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This is a sub-thread of the well-read thread started by my son, Turner, in February 2007. The thread is on Philosophy of Religions ... now on the way to six million hits.
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The idea for this sub-thread about FACT&FAITH&FANCY came to me a few days ago during a period of what I now call META-tation.

Whenever I feel the physical, mental and spiritual need, I META-tate on what artists speak of as the primary colours--blue, yellow and red. Speaking of facts, I find that this is one of the pleasant facts of nature of the kind that is very useful and worth knowing. Naturally, I want more pleasant facts like this--the kind that help us be more aware, conscious and evolved beings.

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I BEGIN WITH THE FACT THAT I AM. Therefore, I have the power to be, to know, to learn and to take action.
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But not all facts are of the pleasant kind. Some facts, like pain and suffering, are there to warn and to motivate us to action that will lead to our higher good.
A FACT THAT MOTIVATED MY WIFE AND ME: Here is a fact that hit my wife and me in the face, back in the 1960's. It happened when our daughter, Catherine (born 1956)--Turner's (born 1958) older and only sister--was nearly eight years of age. For reasons our family doctor could not understand, more than once, she began getting dreadfully ill, again and again, with a severe, life-threatening lung condition which led to pneumonia. At first, anti-biotics helped, but only temporarily. Our family doctor then referred us to specialists at the major hospital for Children, at Toronto.

After five bouts of pneumonia in the winter of 1963/1964, even the doctors at Hospital for children admitted they were at a loss as to what to do. In a meeting, two of them told us not to expect her to suvive another attack.
3.THIS FACT MOTIVATED US TO DO SOME DEEP THINKING ABOUT NONE PHYSICAL CAUSES--the kind I now call pneuma-psychosomatic causes.

4.AT THIS POINT, WE BEGAN TO GET RESULTS.
It was then, with the approval of our family doctor, that I first began to experiment with hypnotherapy--what I now call pneumatherapy--using, as above mentioned, the primary colours--and other colours--all that promote healing.

Needless to say, we were deeply thankful--to all, including the doctors and nurses, who helped--that our daughter not only survived her ordeal, she thrived. [more facts and details on this later]





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Good one Paul!

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C is the universal speed limit.
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Paul & BG: Good one? In what way? smile


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I guess everyone has their own venue for pleasant facts...The Google sign includes more colors than just the ones the rev. likes to focus on. Bonus!

I'm sure Someone might find the reverends colorful narcissism pleasant too.


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Originally Posted By: Tutor Turtle
I guess everyone has their own venue for pleasant facts...The Google sign includes more colors than just the ones the rev. likes to focus on. Bonus!

I'm sure Someone might find the reverends colorful narcissism pleasant too.
============ Nar·cis·sism? Let us check what the dictionary says it means: nar·cis·sism
[nahr-suh-siz-em] noun;
1. inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
2. Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.[Would anyone consciously choose to be a narcissist? I don't think so.]

... Relevant Questions: What Is Narcissism? What Are Symptoms Of Nar... What Causes Narcissism?
How To Diagnose Narcissi...
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Origin:
1815–25; < German Narzissismus. See narcissus, -ism ...
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Dictionary tells us: Narcissism is always a great word to know.
======== Then it adds: So is ninnyhammer, which means: a fool or simpleton; ninny.

Some ninny? Maybe that is who I keep seeing--in the mirror (behind me), recently--some ninny.

Ninnies of course have their human rights and deserve loving care. I wonder if she/he would wecome help? laugh



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Why keep looking behind you, when that is not where you are going?

Unless......


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Originally Posted By: Tutor Turtle
Why keep looking behind you, when that is not where you are going?...
And where, in your opinion, am I going? TT, you go on
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...Unless I happen to love ninnies, as they are--which, as a matter of FACT--using WILLpower--I choose so to do.

MEANWHILE, LET US KEEP ON TOPIC AND THE MAJOR PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD. THEREFORE, LET US HEAR FROM POSTERS ABOUT THE POWERFUL FACTS THAT WE FEEL MAKE US WHO WE ARE

Here is a fact that helps me: Because I do not claim to be a genius, in my pilgrimage I accept all the help I can get from fellow posters.

Meanwhile, I go where the Pneuma guides! So far, it has been fun. smile

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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
Originally Posted By: Tutor Turtle
Why keep looking behind you, when that is not where you are going?...
And where, in your opinion, am I going?

What does a man look for when he's looking over his shoulder or behind himself? You're the one describing the past and self validating whatever purpose exists in your past as meaningful.
Sorry, but in my world it is not what a man does that makes him worthy in spirit or in the eyes of God.
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TT, you go on
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Unless...
...Unless I happen to love ninnies, as they are--which, as a matter of FACT--using WILLpower--I choose so to do.
Well that'd be a choice I suppose.
However I was thinking: Unless you don't really know where you are going in making all those claims to be in the NOW while focusing on what's behind you.
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MEANWHILE, LET US KEEP ON TOPIC AND THE MAJOR PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD. THEREFORE, LET US HEAR FROM POSTERS ABOUT THE POWERFUL FACTS THAT WE FEEL MAKE US WHO WE ARE

Fact: We are spiritual beings.
However, as you claim it to be, what defines the spirit? Relative values and a measure of self worth in the personal biography?
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Here is a fact that helps me: Because I do not claim to be a genius, in my pilgrimage I accept all the help I can get from fellow posters.
Right, which is why you so easily throw out the ad hominems in return for all the help you get. wink
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Meanwhile, I go where the Pneuma guides! So far, it has been fun. smile
Yeah I got that. Red... yellow... and blue...... and an arrangement of accomplishments to measure the worth of spirit.


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KEEPING THIS THREAD--related to the one on Philosophy--ON TOPIC, let us, in good faith have a dialogue about the powerful facts of life that we feel make us who we are.
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I like this quote from The Power of Now--A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment by Eckhart Tolle

The Power of Now Quotes:
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“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have. Make the NOW the primary focus of your life.”
&#8213; Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment
(tags: carpe-diem, live-in-the-moment, realization).

“Time isn’t precious at all, because it is an illusion. What you perceive as precious is not time but the one point that is out of time: the [b]Now
. That is precious indeed. The more you are focused on time—past and future—the more you miss the Now, the most precious thing there is.”[/b]
&#8213; Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment
One of several quotes. For other quotes, go to: http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/840..._attempted=true
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FACTS, TRUTHS, BY WHICH I CHOOSE TO LIVE:
With the above in mind--unless there comes evidence to the contrary--as an octogenarian, I choose to live in the reality of the here and now.


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FACTS, TRUTHS, BY WHICH I CHOOSE TO LIVE:
With the above in mind--unless there comes evidence to the contrary--as an octogenarian, I choose to live in the reality of the here and now.
Which means you will hold yourself and others in interpretation of the accumulation of personal beliefs, and make comparisons of yourself and others regarding the badges you and they wear, as determined by the self measured accomplishments of the past?


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Quote:
“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have. Make the NOW the primary focus of your life.”
Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment
Note that ET says "primary", not the only focus.

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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
Note that ET says "primary", not the only focus.
Right! Gotta make sure all your own interpretations of the NOW and Eckhart Tolle are intact.


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Right! Gotta make sure all your own interpretations of the NOW and Eckhart Tolle are intact.
You ARE doing that? Good for you, TT, agape! smile Already this thread has had 362 hits.


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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
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Right! Gotta make sure all your own interpretations of the NOW and Eckhart Tolle are intact.
You ARE doing that? Good for you, TT, agape! smile Already this thread has had 362 hits.


Great, another religion of individual fancy. Instead of coming from the experience of the now, just paste your best idea on top of the reality Tolle describes and run with it on faith.

If the Church can do it with Jesus, why not with Tolle.

This is right up your alley Reverend.
Just do it your way, and thru the imagination.

God forbid you or anyone attempts Dentistry or Surgery by just using the imagination because one fancies their beliefs in self mastery to be self sufficient....


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Today on PBS TV, I heard HARVARD NEUROSCIENTIST Rudolph Tanzi, Ph.D.

Joseph P. and Rose F. Kennedy Professor of Child Neurology and Mental Retardation

Massachusetts General Hospital-East
Aging and Gen. Research Unit
Email: tanzi@helix.mgh.harvard.edu
Visit my lab page here.
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Most of what he said focessed on "what we believe and how we react to what is going on around us--physically, mentally and spiritually" determines how holistically healthy we will be.

http://www.hms.harvard.edu/dms/neuroscience/fac/tanzi.php

NEURO SCIENCE AT HARVARD
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/dms/neuroscience/index.html

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Originally Posted By: Revlgking

Most of what he said focessed on "what we believe and how we react to what is going on around us--physically, mentally and spiritually" determines how holistically healthy we will be.
How we react physically would be determined by our mental health, or how we would perceive reality, since the body is an extension of the mind.

How we react spiritually would be determined in how we perceive spirit and what relationship that has with our mental and physical reality. How we decide what is God and what isn't, or what we decide is Godly and ungodlike, and any stress we pass onto our relationship with God (if we have one).

If our primary relationship is with spirit and everything is seen as a reflection of spirit we live a spiritual life.
IF our primary relationship is with the relative and THAT is divided by the determinations of what is good and what is not, then our own mental attitude and relationship with life will be divided between our attachments and aversions to what we decide is good and what is bad.

Those who divide spirit from reality live a spiritual life of fantasy and mind, and all primary focus is on the divisions of relative values. The NOW is seen as a measure of mental values and all reactions are based on the measure of those values.
Happiness then is dependent on what one accepts and what distance is maintained from what one rejects as worthless or whatever does not fit in ones relative system of the personal reality.
That system changes with each personality and belief.

The universality of relative values them becomes a matter of democratic process rather than universal law. One does not find spirit to be universal but rather man made and defined by personal value systems. Same as the imagined God of religion.
Conflict then arises when one belief system or religion defends their spiritual values and their God when it clashes with another's spiritual values or God.

True liberation and peace of mind then comes not from the personally imagined God, but awareness and experience of God underlying the imagination and as it is before it appears in the many forms of individual realities of the ego, and in the many beliefs of those who argue for their definitions of the one true God.

Holistically speaking one is only as free as the walls they put around themselves in the experience of Self and Reality.
The Now has no boundaries or defining principles since it is the awareness immersed in the absolute, rather than one of past memories and beliefs of the personal nature that can be challenged by the opposing thought.


IF you never leave your house, there is little to oppose your rule over personal boundaries, and the walls you have confined yourself within. However your awareness is limited to experiencing only what is within the walls of your house of belief.
Holistically speaking: Relative happiness within a coffin of your own design is not so very expansive.


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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
Already this thread has had 362 hits.

And this makes post number 18 in and amongst the 16 that are made by you and I as the dominant posters. One post by Bill and one by Paul. What is your fascination with the numbers other than the idea that you love the idea of getting some attention?


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