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A new theory not proven as yet, that our Earth once had two moons.?
Possible proof may come next month when the GRAIL Satellites
are sent up, to circum-navigate our Moon and bring back gravitational data from its far side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTVps-M46tI&feature=relmfu

I'm going out on a limb here , and saying the following.

1) our moon came from our earth.

2) the reason is , an ice age.


the earth used to rotate much faster than it does today.
and then there was water , and then there was a ice age.

the waters of the earth were relocated to the poles.

causing the earth to rotate very fast , what is now our moon
was slung out of the earth.



remember these , if you and your friends get closer to the
center of rotation , the whole thing speeds up very fast , its
really hard to reach the center.

and when water moves to the poles , the same is true.

there's ( what I call ) evidence of this in georgia and in texas.

that's the way I see it!
and I'm sticking to it.

georgia


texas


and here is where ( I think ) the moon came out of the earth.

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=14.912767&lon=-107.52113&z=6.9&r=0&src=yh

Did'nt you mean to say "when the water moves to the equator?"

Since the Earth was hot and 'plastic', I dont think there was
any/much water sloshing around? Did'nt the water arrive later?

Your Texas pic looks similar to Ayers rock in Oz

Where the name Oz come from anyway?

the earth is 4.540 Billion years old
the moon is 4.527 billion years old

that's a difference of 13 million years.

we now know that water is locked up inside the
solid rock of the earth's crust.
in fact there is much more water locked up inside
the rock than there is water on the face / surface
of the earth including all the ice and all the ground water.

which is the reason that a flood could have easily
occurred that would have covered the entire surface
of the earth.

so , the water/water vapor was infused into and locked
into the rock as the rock / earth cooled.

the first time.

and as the earth's crust cooled down it shrank , cracking
the earth's surface apart as it cooled , causing the
tectonic plates to form , and causing enormous amounts of
volcanic activity on the earth due to the pressurized magma releases.

along with this volcanic activity water escaped from the rock
at the faults and through the many diverse volcanoes throughout the earth
which formed all the liquid water from the water vapor.

during this time the heat from the sun was blocked by all the dust
in the atmosphere and this caused the earth to cool.

so it was like a cycle where water vapor was spewing from the earth , then condescending in the atmosphere wherever a cool place was found , then
falling as rain or snow.

the water that formed snow and fell on the poles moved mass
to the center of rotation.

causing the increased rotational speed of the earth.

the increased speed caused a blob of magma to be ejected from
the earth at the equator.

the outcrops found throughout the earth are most likely
due to this very fast spin caused during the first formation
of a earth ice age where the magma tried to spew out and where the magma exhibited rebounding effects after the moon was ejected.

this loss of mass removed much of the momentum the earth had
causing the earth's rotation to greatly decrease.

there were many things happening at once , it's not like you could explain it all away in a single event , and of course it probably repeated this several times on a smaller scale as the earth cooled and re heated as it stabilized throughout the ages.


I can also add this , it is the only feasible reason why the
moon always presents the same face to the earth.

as the magma spewed outwards , the heavier magma would have spewed out last.

this would have caused the moon to be lopsided as far as
weight is concerned as it cooled and became solid.

there is more gravitational attraction between that side of the moon than the rest of the moon , so the moon's center of gravity should be found to be offset towards the earth.

This part has a problem. Unfortunately most of those outcrops are sedimentary rocks, and the ones that aren't are much younger than 4 billion years. There is very little rock on the surface of the Earth that is more than 3 billion years old. None of the oldest rocks are found in the United States.

Assuming that the hill you show in Georgia is a part of the Appalachian chain, or at least an extension of it, it is over 1 billion years old, not over 4 billion.

Bill Gill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain

stone mountain is made from magma , it's not sedimentary.

out on another limb here , I'm going to say that the solid
granite structure of stone mountain and its underlying base was
formed long before the blue ridge mountains.

I cant see how this one portion of ground was pushed upwards
leaving the surrounding ground basically flat.

the blue ridge mountains are around a hundred miles further north.



either way , this still does not detract from the overall
opinion I have on how the moon was formed.

Actually one simple way for that to happen would be if the igneous rock was surrounded by softer rock. Then the softer rock could easily be eroded away. In fact that is why the Appalachians are so much smaller than the Rockies. They are much older and have eroded much more.

Bill Gill

what I was pointing out is that stone mountain is apx 20 miles
east of atlanta , and there are no other mountains around.

it would be very strange for the pressures to cause stone mountain
to form when the continent of Africa was pushing against the southern united states.

if stone mountain was formed due to these pressures then there should have been many more mountains such as stone mountain that would have formed in the area , not just one.

it would be very strange for only one to form.
especially when the entire blue ridge mountain range was being formed 100 miles to the north.
the ground isnt even buckled , there are only slight elevation ripples , and there are no further indications of igneous
rock surfacing in the area.

this is why I think that stone mountain was formed long before the pressures of Africa caused the blue ridge mountain range to form.

I'm still going to say that stone mountain was formed around the same time that the moon was ejected , possibly even before the moon was ejected.

I have no proof or links however.

and , I agree that there was at one time some sediment that covered stone mountain in the past that was eroded away.

moons radius from earth = 283900 miles

moons orbital circumference = 1783796.3087082846007990889130261 miles

moons orbital time = 27.32 days / 655.68 hours


moons present orbital velocity = 2720.5287773125375195203283812624 miles/ hour
45.342146288542291992005473021039 miles / minute
0.75570243814237153320009121701732 miles / second

earths present rotational velocity at equator = 1040.4 miles / hour

2720/1040 = 2.61

the speed at which the earth was rotating when the moon was ejected
was around 2.61 times its current speed of 1040.4 mph

indicating that the earths rotational speed was
apx 2721 mph

if the moon was ejected its angular speed would not have decreased
due to the gravitational attraction between the earth moon system.
the earths rotational speed has decreased greatly
to its current rotational speed of 1040.4 mph , but the moon has not decreased its orbital velocity.

we can take the mass of the moon and the earth and determine if the earth would have remained stable with a rotational speed increasing to 2721 mph due to the formation
of a ice age moving mass to the earths center of rotation...

I would expect that in a simulation of this event the moon would show ejecting at the weakest point along the equator at a point where the thin ocean crust is weakest.

I know , then we can be the only two on the planet that thought
of it first !!!
or at least the only two with the courage to say it.

Im still curious if they can detect the bubble like hole or
cavity in the moon on the far side , which occurred as the moon cooled.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/02/25/science-water-rocks-sherwood-lollar.html

billions of years old water is in the rock inside the earth.
and
billions of years old water is found inside the moon.


http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2008/July/09070802.asp

I did the calculation since no one else did.
and here's a web site for those who didn't.

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/newtonian/centrifugal

I made the number's cut-n-pasteable

the mass of the earth is
5972190000000000000000000.00
the mass of the moon is
73476730900000000000000.00

the mass of the earth and the moon is
6045666730900000000000000.

using 637800 meters as the (radius)
you can only use one of the following (linear speed) or (angular speed)

using 2721 mph as the (linear speed) 'I used linear speed
9.15 hours per revolution as the (angular speed)

using 6045666730900000000000000 kg as the (mass)

results are
Centrifugal acceleration = 0.236562 g
Centrifugal force = 1.40252e+25 N (kg-m/s^2)

these are the result from the centrifugal force
calculator.


14025200000000000000000000.00 N (kg-m/s^2)

of course the above would be like having the entire mass of
the earth and moon at a radius of 637800 meters which really
doesn't say much about it , but the below kind of solidifies
the accuracy of the theory we have.

changing the mass in the calculator to only 1 kg
and leaving everything else the way it is

results in a centrifugal force of 2.31988 N

a 1 N force will cause a 1 kg mass to balance or not fall towards the
earths center of gravity.

changing the (linear speed) selector to earth's curent
equatorial rotational speed or equatorial surface linear speed to 1040.4 mph
shows that a 1 kg mass only experiences a centrifugal force
of 0.339163 N

a 2.31988 N force will cause a 1 kg mass to accelerate away from the earths center of gravity.

the taffy pull work's just fine mike.

I suppose we could plug in the current mass of the moon to check.

1.70457e+23
170457000000000000000000.00 N = the centrifugal force
73476730900000000000000.00 kg = the current mass of the moon
85228500000000000000000.00 N = exactly half of the centrifugal force.

I would have to say that the force that accelerated or propelled the moon initially would make up the difference between the two.

exactly like a taffy pull , only there's gravity to slow the taffy down and put it in orbit around the earth.

Urban Dictionary

1. taffy pull

A large group of self-absorbed people gathering for the purpose of patting themselves on the back, telling the world how great they are, and jacking off
"I watched the Academy Awards last night. What a Taffy Pull!"

No comment!

I hope we haven't upset you bill s , by solving this problem.

or were you just wanting to tell us about the awards?

No upset, Paul, I was just interested in your use of the term "taffy pull". I doubted that it had anything to do with a walshman getting lucky.