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#40685 - 10/06/11 05:53 PM ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA
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begin here!!

2 bananas * 2 bananas =
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#40687 - 10/06/11 06:03 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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2 bananas * 2 bananas = 4 bananas^2

2x * 2x = 4x^2

2ft * 2ft = 2ft^2

m Unit1 * n Unit2 = m*n * Unit1*Unit2

Consult any algebra book.

Also, algebra does not go in NQS. It's a fundamental tool underlying all of advanced mathematics and science.


Edited by TheFallibleFiend (10/06/11 06:04 PM)

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#40688 - 10/06/11 06:03 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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I say that

2 bananas * 2 bananas = 256^4789564532211 *bananas^.00000564321 *meters/s/s *2 retangle rhinoceroses relaxing on a rather rough rock reading rare recipes

Consult any algebra book and you will find a way to prove that the above is correct.

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#40689 - 10/06/11 06:05 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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It's not surprising that someone who has never studied the subject would reach that conclusion.

Elementary math might as well be magic to the willfully ignorant.


Edited by TheFallibleFiend (10/06/11 06:06 PM)

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#40694 - 10/06/11 06:27 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Wow! The *nerve* of me to use math in a science forum!

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#40695 - 10/06/11 06:27 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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well we will just wait to see what your doctors tell you.

of course you said he wrote the wiki article maybe he just doesnt realize that you didnt want him to explain it so well.

so that it could remain an unknown , so that you can continue to teach children the way that you think things are in reality.

of course if he tells you something other than what you believe exist in reality you can always get a second opinion.
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#40696 - 10/06/11 06:29 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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Quote:
Wow! The *nerve* of me to use math in a science forum!


its not that you use math , its that your math is inconsistent
with correctness.

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#40697 - 10/06/11 06:30 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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I don't teach kids the verbal stuff. I teach them the unambiguous mathematical notation - which you disagree with.

Of course, if the good Doctor says I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but it's a minor issue.

In the mean time, can you tell us what "kwh" means?

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#40698 - 10/06/11 06:32 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul

its not that you use math , its that your math is inconsistent with correctness.



Says you - the guy who has never taken algebra and refuses to open an algebra book.

What does "kwh" mean?

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#40699 - 10/06/11 06:34 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilowatt_hour

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Correct. 1000 watts * 50 hours = 50kwh


above you claim to know what kwh means.

and when I said that

1000 watts * 50 hours = 50,000 watts

I was correct , but you said it was wrong.


1000 * 50 realy does equal 50,000 !!

its simple math but your algebra says its not correct and that is the problem with algebra.

you say that

1000 watts * 50 hours = 50kwh

and that is wrong..

its

1kw * 50 hours = 50kwh

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#40702 - 10/06/11 07:14 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Paul,

1000 watts * 50 hours = 50kwh
That is correct.

1kw * 50 hours = 50kwh
That is ALSO correct.

This is because 1kw means 1000 watts.

Now, can you tell me what 'kwh' means? It's a simple question.

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#40704 - 10/06/11 07:31 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Let's ignore the rest and focus on what we agree about:

1kw * 50 hours = 50kwh

What does "kwh" mean here? You can say it. We already know. But you ought to say it - for your own good.

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#40705 - 10/06/11 07:38 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Quote:
2 bananas * 2 bananas = 4 bananas^2


As a mathematical answer, I have no problem with this, but:

(4 bananas^2)/4 = 1 banana^2, I think.

Would I be spoiling an academic discussion if I were to ask what, in the real world (whatever that is), is the distinction between: a banana and a banana^2?
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#40706 - 10/06/11 07:42 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Is it possible that a banana^2 is a banana * a banana? and if so, is that different from 2 bananas - in a non-mathematical, real-world sort of way. smile
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#40707 - 10/06/11 07:43 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: Bill S.]
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Originally Posted By: Bill S.

Would I be spoiling an academic discussion if I were to ask what, in the real world (whatever that is), is the distinction between: a banana and a banana^2?


Part of the beauty of algebra - which is a foundation of all higher, analytic math (geometry, trig, analytic geometry, calculus, probability, statistics, differential equations, linear algebra, numerical analysis, etc.) - is that interim results don't need to have a physical interpretation.

What's important is that what you have on both sides of an equal sign are actually equal - and that can't happen if the dimensions are inconsistent.

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#40708 - 10/06/11 07:45 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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OK, OK, I know - the real world is a mathematical world - go back to sleep, that man!
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#40710 - 10/06/11 07:50 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Paul, you agree that

1kw * 50 hours = 50kwh

What does "kwh" mean here?

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#40712 - 10/06/11 08:16 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Paul,

Can you just google 'kwh' and tell us what it says?

That's not even algebra.

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#40713 - 10/06/11 09:16 PM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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Visual representation of polynomial multiplication:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TBlQNnHVTw

Still waiting to hear back what 'kwh' means.

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#40716 - 10/07/11 01:58 AM Re: ALGEBRA a discussion about ALGEBRA [Re: paul]
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What does 'kwh' mean?

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