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#40531 - 10/01/11 04:29 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
this is sort of like watching how a person whos brain is in denial mode reacts to problems.
I find it interesting to observe.



Paul,

Everything you have written betrays a thorough lack of understanding of the most elementary mathematics.

You keep making rude taunts to me and to kallog, but almost everything you have written betrays a thorough lack of understanding of the most elementary mathematics.

Take algebra 1 and quit making a fool of yourself - or keep spouting stupid crap. Mathematics is a very beautiful thing, Paul, and a very useful thing to master.

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#40532 - 10/01/11 04:43 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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then maybe you should master it , and stop letting it master you.

after all it is what it is.

its mathematics , you have allowed teachers to prevent you from mastering mathematics.

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and quit making a fool of yourself


I have presented plenty of evidence that supports my logic.

you and kallog have only shown how yourselves and others have been taught wrongly.

rather than using numbers to try and show you your error
I will use words , it might help to break the barrier your brain has thrown up to shield itself due to its brainwashing.

two times two equals four.

two plus two equals four.

two squares plus two squares equal four squares

two squares times two equal four squares

if I count the number of squares in four square feet I find that there are four squares.

if I think about two square feet laid out in a straight line
I can visualize two squares.

but two squares is not square.

if I want to make a square using squares with a area of one square foot I need to use four squares.

if I visualize what I made using the four squares I see one square.

inside the square there are four squares.

four squares in a square equal four squares.

two squares times two in a square equal four squares

two square foot areas times two in a square equals four square foot areas

and four square foot areas in a square equals an area two feet squared

(two feet) x (two feet) = four feet
(two feet squared) x (two feet squared) = four feet squared

thus the below is not correct , not true , not logical

(two feet) x (two feet ) = four feet squared

just like

2ft * 2ft = 4ft^2 is not correct.

but

2ft^2 * 2ft^2 = 4ft^2 is correct

because 2ft^2 = 4 sq ft

so

4 ft * 4 ft = 16 sq ft = 4ft^2



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#40533 - 10/01/11 05:32 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul

when you say
2ft * 2ft = 4ft^2
you are saying
2ft * 2ft = 4ft * 4ft


No, that's the point.

2ft * 2ft = 4 * ft * ft

The ^2 only applies to the ft because that's where the ^2 symbol is.

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#40534 - 10/01/11 05:47 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Quote:

(two feet) x (two feet) = four feet
(two square feet) x (two square feet) = four square feet

thus the below is not correct , not true , not logical
(two feet) x (two feet ) = four feet squared
2ft * 2ft = 4ft^2 is not correct.


wow

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#40535 - 10/01/11 05:52 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: kallog]
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where did I write that?
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#40537 - 10/01/11 06:13 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: kallog]
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The ^2 only applies to the ft because that's where the ^2 symbol is.


maybe you should use the ^2 where it makes more sense.
because your not squaring feet your squaring a number.
feet is the units.
it makes no sense to square units.
youll never get a correct answer.


like 2 bananas x 2 bananas = 2^2 bananas = 4 bananas

2 squared * bananas = 4 bananas

2ft * 2ft = 2^2ft = 4 sq feet

2 squared * ft = 4 sq feet


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2ft * 2ft = 4 * ft * ft


how much is ft * ft?

wouldnt that be squaring the ft

when you should be squaring the number.

4 times ft times ft = 4 ft
because ft does not have a numeric value it is a unit
4 is the value , so you should square the 4
and if you square the only value you have you get

4 x 4 = 16


you said you had a problem understanding why they did things the way they did when you first started math.

its because that is the way they were taught to do it so they just passed it on to you.

now your remembering the way it was before.

that is the correct way.

your problem is that if you teach your students the correct way and their teachers in the future dont understand it
they will get bad grades.

so now you must teach them flawed logic.



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#40541 - 10/01/11 06:59 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Paul, you're a waste of time. Learning mathematics is well worth the effort - an effort you have not taken.

The only evidence you have presented is that you don't understand the very limited reading you have done on the Internet.

Take a class in algebra 1.


Edited by TheFallibleFiend (10/01/11 06:59 PM)

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#40542 - 10/01/11 07:03 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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you dont have to believe me.
just tell me how many square feet are in a 4ft^2 area.

and how many ones are in 4^2

and what does 4^2 represent?

most importantly , tell me how do you square a number.









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#40543 - 10/01/11 07:24 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Paul, I have tried to explain it to you. You are not interested in understanding, because you think you already know it, despite the fact that you have never taken a class in it.

From your perspective, it could be that I have not gotten a master's in engineering math, that I have not taught and tutored math, that I have not read many books on math both in and outside the class, that I have not solved numerous problems in various mathematical disciplines, that I do not use math nearly every day of my life.

But you gotta know that *YOU* have not.

You're just going through the motions. What creationists are to science, you are to mathematics. I won't waste on more second discussing this with you.

Take a class in algebra 1.

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#40544 - 10/01/11 07:25 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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you dont have to believe me.
just tell me how many square feet are in a 4ft^2 area.

and how many ones are in 4^2

and what does 4^2 represent?

most importantly , tell me how do you square a number.

see , you wont answer the simple questions above because you know its a trap , if you do answer them I can compare your answers to your past replies and in doing so it will show that you are wrong.


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#40545 - 10/02/11 02:56 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Let me have a go answering

Originally Posted By: paul

just tell me how many square feet are in a 4ft^2 area.

4

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and how many ones are in 4^2

16

Quote:

and what does 4^2 represent?

16

Quote:

most importantly , tell me how do you square a number.

Multiply it by itself

Quote:

see , you wont answer the simple questions above because you know its a trap , if you do answer them I can compare your answers to your past replies and in doing so it will show that you are wrong.

I accept everything TFF has said on this subject. I know that you can't be trapped when using a consistent system so do your worst.

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#40546 - 10/02/11 03:08 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
maybe you should use the ^2 where it makes more sense.
because your not squaring feet your squaring a number.
feet is the units.
it makes no sense to square units.


http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/kenny/papers/units.html

Did you ever wonder why you're the only person on the planet who was blessed with the true understanding of how to multiply measurements? Even the people who invented the things you're using somehow didn't understand it. But you do. Did God give you this insight in a vision, or is it just the default state of not ever stopping to think about it?

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#40548 - 10/02/11 12:44 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: kallog]
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Quote:
just tell me how many square feet are in a 4ft^2 area.

4

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and how many ones are in 4^2

16

Quote:

and what does 4^2 represent?

16

Quote:

most importantly , tell me how do you square a number.

Multiply it by itself

so 4^2 = 16
but
4ft^2 = 4

therefore

2 x 2 = 16 because 4^2 = 16

and if I add units to describe what the numbers represent

2ft x 2ft = 4ft^2 because 4ft^2 = 4

well kallog , since you are incapable of seeing the error
in your logic above I can find no reason to think that you
are a worthy opponent when it comes to a discussion

involving math.







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#40549 - 10/02/11 01:20 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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suppose I wanted to buy enough wood to put new flooring on a room in my house.

I measure the room

its 20 ft x 20 ft = 400ft^2

I submit my order to the lumber yard

the order reads 400ft^2

he is used to orders that read in sq ft

but he knows how to build a square

and he knows what something squared means

so the man who pulls the order uses a calculator and pokes in 400
into his calculator then he presses the square button to square the 400.

and this tells him how many square feet of board Im ordering

he then sends me 160,000 sq ft

the person who took my order thinks like you so
I was only charged for 400 sq ft , he just thinks
that 400ft^2 is the way you write 400 sq ft

so he writes 400ft^2 on the order slip that I take to the
lumber yard.

I see money here , all I need to do is buy lumber from people
who think like you and I can get rich by selling their extremely cheap
lumber because they sell lumber
by the ft^2 at the same price that others sell it for by the sq ft.





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#40550 - 10/02/11 03:29 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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so 4^2 = 16 [yes]
4ft^2 = 4 [no]
2 x 2 = 16 [no] because 4^2 = 16 [yes]
2ft x 2ft = 4ft^2 [yes] because 4ft^2 = 4 [no]

As I've said before, the ^2 applies only to the "ft", not to the 4. Your reasoning above doesn't work when read that way. This is the common convention. It's not a natural truth, it's just an arbitrary agreement on how we write math so people can understand each other.

If you want to square the 4 but not the ft, then put the squared symbol on the 4 and not on the ft.

4^2 ft

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#40551 - 10/02/11 03:38 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
the order reads 400ft^2
...
he is used to orders that read in sq ft
...
he then sends me 160,000 sq ft
...
I was only charged for 400 sq ft , he just thinks
that 400ft^2 is the way you write 400 sq ft


Can you show me any evidence of anyone, anywhere, ever who considers considers any of the following represent different areas?

400 square feet
400 sq ft
400 ft2

Or is it just you?

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#40552 - 10/02/11 04:18 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: kallog]
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299,792,458 m / s x 299,792,458 m / s = c^2

the speed of light squared is
89875517873681764m/s

not

89875517873681764m/s^2






b=8.5
b^2 = 75

like

4 = 4
4^2 = 16

2ft x 2ft = the square root of 16 sq ft

which is 4ft^2

is not correct



http://www.math.com/school/subject1/lessons/S1U1L9DP.html

we are getting smarter arent we kallog?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_number

this is where this all started

Quote:
Answer: 2 bananas * 2 bananas = 4 bananas^2 (4 bananas squared)


4 bananas squared
4 bananas^2

but

4 bananas^2 = 16 bananas
and 2 bananas x 2 bananas = 4 bananas

his problem and yours also is that he is squaring the bananas

bananas x bananas = bananas

not squared bananas

if he would have said that
2 bananas x 2 bananas = sqr of 4 bananas squared or sqr 4 bananas^2
he would have neen right














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#40553 - 10/02/11 05:30 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
the speed of light squared is
89875517873681764m/s
not
89875517873681764m/s^2

Google itself says the "speed of light squared" is:
"the speed of light squared = 8.98755179 1016 m2 / s2"
Did the workers at Google also make the same mistake as me, TFF, scientists, engineers, math teachers and salesmen?


Can you tell me how you expect me to simplify these? I'm not asking what you think they should be, but what you expect me to think.

4^2

4^2 ft

4 ft^2

4^2 ft^2

(4ft)^2



Edited by kallog (10/02/11 05:36 PM)

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#40554 - 10/02/11 05:33 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: kallog]
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Neither


then what is the speed of light squared then kallog?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

The speed of light in vacuum, usually denoted by c

notice it does not say c^2

Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second

so if you square c it becomes c x c = 89875517873681764m/s

but in your illogical world that you exist in it may be

only 4 bananas^2

correct?




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#40556 - 10/02/11 05:42 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
Quote:
the speed of light squared = 8.98755179 1016 m2 / s2

thats acceleration kallog , not speed!!!
m/s/s is acceleration not speed !!!
speed is just m/s


It's not speed or acceleration, it's m^2/s^2.

Please state more clearly that you believe the Google calculator is wrong. You can test it yourself by typing in "speed of light squared".

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