349-1361 (2003).

15. D. J. Wineland, J. C. Bergquist, T. Rosenband, P. O. Schmidt, W. M. Itano, J. J. Bollinger, D. Leibfried, and W. H. Oskay, "Ion optical clocks and quantum information processing," Proc. 2003 Joint Meeting IEEE International Frequency Control Symposium and EFTF Conference, 68-71 (2003).

16. A. Ben-Kish, B. DeMarco, V. Meyer, M. Rowe, J. Britton, W. M. Itano, B. M. Jelenkovic, C. Langer, D. Leibfried, T. Rosenband, and D. J. Wineland, "Experimental demonstration of a technique to generate arbitrary quantum superposition states of a harmonically bound spin-1/2 particle," Phys. Rev. Lett. 90, 037902-1 - 037902-4 (2003).

17. D. Leibfried, B. DeMarco, V. Meyer, M. Rowe, A. Ben-Kish, M. Barrett, J. Britton, J. Hughes, W. M. Itano, B. M. Jelenkovic, C. Langer, D. Lucas, T. Rosenband, and D. J. Wineland, "Towards quantum information with trapped ions at NIST," J. Phys. B 36, 599-612 (2003).

18. D.J. Wineland, D. Leibfried, B.L. DeMarco, V. Meyer, M.A. Rowe, A. Ben Kish, M. Barrett, J. Britton, J. Hughes, W.M. Itano, B.M. Jelenkovic, C. Langer, D. Lucas and T. Rosenband, "Quantum information processing and multiplexing with trapped ions," Proc. 2002 International Conference on Atomic Physics, (2003).

19. B. DeMarco, A. Ben-Kish, D. Leibfried, V. Meyer, M. Rowe, B. M. Jelenkovic, W. M. Itano, J. Britton, C. Langer, T. Rosenband, and D. J. Wineland, "Experimental demonstration of a controlled-NOT wave-packet gate," Phys. Rev. Lett. 89, 267901-1 - 267901-4 (2002).

20. D. Leibfried, B. DeMarco, V. Meyer, M. Rowe, A. Ben-Kish, J. Britton, W. M. Itano, B. Jelenkovic, C. Langer, T. Rosenband, and D. J. Wineland, "Trapped-ion quantum simulator: Experimental application to nonlinear interferometers," Phys. Rev. Lett. 89, 247901-1 - 247901-4 (2002).

21. M. A. Rowe, A. Ben-Kish, B. DeMarco, D. Leibfried, V. Meyer, J. Beall, J. Britton, J. Hughes, W. M. Itano, B. Jelenkovic, C. Langer, T. Rosenband, and D. J. Wineland, "Transport of quantum states and separation of ions in a dual rf ion trap," Quantum Information and Computation 2, 257-271 (2002).

22. D. J. Wineland, J. C. Bergquist, J. J. Bollinger, R. E. Drullinger, And W. M. Itano, "Quantum computers and atomic clocks," Proceedings of the 6th Symposium on Frequency Standards and Metrology, Edited by P. Gill (World Scientific, Singapore, 2002), p. 361-368.

23. D. Kielpinski, C.R. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Architecture for a Large-Scale Ion-Trap Quantum Computer," Nature 417, 709-711 (2002).

24. D. Kielpinski, "Entanglement and decoherence in a trapped-ion quantum register" Ph. D. thesis, Department of Physics, University of Colorado, Boulder, 2001.

25. V. Meyer, M.A. Rowe, D. Kielpinski, C.A. Sackett, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Experimental demonstration of entanglement-enhanced rotation angle estimation using trapped ions," Phys. Rev. Lett. 86, 5870 (2001).

26. D. Kielpinski, A. Ben-Kish, J. Britton, V. Meyer, M.A. Rowe, C.A. Sackett, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Recent results in trapped-ion quantum computing at NIST," Proceedings of the International Conference on Experimental Implementation of Quantum Computation ( Sydney Australia 2001), pp. 79-90.

27. M.A. Rowe, D. Kielpinski, V. Meyer, C.A. Sackett, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Experimental violation of a Bell's inequality with efficient detection," Nature 409, 791-794 (2001).

28. D. Kielpinski, V. Meyer, M.A. Rowe, C.A. Sackett, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "A decoherence-free quanum memory using trapped ions," Science 291, 1013-1015 (2001).

29. C. Monroe and D.J. Wineland, "Computing with atoms and molecules," Science Spectra, 23, 72-79 (2000).

30. C. Monroe, C.A. Sackett, D. Kielpinski, B.E. King, C. Langer, V. Meyer, C.J. Myatt, M. Rowe, Q.A. Turchette, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Wineland, "Scalable entanglement of trapped ions," in Atomic Physics 17, Proceedings of the 17th International Conference, edited by E. Arimondo, P. DeNatle, and M. Inguscio (AIP Conf. Proc. 551, Melville, NY 2001), pp. 173-186.

31. Q.A. Turchette, C.J. Myatt, B.E. King, C.A. Sackett, D. Kielpinski, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Decoherence and decay of motional quantum states of a trapped atom coupled to engineered reservoirs," Phys. Rev. A 62, 053807 (2000).

32. C.A. Sackett, D. Kielpinski, B.E. King, C. Langer, V. Meyer, C.J. Myatt, M. Rowe, Q.A. Turchette, W.M. Itano, D.J. Wineland, and C. Monroe, "Experimental entanglement of four particles," Nature 404, 256 (2000).

33. C.J. Myatt, B.E. King, Q.A. Turchette, C.A. Sackett, D. Kielpinski, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Decoherence of quantum superpositions through coupling to engineered reservoirs," Nature 403, 269 (2000).

34. Q.A. Turchette, D. Kielpinski, B.E. King, D. Leibfried, D.M. Meekhof, C.J. Myatt, M.A. Rowe, C.A. Sackett, C.S. Wood, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Heating of trapped ions from the quantum ground state," Phys. Rev. A 61, 063418 (2000).

35. D. Kielpinski, B.E. King, C.J. Myatt, C.A. Sackett, Q.A. Turchette, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, D.J. Wineland, and W.H. Zurek, "Sympathetic cooling of trapped ions for quantum logic," Phys. Rev. A 61, 032310 (2000).

36. C.J. Myatt, B.E. King, Q. A. Turchette, C.A. Sackett, D. Kielpinski, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Decay of quantum superpositions into engineered reservoirs," in Laser Spectroscopy, proceedings of the XIV International Conference, edited by R. Blatt, J. Eschner, D. Leibfried, and F. Schmidt-Kaler (World Scientific, Singapore, 1999) p. 237-245.

37. D.J. Wineland, C. Monroe, W.M. Itano, D. Kielpinski, B.E. King, C.J. Myatt, Q.A. Turchette, and C.S. Wood, "Quantum Computation, Spectroscopy of Trapped Ions, and Schr?dinger's Cat," in Quantum Coherence and Decoherence, Proceedings of the 6th International Symposium on Foundations of Quantum Mechanics in the Light of New Technology (ISQM-Tokyo '98), edited by Y.A. Ono and K. Fujikawa (Elsevier Science, Amsterdam, 1999), pp. 103-108.

38. C. Monroe, W. M. Itano, D. Kielpinski, B. E. King, D. Leibfried, C. J. Myatt, Q. A. Turchette, D. J. Wineland, and C. S. Wood, "Quantum logic with a few trapped ions," Trapped Charged Particles and Fundamental Physics, AIP Conf. Proc. 457, edited by D. H. E. Dubin and D. Schneider (American Institute of Physics, Woodbury, NY, 1999), p. 378-387.

39. D. Leibfried, T. Pfau, and C. R. Monroe, "Shadows and mirrors: Reconstructing quantum states of atom motion," Phys. Today 51, 22-28 (April 1998).

40. C. J. Myatt, B. E. King, D. Kielpinski, D. Leibfried, Q. A. Turchette, C. S. Wood, W. M. Itano, C. R. Monroe, and D. J. Wineland, "Trapped ions, entanglement, and quantum computing," in Methods for Ultrasensitive Detection, edited by B. L. Fearey, Proc. SPIE 3270, 131-137 (1998).

41. Q.A. Turchette, C.S. Wood, B.E. King, C.J. Myatt, D. Leibfried, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Deterministic entanglement of two ions," Phys. Rev. Lett. 81, 3631 (1998).

42. D.J. Wineland, C.R. Monroe, W.M. Itano, B.E. King, D. Leibfried, C.J. Myatt, and C.S. Wood, "Trapped-Ion Quantum Simulator," Physica Scripta (special issue on Modern Studies of Basic Quantum Concepts and Phenomena), T76, 147-151 (1998).

43. D.J. Wineland, C.R. Monroe, W.M. Itano, B.E. King, D. Leibfried, D. M. Meekhof, C.J. Myatt, and C.S. Wood, "Experimental Primer on the Trapped Ion Quantum Computer," Fortschritte de Physik 46, 363-390 (1998).

44. B.E. King, C.J. Myatt, Q.A. Turchette, D. Leibfried, W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, and D.J. Wineland, "Cooling the collective motion of trapped ions to initialize a quantum register," Phys. Rev. Lett. 81, 3631 (1998).

45. D.J. Wineland, C. Monroe, W.M. Itano, D. Leibfried, B. King, and D.M. Meekhof, "Experimental issues in coherent quantum-state manipulation of trapped atomic ions," Journal of Research of the National Institute of Standards and Technology 103, 259 (1998).

46. D.J. Wineland, C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, D. Leibfried, W.M. Itano, J.C. Bergquist, D. Berkeland, J.J. Bollinger, and J. Miller, "Quantum state manipulation of trapped atomic ions," Proc. Roy. Soc. Lond. A 454, 411-429 (1998). Proc. Workshop on Quantum Computing, Santa Barbara, CA, Dec. 1996.

47. D.J. Wineland, C.R. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, D. Leibfried, W.M. Itano, J.C. Bergquist, D.J. Berkeland, J.J. Bollinger, and J.D. Miller, "Coherent quantum state manipulation of trapped atomic ions," Advances in Quantum Chemistry 30, 41 (1998).

48. W.M. Itano, C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, D. Leibfried, B.E. King, and D.J. Wineland, "Quantum harmonic oscillator state synthesis and analysis," in Atom Optics, edited by M.G. Prentiss and W.D. Phillips, Proc. SPIE 2995, 43 (1997).

49. C. Monroe, D. Leibfried, B.E. King, D.M. Meekhof, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Wineland, "Simplified quantum logic with trapped ions " Phys. Rev. A 55, R2489 (1997).

50. C. Monroe and J. Bollinger, "Atomic physics in ion traps," Physics World 10, 37 (March 1997).

51. D. Leibfried, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, C. Monroe, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Wineland, "Experimental preparation and measurement of the state of motion of a trapped atom," Journal of Modern Optics 44, 2485 (1997).

52. D.J. Wineland, C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, D. Leibfried, W.M. Itano, J.C. Bergquist, D.J. Berkeland, J.J. Bollinger, J.D. Miller, "Entangled states of atomic ions for quantum metrology and computation," in Atomic Physics XV, edited by H.B. van den Linden van den Heuvell, J.T.M. Walraven, M.W. Reynolds (World Scientific, 1997), p. 31.

53. C. R. Monroe, D. M. Meekhof, D. Leibfried, B. E. King, W. M. Itano, and D. J. Wineland, "Single-atom quantum logic gate and Schrodinger cat state," Opt. Photonics News 7, 13-14 (December 1996).

54. C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, D. Leibfried, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Wineland, "Manipulating the motion of a single trapped atom," Accounts of Chemical Research 29, 585 (1996).

55. J.J. Bollinger, W.M. Itano, D.J. Wineland, and D.J. Heinzen, "Optimal frequency measurements with maximally correlated states," Phys. Rev. A 54, R4649 (1996).

56. D. Leibfried, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, C. Monroe, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Wineland, "Experimental Determination of the motional quantum state of a trapped atom," Phys. Rev. Lett. 77, 4281 (1996).

57. C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, D.J. Wineland, "A Schr?dinger cat superposition state of an atom," Science 272, 1131 (1996).

58. D.M. Meekhof, C. Monroe, B.E. King, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Wineland, "Generation of nonclassical motional states of a trapped atom," Phys. Rev. Lett. 76, 1796 (1996).

59. C. Monroe, A.S. Barton, J.C. Bergquist, D. Berkeland, J.J. Bollinger, F. Cruz, W.M. Itano, S.R. Jefferts, B.M. Jelenkovic, B.E. King, D.M. Meekhof, J.D. Miller, M.E. Poitzsch, J.N. Tan, and D.J. Wineland, "Experiments at NIST with trapped ions: 3-D zero-point cooling, quantum gates, Bragg scattering, and atomic clocks," in Laser Spectroscopy XII, proceedings of the International Conference, Capri, Italy, 1995, edited by M. Inguscio, M. Allegrini, and A. Sasso (World Scientific, Singapore, 1996) pp. 179-182.

60. C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Wineland, "Demonstration of a fundamental quantum logic gate," Phys. Rev. Lett. 75, 4714 (1995).

61. C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, S.R. Jefferts, W.M. Itano, D.J. Wineland, and P. Gould, "Resolved-sideband Raman cooling of a bound atom to the 3D zero-point energy," Phys. Rev. Lett. 75, 4011 (1995).

62. C. Monroe, D.M. Meekhof, B.E. King, W.M. Itano, J.J. Bollinger, and D.J. Wineland, "Quantum-mechanically correlated states and atomic clocks," in Dark Matter in Cosmology, Clocks and Tests of Fundamental Laws, Proceedings of the XXXth Rencontre de Moriond, XVth Moriond Workshop, Villars sur Ollon, Switzerland, 1995, edited by B. Guiderdoni, G. Greene, E. Hinds, and J. Tran Thanh Van (Editions Frontieres, Gif-sur-Yvette, France, 1995), pp. 391-396.

63. S.R. Jefferts, C. Monroe, A.S. Barton, and D.J. Wineland, "Paul Trap for optical frequency standards," IEEE Trans. Instrum. Meas., 44, 148 (1995).

64. S.R. Jefferts, C. Monroe, E.W. Bell, D.J. Wineland, "A coaxial-resonator driven rf (Paul) ion trap for strong confinement," Phys. Rev. A 51, 1235 (1995).

65. D.J.Wineland, J.J. Bollinger, W.M. Itano, and D.J. Heinzen, "Squeezed atomic states and projection noise in spectroscopy," Phys. Rev. A 50, 67 (1994).

66. W.M. Itano, J.C. Bergquist, J.J. Bollinger, J.M. Gilligan, D.J. Heinzen, F.L. Moore, M.G. Raizen, and D.J. Wineland, "Quantum Projection Noise: Population Fluctuations in 2-Level Systems," Phys. Rev. A, 47, 3554-3570 (1993).

67. D.J. Wineland, J.J. Bollinger, W.M. Itano, F.L. Moore, and D.J. Heinzen, "Spin squeezing and reduced quantum noise in spectroscopy," Phys. Rev. A 46, R6797 (1992).

Now these are what are called real scientific papers. Writen by people who use their real names, that work for real companies and universities and use real math.

Now I know the difference between the two may not be readily apparent to you but perhaps with some use of synapses you can catch a hint.

You have made my case, by showing the infinite amount of crap, produced by the pseudoscince parasite.

This is my article, and it was submitted to the Physical Review Letters.
No peer review occured, since they do not want to rock the boat.

es

Physical Review Letters rejected your paper and with that you have determined that your work is valid and the work of all others is crap.

Amazing arrogance for someone whose math skills are a tribute to mediocrity. And if Einstein himself came back from the grave and spit on your birdcage liner no doubt you'd be out their claiming spacetime a fraud too.

The title of this thead is "War on Science." It seems you are something other than a smartbomb in the war. And unfortunately were dropped by the other side.

They did not suggest it is incorrect. They are too careful for that.

In fact, no scientist that I've contacted on that matter, has suggested that there is something wrong with the substance - just with the style and shortness. But it is not why it was rejected.

But who am I talking to ? ....


e s

Maybe you could point out, in those articles, all the criticisms of science. It would be such a service for myself and the other illiterates who post here.

Extrasense:

You've shirked every request made to you to explain yourself. Instead of answering, you've attempted to insult the people making the requests. Do you think this is an effective way of communicating the message you want to communicate?

You ARE effectively communicating a message, but I usually hear that message from people who are pushing a shopping cart full of their worldly possessions in front of them.

extraNONsense wrote:
"In fact, no scientist that I've contacted on that matter, has suggested that there is something wrong with the substance - just with the style and shortness. But it is not why it was rejected."

They were being kind. If it was just a question of style you could fix the style. If it was the brevity you could write more. You get a bit closer to the truth when you write: "But it is not why it was rejected" without stating the real reason why.

It was rejected because it contains elementary school math, does not discuss prior art, nor does it contain anything that doesn't have webbed feet.

Can you say "Do you want fries with that?"

Well, a lot of money is being made of this fraud. Any excuse to continue it goes.

e s

A lot of money is being made from electricity, airplanes, antibiotics, and #2 pencils. Does that make them frauds?

Instead of focusing on the successes of others why don't you put your energy into going back to school and learning some math and physics.

If I to pay you for the advice, a quoter would suffice.

e s

As it appears you consider math dangerous. And as you have asked for a quoter ... I will oblige you wihth one quote.

"Authorities believe he is a member of the
notorious Al-Gebra movement. He is being charged
with carrying weapons of math instruction."

extrasence, if you are sure of your theory (which i havent read, so am reserving judgement) try doing what any good scientist should and spend some time trying to disprove it. if it is solid it will stand up to what you find has been already proven, if it doesn't go back to the drawing board.

Extrasense, I don't want to seem mean, but you shouldn't try to make your point by saying other people are stupid.

First, you think quantum computing is a wrong, that parallel's the leader's of Galileo's time. Focusing to much on the "I'm right" mantality is never science, and that seems to be what you are doing. Science forms a hypothesis, finds models, and then tests it to see if it is correct. With quantum computing, that is what they are working towards. They have the hypothesis, and are developing the field more with models and tests of those models to eventually try to test one in practice. As of now, I can't say if it will be practical or even work well, but that's what the scientists are for, to test them out.

Second, one 3 page paper that uses simple math and biased conclusions that try to make a claim that the models of quantum entangling boil down to is a sign of a lot of ignorance, no offence.

Thrid, There is not a lot of money being made by this fraud. The big computing companies are the ones puting forth a lot of the money to their own research teams to research this field. This isn't really money being made, it seems more like money being lost.

So instead of trying to say "I'm right and you guys are stupid for not understanding the pointless paper I wrote." try and come up with some valid sources by real researchers in this field to show why it is a myth. And I can make similar claims like Edison made, that alternating currents of electricity are harmful and not a good way to transport electricity, and this was based off of his own opinion, and no reaserch.

I do not believe I've ever said that.
With this statement you commit the offence that you've just accused me
There are some, but relatively few. The thing is that you are wrong, my article is the authority on this matter.

e s

extraNOnsense wrote:
"my article is the authority on this matter."

An unpublished, unpublishable, missive with middle school level math is the authority on the matter?

Which are you? Megalomaniac or fool?

Please notify us when the Nobel Committee calls.

ROFL.

These quotes seem to me to be stating that DA Morgan is "stupid"
I'm not saying that DA Morgan isn't calling you "stupid" either, but I'm saying that you are trying to make you point only based on calling him "stupid" and he is showing you plenty of proof.

So does that mean one paper that is completly based on a biased premise that doesn't even come close to accuratley depicting quantum mechanics is the authority on the matter. I can do the same thing with gravity, making a 3 page paper with low level math to prove that the theory of gravity is hoax, and that all the papers and tests out there that show it is true are a pseudoscience parasite to get money.

The only thing that I can muster for your entire responses in this thread is that the relatively few valid sources are "my 3 page paper". This is not a valid source. There is no corraboration with it. It attempts to say that the model it presents is an accurate depiction of the quantum computing model when it is not.

Now if you can show some valid research papers done by people working in this field that say "Quantum computing is never going to be possible" then you will have some compelling evidence. I beleive that some do publish saying things along the lines of "We have run into some problems such as these, and we have had some breakthroughs such as these. We need to change some of the theory to fit the new data". I don't look for much like this sicne I only care about the breakthroughs, which there are plenty. Showing a paper like this means nothing, it just means that they need to change a little of the theory as they had to do with electricty, radio, nuclear physics to name a few.


Now back to the original topic of the thread since there has been enough "Flaming"...

Science decline in classrooms is partly due to some teachers not enjoying their job. Also there are certain things that you don't want to tell children about science just like you do the same thing with history. It's easier to tell them "This is the absoulte truth" rather than "this is how it really is".

For example with Chemistry, why teach them about "Bohr's Model" of how the electrons are arranged when it is not accurate at all? The reason, it's easy to teach and easy to learn, and it's what the text books say to teach. It's hard to change text books.

You seem to insist on me presenting something that you are not going to read, let alone understand. Hey, you've get it. Enjoy.

http://search.arxiv.org:8081/paper.jsp?r=quant-ph/0110040&qid=11410063076871661658480&qs=quantum+AND+computing

http://search.arxiv.org:8081/paper.jsp?r=quant-ph/9805002&qid=11410063076871661658480&qs=quantum+AND+computing

http://search.arxiv.org:8081/paper.jsp?r=quant-ph/9705032&qid=11410063076871661658480&qs=quantum+AND+computing

http://search.arxiv.org:8081/paper.jsp?r=quant-ph/0512248&qid=11410063076871661658480&qs=quantum+AND+computing

http://search.arxiv.org:8081/paper.jsp?r=cond-mat/0110326&qid=11410063076871661658480&qs=quantum+AND+computing

http://search.arxiv.org:8081/paper.jsp?r=quant-ph/0309070&qid=11410063076871661658480&qs=quantum+AND+computing

http://search.arxiv.org:8081/paper.jsp?r=quant-ph/0010109&qid=11410063076871661658480&qs=quantum+AND+computing

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