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In my opinion, time can only be defined in terms of change; without change we will not be able to experience or measure time. The universe is running down and therefore I believe there will also be an end of time.

I am going for a few days into the African bush to experience a "slow-down in time". Best wishes for the new year to all members.

Johnny Boy

I agree with your opinion to some extent but that doesn't answer my question.

If an oject or even light is traveling at the speed of light then whatever light is traveling through has the same speed or quicker, as light pushes through it ??????

Time was never created .. it was always present in our head since the term Universe started existing in our head.

Apparently you believe that a universe, absent humans, would also be absent time. And no doubt that a tree that falls in the forest doesn't make a sound unless someone is there to hear it.

that depends on which definition of sound you are using, language is so [content deleted] ambiguous!

Apparently you believe that a universe, absent humans, would also be absent time. And no doubt that a tree that falls in the forest doesn't make a sound unless someone is there to hear it.
DKV: A very good question and a very valid question.
And the answer is ... the Universe is in Indeterminate State .. that is it can not be proved to be Existing and it can be proved Otherwise from our Dimensional Point of View.
As simple as that.
Something like Universe,and our text methodology will take a different meaning depeding upon who you are asking the question.
Even in the case of Human Species you will find that there are people who do not believe in your thought Process and your defintion of Universe.
This diversity of defintion can not be collapsed
using conventional means.
But as I always say the Defintion can collapse into one if you choose the right technology to communicate.
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that depends on which definition of sound you are using, language is so [content deleted] ambiguous!
REP: There is no confusion Rob it so straight forward that I wonder whether you ever took the problem seriously at all.

So since time is a measurement used by thinking creatures and can be percieved as far back as we can imagine, then time sprung into existence with the thinking mind. But at the actual moment of the Bang there was no one to percieve time so time did not exist (until much later). Hense, at the moment of the Big Bang, time existed and did not exist simultaneously.
And that goes for everything: Time, Height, Weight, Plants, Animals, Photons, Universe. Everything sprung into existance at the moment of the first "thinking" creature to perceive it. And the combination of the "assumed" moments before perception and moment after perception causes all things to have existed and to not have existed simultaneously. So thought is the only carrrier for existence.

justine wrote:
"So since time is a measurement used by thinking creatures and can be percieved as far back as we can imagine, then time sprung into existence with the thinking mind."

Balderdash: Utter nonsense. Let me paraphrase this imbecility.

"Since color is a measurement used by thinking creates and can be perceived as far back as we can imagine, then color sprung into existence with the thinking mind."

Ooooh I can perceive texture too? No doubt that too SPRUNG into existence with the thinking mind.

Please try staying awake at school. There is so very much you could learn ... perhaps even to think.

Color, Texture, everything that is perceived existed and did not exist simultaneously.
How would any form of measurement exist with no one to perceive it.

But the theory has holes.
It might be off on whether it has to be a thinking being because even plants measure heat and light in some way in order to turn towards the source. And animals measure distance and height and color, etc. So perhaps instead of a thinking creature, it would have to be a perceiving entity. And if electrons perceive one another and if they can somehow make use of or measure time in some capacity that whould blow big holes in the idea. Then again, an electon wouldn't be concerned with time as it relates to the universe the way people are so concerned about it. Time as people percieve it would only have been around as long as people have been around. Just like english has only been around as long as people have been here to make use of it.

There was the possibility of all these measurments and ways to express and explore the universe. But, the possibility of something and it's actual existance are seperate. So Time was not actualized until the first entity existed to perceive it.

Justine asks:
"How would any form of measurement exist with no one to perceive it."

And the answer is:
Measurement is a natural property of the entire universe. If the sun radiates in the infrared ... planets get hot. That heat is recorded by the temperature of the atmosphere and the water and the ability of the chemistry of life-forms to exist. Thus we know the temperature of this planet going back in history before there was any sentient being running around with a thermometer.

The same thing goes for every other property. I don't need to touch a dinosaur to know the texture of its skin. I don't need to have been alive a billion years ago to know the color of a star whose light was emitted then.

Take the sentient measurer out of the equation and there is a measurement non-the-less as the entire universe reacts and interacts with itself.

Very nicely put, DA. You're a very good teacher when you resist the temptation to insult.
And it's obvious the reason you post here so often is to teach people and help them. You're even poetic. "I don't need to touch a dinosaur to know the texture of its skin."
Lovely, really.

Intelligent questions never beget an insult.

I teach at the University of Washington and am always willing to help those who are genuinely
interested in learning.

If you see me referring some to their local psychiatrist ... or questioning their ability to discern reality ... it is because I genuinely have questions about their ability to think rationally and apply Boolean logic to a problem.