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Thus the quote of the day is:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
~ Lord Acton

I have to disagree,

Usually it is the Teacher Unions that force school boards to keep ignorant teachers.
Don't leave out Tax Base, and size of the comunity, and poverty level.

As an educator, myself, I feel reasonably qualified to state that lack of education has little or nothing to do with tax base, community size, or poverty level (at least from an economic standpoint).

It has to do with our schools churning out reasonably uneducated educators and parents that don't give a damn.

My feeling is that they have children to satisfy a biological urge, or worse for their parents, and have no real interest in being parents.

DA Morgan there is so much wrong with the above I wont start(at least from an economic standpoint).Maybe you should try Dalmore 18years one of the best singel malts

I will. Just as soon as I get through the last of my current stash.

Heading back to the UK in May and will get some to replenish my stock.

News from the trenches...

Climate Expert Says NASA Tried to Silence Him
The top climate scientist (Dr. James E. Hansen) at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

"They feel their job is to be this censor of information going out to the public," said Dr. Hansen.

"That's not the way we operate here at NASA. We promote openness and we speak with the facts," said Dean Acosta, deputy assistant administrator for public affairs at the space agency.

The science is losing respect because of its own decay. It is converting in full speed into pseudoscience. So the education by those nitwits is a joke. Your whole attitude is missing out on this.

e s

es, could you explain the issue that you have with science (methodology?), and let us know how you think this 'problem' should be fixed.

ExtraNONsense wrote:
"The science is losing respect because of its own decay."

Well it certainly appears grammar lost first. But if you are so concerned about the decay of science stop using your computer, stop taking antibiotics, stop using electricity, stop listening to the radio, watching TV, driving your car, smash the cell phone and the digital camera and do please start growing your own food and purifying your own drinking water.

Science is alive, healthy, respected by all but a handful, and doing what it does best. You, on the otherhand, are a cesspool of willfully educated ignorance hypocritically denouncing the very things you use each and every day when you post to this site. Shameless hypocrisy at its worst.

You might say that the Alchemistry was useful, as it was keeping up the interest in the natural wonders.
Here is the link to my website, that shows that main "scientific" theories of today are garbage.
What is a way, in your mind, to excuse that? Where does it lead us, looking into the future?

http://groups.google.com/group/freescience?lnk=oa&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/freeviewsscience?lnk=oa&hl=en

ES

Originally posted by extrasense:
es, in regard to your website...

Are you really suggesting that Marxism is "a main scientific theory of today"?

I also notice that you try to use scientific notation in an attempt to falsify the feasibility of QC. Isn't the testing of theories and hypotheses what science is all about? How can science be as bad as you make it out to be when you are using the very same tools?

If you think that current science methodology is faulty, what else is there? What are your alternative suggestions?

Must not you see the difference between the principle, idea of science, and the crap that is parasiting on that idea? Should not the society be smart enough for that, for being able to make the distinction?

ES

I'm not really sure that I follow what you are trying to say. Could you provide some more examples to prove that science standards are currently in widespread decline.

And I ask again, if you claim to have pin pointed what is wrong with science (and you are yet to tell us what that really is), how do you propose that science should be fixed?

Certainly, I could.
Most of the "nanotechnology" is a fraud or myth.
NASA science is an oximoron.
Anthropoid string theory is a nonesense.

The mentioned here and on my sites, are just tip of the iceberg.

How to fix this decay?

We need at least to start exposing the scoundrels, kick them out of professorships, and fund the real research with the billions saved from their clatches.

ES

What, in your opinion, are some examples of real research?

I can give you an example, right off the top of my head: the work of Thomas Sowell.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/archive.shtml
Six hundred Twenty Six outstanding articles of high scientific and literary value, a number of books - are an example hard to match.
And incidently, each is signed by one person - not by endless list of shady co-authors.

ES

I should have been more specific; I meant research in natural science rather than social science.

A pretty good example of the applied science is Mars Exploration Rover design /as opposed to the planetery science part, which is a disaster./

The Japanese humanoid robots are impressive too.

These are the successes, while the good reaserch in progress is not easily visible until the fruition. So the way to help it to succeed, is to be vigilant in weeding out the pseudo science.

e s

Seriously, don't you think that people will question science later on (especially bad science)? Why am I not surprised more and more people home school? (for better or worse btw. not everyone is cut out to teach and have your students become independent thinkers)..
I don't blame the individual teachers anymore than I blame any soldier for a war, but why is it that those that care, never seem to be in charge?

So mechanical and electrical engineering is good science, but basic research isn't good science? Where do you think engineers pick up the basic information necessary to conduct their work?