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Hello all.
I no longer have the time to discuss and provide written responses for each sentence in the Bible and other Ancient Texts.
So I will just tell you what has been discovered, investigated, and confirmed.
I normally do this in person, but here I will first write an introduction then talk to you via a video presentation.

Religious people have been MISLEAD for over 5,000 years.
Documented accounts by their prophets with ‘gods, God, or Angels’ were encounters with human time travellers - NOT divine supernatural beings.

So in the Bible and other ancient sacred texts, where it says ‘an Angel’, now know they were referring to a human time traveller.

Queensland researcher RONALD PEGG Discovered and Confirmed that at least two modern cd-roms were seen back in the past and their contents have been described in Ancient Texts by certain named prophets.
Just quickly…
In a Sumerian Account they were named Tablet of Destiny and Tablet of Fate.
In Egyptian Mythology they were known as the RA-Disk and the Aten disk.
Moses called them the Tablets of Testimony and named them the Urim and Thummim.
Nostradamus was visited by time travellers and called the cd-roms Wheel of Destiny of Nations and Wheel of Time.
The Queen of France called them ‘magic circles’ and the information was seen on a ‘magic mirror’ (the monitor).
The rod of Moses and the wand of Nostradamus = a computer’s mouse and cable.

The 'End Time' Book with Seven Seals as documented by Daniel and John (Old Testament and Revelation respectively) is specifically referring to one of the two cd-roms. (Full report via link in my signature.)

Ezekiel, Daniel, and John each describe their encounter with time travellers: and what they saw and heard from the cd-roms are what are religiously known as ‘dream’ and ‘vision’ prophecies.

The ‘future history’ (aka. prophecy) documented in ancient texts is also taken from the second cd-rom.

AGNOSTICS are WRONG as there IS evidence that there is/was No God *
(* The Abrahamic GOD as documented in the Old Testament at Genesis 1:1. I was explaining this earlier)

I have confirmed Pegg’s work: there is and was no GOD.

ATHEISTS are WRONG
the Creation Theory IS a scientific theory - as such it has now been proven False.

Genesis Chapter One is an account by Moses of the start up sequence of pictures from one of the cd-roms shown to him by a time traveller. (see video below)

I have confirmed Pegg’s work: there was no ‘Creation’ as religiously perceived: those descriptions are from the cd-roms.
The Creation vs Evolution debate has been resolved.

The voice of GOD heard by Moses was of the male narrator from a second cd-rom.

The Moses and the Burning Bush story is an account of what and who was seen on this second cd-rom’s Persian Gulf War picture.

KJV Bible reads as (Exodus 3:2) “And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush and he looked and behold the bush burned with fire and the bush was not consumed”.

Correcting for syntax, that verse originally read as and meant: ‘A fire flame above the Angel of the LORD: appearing in the middle - Bush: Looked and beheld - Bush was burning with fire: Bush was not consumed.’

Original Hebrew meaning of “Angel” is simply ‘a human messenger, a deputy or envoy’.

The Hebrew word LORD (YH-WH) is the ancient vocalization of the name of the United Nations when sounded as ‘U-N’. The leters ‘UN’ are seen on the disk and the words ‘United Nations’ are spoken.

The ‘angel of the Lord’ ie. the messenger/envoy of the UN (during the Persian Gulf War) was General Norman Schwarzkopf.

On the cd-rom’s PGW picture, is an image of General Norman Schwarzkopf and above him - is what appears to be a red flame. (It is actually the colours of Iraq and Kuwait on the map, but it does look like a flame.)

In the middle of the picture is president George Bush. He is burning with fiery rage.

A still screen shot of this picture can be found at the 5:22 mark on the video below.

Here is the link to the VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/v/hqQKH66BAR4

Here is a report on Genesis Chapter One: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/news/genesis.html

Follow the link in my signature for more information.
Thanks, Eddy Pengelly

I forgot to mention that on the associated website is another video entitled 'Time Travel Encounters throughout History - the Concealed Story within Ancient Texts'.

Fascinating explanation Eddy. It's such a bizarre episode, not the bush burning itself but the voice etc. And why?

Eddy I guess I am an agnostic because I can't really say I have been given a chance to hear the religious side of the argument given my birth country.

However not even I as an agnostic thinks that any of what you have described makes any sense and most almost passes as humour although I am guessing you did not intend as such.

Have you ever actually thought seriously about your absurd claim, assume you can travel in time. Why would you take a CD-ROM back to pre-BC times what would be the point and how would they have ever seen anything on a CD.

Assuming you could travel in time what would be the point of creating a god illussion or confusing the matter in such a way as you suggest.

Finally even assuming it was a time traveller you still haven't answered the question of how and why life is possible the time traveller had to come from somewhere so we still have god creating the universe as a possibility.

So far from settling the answer your argument just sets the argument into a new if somewhat absurd setting.

So I guess you fail miserably at convincing me eddy.

You are so right Orac. Time travelling in pre-BC times would require a ship load of batteries!

Point taken.
Unfortunately, in presenting only two brief extracts from only two ancient texts (Genesis and Exodus) in the OP, the scope of Pegg’s discoveries and findings are not immediately apparent.

I would have thought the videos would have put it all into perspective.
There are in fact over 30 ancient texts that contain the descriptions of modern cd-roms.
To list them all here and to explain them all is just too complex.
Thus the link in my signature, it provides links to resources that enable people to begin to understand what Pegg has found.
Maybe I should have opened my announcement with the following video.

The video entitled “Time Travel Encounters throughout History - the Concealed Story within Ancient Texts” addresses some of these issues.
If you didn’t follow the link, here it is:
http://youtu.be/uuCZTBFC35M

A brief text extract is available for reading here: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/news/release_2012may.html

No. Where religious people cite ancient texts as ‘referring to their God’ - those passages and accounts are of time travel encounters where the contents of the cd-roms were shown to ancient people and they were told to write it all down.
Ezekiel is one of those ancient people who recorded their personal first hand account of the content of the cd-roms.
Brief written explanation: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/ref/ezekiel.html

A video presentation shows some of what is explained: http://www.youtube.com/v/AhhT92Js2LU

So basically you agree with me then even if I accept all your so called evidence and time travel and every other whacked out theory you have eliminated all the religious texts and the like but you still fail at the post title ... YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN THERE IS NO GOD AND NO CREATION.

I am not even religious and I can see the flaw in your logic.


So more correctly your statement for the title of the post should be all religious texts are wrong and you have an explaination of why.

That is a long way short of no god and no creation.

Religious people draw their CONCLUSION from Genesis Chapter One that it is about their GOD and their CREATION Theory - with no evidence to back up their claim, only the fall-back of ‘have Faith’.

Ronald Pegg has presented evidence that the GOD in Genesis Chapter One relates to the picture of Deities on the Ancients cd-rom AND the whole ‘creation sequence of descriptions’ match to the opening sequence of screen pictures from the Ancients cd-rom.

In case you missed it the second time too - the Book of Moses called Genesis, the descriptions in chapter one, are describing pictures, images, and particularly the opening sequence of pictures from the 1995 produced French cd-rom entitled ‘Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean’.

How is this not showing that what is written in Genesis Chapter One is not about a God nor a Creation ?

Again even if I accept everything you say without question all you have shown is the book of genesis is wrong you have not shown that GOD does not exist or creation is false.

Only fundementalists believe in the literal translation of the book of genesis because science already says it is wrong and most religious groups have had to deal with what to make of genesis.

I doubt your fantastic fairytale which "proves" to you that the book of Genesis is wrong is going to shake the religious people they have been dealing with the problem of Genesis since Darwin's time.

I am an extremely logical person call it my background so again I put to you how does some time traveller and CD-ROM's popping up in history prove to me that god does not exist and that god did not create the universe ... I don't follow the conclusion?

Ed



I dont suppose that the French programer who made the
program had any access to the words written in Genesis while
he was programming the program did he?

in 1995 there wouldnt be any Bibles available for the programmer to use to make the program from would there?

because if there were any Bibles available to use as a reference then he could have intentionally designed the program to make people think that his program had somehow
traveled back in time.

he may have known about the picture of the men standing around looking at the object that appears to be a cd-rom and the egyptian hieroglyphics that look like a cd-rom and the cd-rom player.

isnt it entirely possible that this cd-rom was a hoax?

The ‘God’ at Genesis 1:1 IS the God which Religious people say is God.
To them, Genesis 1:1 is the God of their Faith, AND this same God is the same God mentioned elsewhere in the Bible, and is the same God credited with the Creation.
So let us review.
Religious people state Genesis 1:1 as the first place in the Bible that mentions their God.
This God was the ‘one supernatural being’ who did the Creation.
This is what Religious people conclude from the words in Genesis 1:1.
This God is the same supernatural being mentioned in the rest of the Bible.

IF that word in Genesis 1:1 is found to NOT be referring to a supernatural single being, then like a pack of cards, their whole claim and argument falls down. No God - No Creation - No God in the rest of the Bible.

Ronald Pegg found that the ‘God’ in Genesis 1:1 is not about a single supernatural being. Thus a single supernatural being did not form the creation of the world.
Ronald Pegg found that Genesis Chapter One is a series of descriptions of the pictures from the Ancients cd-rom. Thus no creation of the world as perceived by Religious people.
Ronald Pegg found that other chapters attributed by Moses contain historical descriptions taken from the Grolier cd-rom and other modern history books. Thus other parts of the Bible are not about the past deeds of a perceived God.

The first chapter in the Bible is not the only Bible text that describe the contents of modern history books and cd-roms taken back to the past by time travellers. All these other Case Studies augment and confirm Ronald Pegg’s finding regarding Genesis.

Others have asked this or commented in a similar way…

“I dont see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text”

One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration.
Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'.
But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence.

The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery.

Regarding people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...

"Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts."
If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration.

If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration.

If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes...

But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ?

The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.
(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.)

The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…
The Roman section shows things Roman…
The Greece section shows things Greek…
The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…
The Carthage section shows things Carthagian…
…and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon.

Specifically...
Regarding: "Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people traveling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it."

Based upon ten years of investigations - we believe yes. In the Old Testament (Ezekiel), New Testament (Revelation), and Qur'an (Mohammed) encounters where the cd-rom imagery is described, there is an Angel reported as being present, and in the Bible accounts, this angel has a 'sealed book with seven seals' that is opened, and from which 'visions' are seen by the prophet. That prophet's descriptions of these 'visions' are of the contents of the Ancients cd-rom.

We conclude that this 'angel' is some form of time traveller.

The birth of a new Religion...

The CD Rom God.

Reminds me of a scene from one of the old Planet of the Apes Movies where the mutated humans who lived underground worshiped a nuclear device. They built a chapel around it and praised the Glory of the Bomb.

It won't be long before the few who have no interest in the creation of the Universe or the emergence of man and his connection with it will give way to building temples with CD Roms instead of Spires and Crosses as their crowns.

Interesting how people get stuck on interpretations of events rather than the creation of all events and their origin

I don't suppose anyone really has any idea what the angel/Time Traveler was trying to tell anyone other than there was a future and he came from it with his or their beliefs in reality.

I agree with you Tutor Turtle ... Eddy has substitued us believing in one god for another because we are now just supposed to believe his crazy CD_ROM god and story ... and we must accept your proof on faith.

Sorry Eddy you are more crazy than any religious person I know.

You also make religion and god about the book of genesis ...
NEWSFLASH Eddy not all religious people think that the book of genesis is be all and end all of what the bible says infact I would say it is a minority who care about the literal translation of genesis.


I am a non believer in god and you can't convince me Eddy I think that should tell you alot about your argument. Infact I don't think you have convinced or interested a single person so I guess it's back to the drawing board for you.

that may be what YOU think but that does not mean that you can speak for the forum members , Im actually interested in getting to the bottom of this.

i have a few concerns.

1) it may be that someone transported a cd-rom and a computer and a generator and gasoline and himself back in time.

2) he would also take aircraft with him or a aircraft carrier
so that he would have enough fuel to travel the world to share the contents of the cd-rom.

3) if the time traveler was from the future why would he take such an old bulky computer ?
why not just take a tablet with a usb drive?

4) why not just his cell phone with the images and video or the program loaded into the phone?

5) I had the program you are referencing back in the 90's

I no longer have it , I left it somewhere and cant find it.

you said that the cd is mentioned in the bible as a book with 7 seals.

how does a book translate into a cd-rom?

you remember when the very first cd-rom's came out dont you , did you think that a cd-rom was a book or anything resembling a book?

referencing your reference from the bible was this book seen in a vision or not?

I think there are many things remaining to be discussed about the cd-rom time traveler belief.

Take a moment to think of what we are being asked to consider here. The scientific community seems generally to accept that if past-directed time travel is possible, no one would be able to travel back to a time before the invention of the first time machine. If we accept that someone travelled back to around 2,000 BC, then an appropriate time machine must already have been invented at that time. Considering the rate at which technology proliferates, how likely is it that past-directed time travel has been around for 4,000 years without our having seen more evidence of it?

There might be a future with more sophisticated sciences and possibly a reckoning force to deal with indiscriminate time travelers attempting to use time travel for personal gain.


Ya know I might agree with the whole idea that there was no God. At least within the superstitious terms that most people tend to apply the label.. But no creation?

There still tends to be a lack in definition of What God IS and any corresponding definition to Creation either inclusive of separate from the definition of God.

The Time Travel thing is entertaining.. Wonder where the Egyptian Glyph came from. Maybe its a Photoshop add on?

I have steered around the time travel issue because it gets a bit complicated to explain to layman but Bill S is quite correct this sort of thing would almost certainly be precluded by QM theory.

QM theory has become quite explicit about the grandfather paradox in recent years and says it can't happen which is what this is an attempt to invoke.

Why because when something is observed or known it is locked into this reality. If you want a background to this at a layman level read (http://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/are_you_real_quantum_mechanics-90221)

The bottom line is if you travel backwards in time you can only do things which are consistant with the known facts of today and this reality if you want to come back to this point and reality.

So what happens if you did travel back and attempt to kill grandfather well QM has a nasty answer for you most likely you disintergrate or split into a different reality.

Theoretically we are convinced of the no deleting Quantum information rule and last year it was put to the test and theory was shown to be right (http://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html). You will see more complicated experiments on this in the next few years.

So time travel why not excluded by QM makes it very very dangerous for the traveller because the reality they start from has a set of known facts and altering any of them makes the traveller inconsistant with that start reality and unable to go back to it.

So as Bill S says at a science level your idea is in deep trouble as well.

Hi Paul. Here is a link to some FAQs which include an answer to your question: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/ref/faq.html

“A roll of a book” (Ezekiel 2:9).
English meaning of "roll" is 'to rotate' (as in a rotary motion of an object around its own axis).
This is describing a compact disk that spins around (rolls).

But we need to look at the etymology of the English word “roll”. In circa.1225CE it came to mean "rolled-up piece of parchment or paper", from O.Fr. rolle, from M.L. rotulus "a roll of paper", from L. rotula "small wheel", dim. of rota "wheel".
So back when the early religious Latin speaking Romans were translating the Hebrew Bible, their understanding of what we now call a “roll” was a ‘small wheel’. ie. an ancient description of a compact disk.

btw. The religious Romans later employed this ‘sacred small wheel’ as the concept (and exact shape) behind the wafer of the Roman Mass (being the small wafer with the hole in the middle).

This video may also provide answers regarding cd being book with 7 seals: http://youtu.be/-00XueKMyRQ
Then,
here is a link to the Book with Seven Seals Report: http://www.tt2012.com.au/map_scroll/index.html

I am sorry I am still astounded that any sane person takes that garbage seriously would you like a critique of the problems with it :-)

I actually wondering if this was nothing more than a troll exercise because so much of that website is scientifically wrong.