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the USA Democrats have won the presidency and the senate !
again.
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Four years ago, when Obama won. I predicted in SAGG 'That America might never get another White President'
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There is something to be said for opting for the lesser of two evils, which, if reports are to be believed, seems to be what happened here.
Who believes reports, though?
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Now I can go put the "Obama/Biden" bumper stickers on my car. I was afraid to put them on before the election for fear my car would be vandalized. Obama has done a lot of good for this country. He got us out of Iraq, got kids insured who would otherwise not have been, and made more jobs than Bush got rid of, just to name a few. I think he has been a good president and wish him all success in the future.
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Four years ago, when Obama won. I predicted in SAGG 'That America might never get another White President'
thats a little stiff there mike. its not about race , its about leadership. someone who can take an old beaten down neglected people and slowly but surely make a strong healthy country out of them again. something weve been needing for decades.
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He got us out of Iraq, got kids insured who would otherwise not have been, and made more jobs than Bush got rid of, just to name a few. I think he has been a good president and wish him all success in the future. It's almost like the People of the United States think that this country belong's to them or something! I think they're right. and it's showing.
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Congratulations America!
I think that Obama is much more popular outside the US than within his own country. From here he looks to have done some really good things and he still has a vision for the future. His recent speech after winning said everything that needed to be said I thought.
I would be happy if he were my president!
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~Nothing wrong with Obama, especially if you are a Democrat. It seems to me that if the Republicans hope to win in 4 years time...They will have to court the minority partys and implement some changes in their favour. America is split 50/50 maybe thats because the Blacks vote for Obama, while the Latino's or Mexicans also vote Obama as they believe by voting Democrat there is less chance of them being sent back over the border into Mexico.?
Am I correct? If not..could someone explain better.
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I gather a lot of Republicans are having second thoughts about sending "Latinos and Mexicans" home, since doing that in some places has left the slave labour force severely depleted.
BTW, four years ago, didn't Obama say he was going to close some place in Guantanamo Bay? Did he ever do that? Could it stll be there?
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I would be happy if he were my president! after 4 years , he will be available. I wonder if any president has ever gone on after learning his trade to practice his trade in other countries? that would be another first I believe.
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I wonder if any president has ever gone on after learning his trade to practice his trade in other countries? Might be seen as a good way of Americanising (sorry: Americanizing) the world. I guess that would be seen as a mixed blessing, depending on where the ex-president wanted to go.
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BTW, four years ago, didn't Obama say he was going to close some place in Guantanamo Bay? Did he ever do that? Could it stll be there? Gitmo is a Naval Base , it was built in 1898 , yes 18. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base President Barack Obama has stated that he intends to close down the detention camp and is planning on bringing detainees to the United States to stand trial by the end of his first term in office. On January 22, 2009, three executive orders were issued by President Obama, although only one of these orders explicitly deals with policy directed at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, which directs the camp's closure within one year. All three could possibly impact the detention center, as well as how any detainee future or present will be held by the United States. While mandating the closure of the detention camp, the naval base as a whole was not subject to the order and will remain operational indefinitely. This plan was thwarted for the time being on May 20, 2009, when the United States Senate voted to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States. there are many thing's that President elected again Obama wanted to accomplish during his first term in office as the President , however in this particular thing the courts rulings have caused difficulties, and due to the fact that no country wants them in their country either their disposition has not yet been clearly defined. of course his first 4 years are not yet over , and alot can happen in 2 months. our People dont want them in the U.S. , would you like to have them in Essex? perhaps the entities that are complaining about the detainees detention would like to have them?
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our People dont want them in the U.S. , would you like to have them in Essex? A little touchy there? Could this be how Pre feels when people ask questions? perhaps the entities that are complaining about the detainees detention would like to have them? An understandable sentiment, Paul, but one that would have a more authentic ring to it if the US had not been so reluctant, over the years, to agree to British citizens returning here.
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Reluctantly I have to admit that Obama will never be my President!
We don't have a president of any sort.
Biil S- Good point re reluctant return of detainees who are citizens of other countries.
No one wants those detainees, that's obvious-- so a solution may be to find an island somewhere and ship them to that and leave them alone-- and lo and behold maybe in 200 years time they may have created a society which is democratic, free and at the present moment 10th in financial standing with a population of a bit over 20 million.
Not sure of the relevance of that mini-rant, but the present situation Is disgusting and really you never know what will be the result of an action which must seem doomed to failure even as it provides a solution. Anything would seem to be better than caging fellow humans in chains, in cages for years without end.
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When Obama was running for president the first time, he pledged to close the Guantanamo Bay operation and give the people therein a fair trial. That he has not done so is evidence of the massive power of the status quo. I think it is cruel and inhumane to incarcerate people for endless periods with no end in sight and no justice for all. I would like to see Guantanamo closed for good. It is a weight on the conscience of us all.
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but one that would have a more authentic ring to it if the US had not been so reluctant, over the years, to agree to British citizens returning here.
were they terrorist , or being held under suspicion of being terrorist? I know the U.S. does some really stupid stuff that defies all logic , but this was done during our never ending / ongoing war against terrorist. war time prisoners are usually held during the war , unless prisoner trades can be arranged. and they are questioned to see if they know any usable information. this has happened in every war I suppose. because the war on terror is not ever going to end , we have a new scenario , unlike all previous wars. should we release these suspected terrorist and then they bomb essex the following day , we would be liable for the damages or at least the world would say that it was our fault. or would we , I suppose that the lawmakers are having a difficult time trying to figure this one out.
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Paul- You have hit the nail on the head. It is an impossible task to have a war against terror. What is terror to one person may be the War for Independence for another.
Terror exists in the continual reaction of the terrorised. Who knows what will cause terror? It is a state of fear- something that will differ from person to person, country to country. To have a war against a state of mind is to fight shadows.
Changing the rules to allow continual imprisonment is not the mark of a humane society- no wonder lawmakers with principles are finding it hard to figure out.
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It is an impossible task to have a war against terror. I agree and I have always said that our current ground war on terror is/was wrong. the covert agencies such as the well known CIA and others should have handled this is there own specialized manner , as they always have in the past. it would have been a much quicker , less expensive ( lives lost ) and more effective means of disposing the terrorist and their financial supporters. but we had a hot dog administration in office who had already decreased the budget of these agencies in the U.S. prior to 911 effectively removing their effectiveness in these matters. theres a lot more than a state of mind involved , when were talking about terrorist who strap bombs on children and women and tell them to go watch a movie while the terrorist detonate the bomb remotely to make a statement. the statement that they make is that they are stupid heartless idiots who will never accomplish their goals by taking this path. unless their goals are to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are stupid heartless idiots. Changing the rules to allow continual imprisonment is not the mark of a humane society you cant ask the people below how they feel about it but I'm acertain that if you ask their families and friends they could tell you how they would handle it. Gordon M. Aamoth, Jr. Edelmiro Abad Maria Rose Abad Andrew Anthony Abate Vincent Abate Laurence Christopher Abel William F. Abrahamson Richard Anthony Aceto Jesus Acevedo Rescand Heinrich Bernhard Ackermann Paul Acquaviva Donald LaRoy Adams Patrick Adams Shannon Lewis Adams Stephen George Adams Ignatius Udo Adanga Christy A. Addamo Terence E. Adderley, Jr. Sophia Buruwad Addo Lee Allan Adler Daniel Thomas Afflitto Emmanuel Akwasi Afuakwah Alok Agarwal Mukul Kumar Agarwala Joseph Agnello David Scott Agnes Brian G. Ahearn Jeremiah Joseph Ahern Joanne Marie Ahladiotis Shabbir Ahmed Terrance Andre Aiken Godwin Ajala Gertrude M. Alagero Andrew Alameno Margaret Ann Alario Gary M. 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they didn't all fit into my last reply.
Alberto Dominguez Paige Marie Farley-Hackel Alexander Milan Filipov Carol Ann Flyzik Paul J. Friedman Karleton D.B. Fyfe Peter Alan Gay Linda M. George Edmund Glazer Lisa Reinhart Gordenstein Andrew Peter Charles Curry Green Peter Paul Hashem Robert Jay Hayes Edward R. Hennessy, Jr. John A. Hofer Cora Hidalgo Holland John Nicholas Humber, Jr. Waleed Joseph Iskandar John Charles Jenkins Charles Edward Jones Barbara A. Keating David P. Kovalcin Judith Camilla Larocque Natalie Janis Lasden Daniel John Lee Daniel M. Lewin Sara Elizabeth Low Susan A. Mackay Karen Ann Martin Thomas F. McGuinness, Jr. Christopher D. Mello Jeffrey Peter Mladenik Carlos Alberto Montoya Antonio Jesus Montoya Valdes Laura Lee Morabito Mildred Naiman Laurie Ann Neira Renee Lucille Newell Kathleen Ann Nicosia Jacqueline June Norton Robert Grant Norton John Ogonowski Betty Ann Ong Jane M. Orth Thomas Nicholas Pecorelli Berinthia B. Perkins Sonia M. Puopolo David E. Retik Jean Destrehan Roger Philip Martin Rosenzweig Richard Barry Ross Jessica Leigh Sachs Rahma Salie Heather Lee Smith Dianne Bullis Snyder Douglas Joel Stone Xavier Suarez Madeline Amy Sweeney Michael Theodoridis James Anthony Trentini Mary Barbara Trentini Pendyala Vamsikrishna Mary Alice Wahlstrom Kenneth Waldie John Joseph Wenckus Candace Lee Williams Christopher Rudolph Zarba, Jr.
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Quigley IV Frederick Charles Rimmele III James Roux Jesus Sanchez Victor J. Saracini Mary Kathleen Shearer Robert M. Shearer Jane Louise Simpkin Brian David Sweeney Michael C. Tarrou Alicia N. Titus Timothy Ray Ward William Michael Weems List of Victims at the Pentagon (Not Including Flight 77) Note: USA - United Stated Army; USN - United States Navy SPC Craig S. Amundson, USA YN3 Melissa Rose Barnes, USN MSG Max J. Beilke, Retired IT2 Kris Romeo Bishundat, USN Carrie R. Blagburn COL Canfield D. Boone, ARNG Donna M. Bowen Allen P. Boyle ET3 Christopher L. Burford, USN ET3 Daniel M. Caballero, USN SFC Jose O. Calderon-Olmedo, USA Angelene C. Carter Sharon A. Carver SFC John J. Chada, USA, Retired Rosa Maria Chapa Julian T. Cooper LCDR Eric A. Cranford, USN Ada M. Davis CAPT Gerald F. DeConto, USN LTC Jerry D. Dickerson, USA IT1 Johnnie Doctor, Jr., USN CAPT Robert E. Dolan, Jr., USN CDR William H. Donovan, USN CDR Patrick Dunn, USN AG1 Edward T. Earhart, USN LCDR Robert R. 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Keller Yvonne E. Kennedy Norma Cruz Khan Karen Ann Kincaid Dong Chul Lee Jennifer Lewis Kenneth E. Lewis Renee A. May Dora Marie Menchaca Christopher C. Newton Barbara K. Olson Ruben S. Ornedo Robert Penninger Robert R. Ploger III Zandra F. Ploger Lisa J. Raines Todd H. Reuben John P. Sammartino George W. Simmons Donald D. Simmons Mari-Rae Sopper Robert Speisman Norma Lang Steuerle Hilda E. Taylor Leonard E. Taylor Sandra D. Teague Leslie A. Whittington CAPT John D. Yamnicky, Sr., USN, Retired Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng List of Victims on United Airlines Flight 93 Christian Adams Lorraine G. Bay Todd Beamer Alan Beaven Mark K. Bingham Deora Frances Bodley Sandra W. Bradshaw Marion Britton Thomas E. Burnett Jr. William Cashman Georgine Rose Corrigan Patricia Cushing Jason Dahl Joseph Deluca Patrick Driscoll Edward Porter Felt Jane C. Folger Colleen Fraser Andrew Garcia Jeremy Glick Lauren Grandcolas Wanda A. Green Donald F. 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Paul, I was not talking about releasing suspected terrorists, I was talking about the credibility of your assertions.
If UK, for example, is saying “these are our responsibility, we will deal appropriately with them here”; and US is saying “No, we are going to keep them”; how easy is it to believe it when you assert that you don’t want them.
We don’t want them, but we’re not letting you have them, so we’ll ship them off to another country and let them rot, guilty or not.
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Bill is right. These people have not been tried. Some are possibly not guilty. Punishing them in the manner in which they are being punished is revenge and not justice.
Yesterday was Remembrance Day. It is a day to remember all the soldiers who died, and this year it was the anniversary of the end of WW1. The death toll in that war was terrible. It marked the population of Europe for years to come. Many of the troops died in battle, some in senseless and meaningless conflict.
Six names were added to the War Memorial in Canberra yesterday. They were the names of the latest Australian soldiers to have died in war- this time Afghanistan. Now the memorial stretches from 1914 to yesterday-- that's nearly 100 years of young soldiers dying. No amount if ill-treating the enemy will bring them back.
The prisoners need a trial, and if they are found guilty they need to pay the penalty. At the very least they should be returned to their countries of origin, where they can be brought to trial and dealt with appropriately.
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First off they are not being held in a foreign country. the Guantanimo Cuba Naval Base is U.S. ground.
I agree they should be tried , but there are many things to consider.
1) suppose we tried one and found him not guilty. we then returned him to where we captured him.
he blends in with the population and will always be considered as someone who through information could have caused the deaths of terrorist , how long will he live?
2) if he was found not guilty but really was a terrorist and is returned to where we captured him. he will always be considered as someone who through information could have caused the deaths of his fellow terrorist , how long will he live? what must he do in order to achieve the trust of his fellow terrorist? strap on a bomb and murder hundreds of innocent bystanders?
3) the release of a terrorist will tell terrorist that if they are captured they will be returned at a later date.
perhaps the in humane United States should just strap a bomb on one of them and allow one of them to remotely detonate the bomb while they are having dinner.
we have a bomb , we have innocent people , lets blow us up.
its what they do , they do it well , and they wouldnt care if any of them are innocent or not , they would make a profound statement at that point.
and that statement would be that we are stupid heartless idiots.
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Good logical thinking Paul, but taken to its logical conclusion is the stuff of genocides.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp Since January 2002, 779 men have been brought to Guantanamo. Eight men died in the prison camp and 600 have been released. Most of them have been released without charge or transferred to facilities in their home countries. The Department of Defense often referred to these prisoners as the "worst of the worst", but a 2003 memo by then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld says, "We need to stop populating Guantanamo Bay (GTMO) with low-level enemy combatants ... GTMO needs to serve as an [redacted] not a prison for Afghanistan." As of June 2012, 169 prisoners remained at Guantanamo. According to former US president Jimmy Carter, about half have been cleared for release, yet have little prospect of ever obtaining their freedom.
169 people out of 779 does not sound like genocide to me. half of the 169 detainees have been cleared for future release. how did you arrive at your logical conclusion?
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One of the first things we were told in expert witness training was: Whatever question the opposing barrister asks you, use it as a means to say what you want to say. Either you are working on this principle, Paul, or you are deliberately misconstruing what I am saying. Either way, its getting a bit pointless, and distinctly non-scientific. Another case of quot homines, tot sententiae.
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deliberately misconstruing what I am saying. ? Good logical thinking Paul, but taken to its logical conclusion is the stuff of genocides. pointless, and distinctly non-scientific. Another case of quot homines, tot sententiae. there are many opinions by many men about the detention center but today was the only time I have heard anything about genocide. were you trying to claim something so that I would question you about it so that you could claim that I was in error by questioning you about it? or is that just the way your mind works? but taken to its logical conclusion is the stuff of genocides. perhaps you could elaborate a little bit more about what you were wanting to say.
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I am not suggesting that the following reflects US policy, just that there is a similarity between your reasoning and, for example, the thinking which has resulted in genocide in other parts of the world. Try a line of thought that goes something like your points 1 – 3.
These people might want to blow us up. We should try them to find out. If we try them and find them not guilty, they might be picked on when we send them home. Better not try them, just in case, just keep them locked up. Since we don’t know if they are guilty or not (because we haven’t tried them) we might as well torture them a bit to see what we can find out. These people are all a potential threat, chances are if we let them go they will blow someone up. Wouldn’t the world be a safer place without any of them? Actually it would save a lot of trouble if we just bombed them.
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An understandable sentiment, Paul, but one that would have a more authentic ring to it if the US had not been so reluctant, over the years, to agree to British citizens returning here. I was not talking about just letting terror suspects go free. I was talking about British citizens being returned to this country for trial. Do you think the British are incapable of conducting a fair trial?
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Re re-drawing national boundaries to suit political target. We do that here. We have chopped up Australia into bits that aren't Australia and decided other bits are, so the we can deport refugees there and can say they are not n Australia. The prison is on one of those sort of areas in Cuba. Very legal indeed. And totally morally suss.
Our two guys were returned to us a while ago, One without a trial and scarred from torture in another country from the US, but under its control. The other was tried in America and sentenced, then returned here to finish his sentence. He did so and recently was described as not amongst the 'worst of the worst' after all. Which I am sure he is p[leased about. It's just a shame no one realised that before he served his sentence.
Maybe the idea is that if the whole thing is strung out long enough and the treatment is harsh enough, there will be no one left there after all. Or, as Bill remarks---bomb them. After all that is what happened in their homelands.
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We'll let's hear how you guys would want the detainees to be handled then.
give us an idea of what we should do in your opinion.
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My opinion: Anybody in US custody should be granted the constitutional rights of any American. After all we think that the rights granted us under the constitution are fundamental and all men should have them. That means if we really believe in the constitution we should apply it in all cases. Prisoners of war and convicted criminals are a slightly different situation, but they still have rights.
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Do you think the British are incapable of conducting a fair trial? We'll let's hear how you guys would want the detainees to be handled then. Aggression = evasion, not an answer.
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do we have detainees at guantanamo who are brittish ? its really hard to try and figure out what your trying to say Bill s , maybe you should try and understand that I am not familiar with any brittish detainees , perhaps we have several in city jails awaiting trial in some city. and I dont have a clue about the brittish courts system. so I couldnt answer your question. but where did this come from? Aggression = evasion, not an answer. we were discussing the detainees at guantamino naval base and you seem to want them to either get a trial or released or something , which is why I asked those of you who seem concerned about this matter to post a suggestion or two about what you think we should do with them. just continually repeating that we should do something is senseless , it may be time to say put up or shut up!
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Anybody in US custody should be granted the constitutional rights of any American. there's a problem with that also. http://www.aclu.org/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law The ACLU believes that any military detention of American citizens or others within the United States is unconstitutional and illegal, including under the NDAA. by granting a wartime prisoner the same right's that we have because we are American citizens or our Constitutional right's would mean that a wartime prisoner could not be deported. because American Citizens cannot be deported. I dont think that wartime prisoners should be granted our rights as citizens , which are written down in the constitution and the many additions or amendments to the constitution.
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Let’s get things in perspective. My understanding is that SAGG is a discussion forum. How dull discussion would be if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time. You will recall that I tempered what seemed to be a unanimous appreciation of Obama with a mention of something he had promised but not delivered. That is hardly enough to tarnish the halo of a popular politician, it’s something that most, if not all, do. You seem immediately to have responded as though I had criticised America’s use of Guantanamo Bay. Whatever thoughts I might have had on that subject, I kept them to myself. Any implied criticism was yours. Only in response to your comments, such as: “our People dont want them in the U.S., would you like to have them in Essex?” did I raise the question of the difficulty our Government had negotiating the return of British nationals. Again, this was not a criticism of policy, it was simply an attempt to discover how well your assertions matched reality. Clearly, however appropriate a long list of names may have been to what was in your mind, it did nothing to address my quest for clarity. If you are going to take issue over criticism, it might be a good thing to make sure the criticism is real rather than a product of your interpretation. its really hard to try and figure out what your trying to say Bill s , maybe you should try and understand that I am not familiar with any brittish detainees If you are not familiar with the situation, how wise is it to hold forth about it?
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You complain that prisoners of war aren't citizens and shouldn't have the rights of citizens. I didn't say they should. I clearly said that POWs and criminals were a special case, but that they should still have the basic rights we are guaranteed in the constitution.
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Only in response to your comments, such as: “our People dont want them in the U.S., would you like to have them in Essex?” did I raise the question of the difficulty our Government had negotiating the return of British nationals. maybe its because we can't figure out what you are trying to ask us to do... have you ever considered that being direct and to the point helps in negotiations vs dropping little hints and quoting latin? maybe we will just keep them a few more years until you guys figure out how to actually tell us what you want to tell us... it sounds fair to me. but its not fair to them , now is it. Brittish barganing skills that consist of dilly dallying around in the same manner as you dilly dally around isnt heping. You guys once owned and operated America , however due to your governing skills you lost America to people who didnt understand why you did things the way you did. face it , your tiny little country wouldn't even exist anymore were it not for the in humane U.S. govenment stepping in to save you from ruin (( not once but 3 times now )) , we seem to be capable of governing ourselves and our territories ... the Brittish empire was at one time the greatest on earth what happened ? heres a nice little animated map of the brittish empire as it grows in strength and shrinks in strength. as far as capabilities go , there's a definite capability that the brittish have.
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Thanks Paul, I take it as a compliment to contemporary Brits that those who would criticise us always seem to have to resort to history. Compliment accepted. BTW, there is only one "T" in Britain, in spite of the numerous brands we drink. 
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Paul- It may interest you to know that many of Britain's Empire members still have the Queen as Head of State, and the independence they enjoy was achieved in close co-operation with Britain.
I do not expect others to understand the details of this situation but it is known as The Commonwealth of Nations and is still alive and more or less viable, and an amazing achievement of peaceful independence and growth.
Commonwealth countries are democratic and allow the possibility of equality among their citizens.
No, it's not perfect, but it is a very good effort!
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I suppose this thread could go on forever and all those who seem to think that the U.S. is doing wrong by the terrorist suspects that are in detention camps are only going to complain.
I asked if anyone had any ideas , but that might ease the complaints off a bit , so complaining seem's to be what people here at sagg really want to do.
thats the way I see it.
3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.
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Paul- We have suggested solutions, perhaps you have not processed them.
They are---Try the prisoners in a court of law-- in America or perhaps somewhere neutral if preferred, and deal with them according to the findings.
The guilty ones could go to serve a gaol term* in America, and the others could be returned to their countries of origin-- or offered residence in either the US or a country that was willing to have them. They would have been found 'not guilty' and thus are owed something for their wrong imprisonment.
Or, if they are citizens of another, allied, country they should be dealt with by their country of citizenship.
* I deliberately do not suggest a death penalty. There is none in my country and I do not think that killing people in such a situation makes for anything but martyrs.
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