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 #40639 - 10/05/11 12:16 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 your right , Im sorry I was so wrong...4 ft^4 is only 256 square feetso according to you and that web site 2ft^2 * 2ft^2 = 256 ft^4WOWLOL LOL LOLits obvious that your trickery is not even close to an answer that is even slightly reasonable , just like your math is not even slightly reasonable.can anyone say idiot?I can...guess what genius 4^4 = 2564^1 = 44^2 = 164^3 = 644^4 = 256 now enter in the sqr of 4 * itself sqr (4) * sqr(4) = 4 _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
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 #40640 - 10/05/11 12:24 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] TheFallibleFiend Megastar Registered: 06/08/05 Posts: 1940 Loc: http://thefalliblefiend.blogsp... Originally Posted By: paulyour right , Im sorry I was so wrong...4 ft^4 is only 256 ft^4 The program doesn't give that result.Did you cut-n-paste your expressions into the web page?What were the answers?Originally Posted By: paul sqr (4) * sqr(4) = 4 Correct.The functional notation sqr() is not standard and is therefore ambiguous. Sometimes it means square root and some times it means square. However, Wolfram uses it to mean square root ... and will give the answer you expect.Do you think *I* programmed Wolfram Alpha? Top
 #40641 - 10/05/11 12:27 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 Quote:The program doesn't give that result.click on where it says result 4ft^4it then shows you 256 ft^4 LOLnow poke 256 ft^4 in and see what that means becausehe still shows it squared.LOLit has now become 4.295×10^9 ft^4 (feet to the fourth)idiots breed idiots I suppose. _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40642 - 10/05/11 12:34 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 Quote:Do you think *I* programmed Wolfram Alpha?no , I dont.I think you just dont want to admit that *YOUR* wrong.LOL _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40643 - 10/05/11 12:37 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 Quote:Did you cut-n-paste your expressions into the web page?What were the answers?I didnt cut-n-paste I typed them in.2 ft^2 * 2 ft^2 =I even tried 2 ft squared * 2 ft squared =and got the same 4 ft^4 result below !!!Quote:4 ft^4 (feet to the fourth)4 anythings ^4 = 256 anythingsalso it doesnt equal 256 anythings ^4 _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40644 - 10/05/11 12:43 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 Quote:Mathematica that many scientists use.Im not sure if he uses the same brilliance in his program as he uses in his web site but to be on the safe - logical - side Im going to plan all of my trips in the future to avoid any tall buildings and bridges and things that could break if a scientist or engineer was involved in its design , thanks for the tip. _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40645 - 10/05/11 12:49 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] TheFallibleFiend Megastar Registered: 06/08/05 Posts: 1940 Loc: http://thefalliblefiend.blogsp... Originally Posted By: paulQuote:Did you cut-n-paste your expressions into the web page?What were the answers?I didnt cut-n-paste I typed them in.2 ft^2 * 2 ft^2 =I even tried 2 ft squared * 2 ft squared =and got the same 4 ft^4 result below !!!Quote:4 ft^4 (feet to the fourth)4 anythings ^4 = 256 anythingsalso it doesnt equal 256 anythings ^4 Well. At least you did it. This is the same answer that ANY scientist, engineer, or mathematician on the planet would give you. The problem with doing things your way is this -you end up with things being equal that can't possibly actually BE equal AND for sufficiently complex problems you will get inconsistencies.The advantage of using the standard way is that it is ENTIRELY consistent.Originally Posted By: paul4 anythings ^4 = 256 anythingsNo. The fourth power only applies to the "anythings," not the first 4.(4 anythings) ^4 = 256 anythings^44 anythings^4 = 4 (anythings^4) Top
 #40646 - 10/05/11 12:49 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 Quote:The functional notation sqr() is not standard and is therefore ambiguous. Sometimes it means square root and some times it means square. However, Wolfram uses it to mean square root ... and will give the answer you expect.I was wondering if he only programmed it to use a squared number such as 4 which has a sqr of 2 to perform multiplication.thats why I entered sqr4 * sqr4 and thats the only time I got a correct answer.4 not 4^2 _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40647 - 10/05/11 12:54 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 Quote:Sometimes it means square root and some times it means square.I've never heard that one before. _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40648 - 10/05/11 12:58 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 I thought about this , its not him that is at fault here.its teachers and books that failed to properly teach students the way to write equations.and to provide proper notation methods and symbols.ie ... theres no symbol for square !!if he would have been taught properly his program would reflect it. _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40649 - 10/05/11 01:05 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 above I posted the link to the interpretation of4ft^4are you saying that 256 ft^4 is the correct answer?to 2ft^2 * 2ft^2 =if so then why stop at 4lets make math even more stupider than it is becomming so that even more time is wasted teaching crap like this to students as they are trying their best to learn math.why not make it 4 ft^400000instead of making it 4ft^2 which is what the freakin correct answer would be.ie...4 ft squared wouldnt that be much more difficult to understand thereby ensuring that we will need more and more teachers to fill the void that this crap would create...also they would need supercomputers to run the calculations on..ah...it would be good for the economy wouldnt it , but not our economy. _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top
 #40650 - 10/05/11 01:26 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] TheFallibleFiend Megastar Registered: 06/08/05 Posts: 1940 Loc: http://thefalliblefiend.blogsp... Originally Posted By: paulabove I posted the link to the interpretation of4ft^4 Actually, that link is to the expression: (4 ft)^4which is different from: 4 ft^4When you use the words: "4 feet to the fourth"it's ambiguous - there are two possible meanings. It picked one of them and it happened to be the first one instead of the second one.Originally Posted By: paulare you saying that 256 ft^4 is the correct answer?to 2ft^2 * 2ft^2 = No. If you cut and paste "2ft^2 * 2ft^2" it gives the same result I gave which is 4ft^4.You wrote: if so then why stop at 4Why stop "what" at 4?Originally Posted By: paullets make math even more stupider than it is becomming so that even more time is wasted teaching crap like this to students as they are trying their best to learn math.It's not stupid just because you don't understand the reason for it. Kallog mentioned "dimensional analysis" a while back. That's a basic science concept. You can't get answers that make any sense at all in the real world if you don't keep the dimensions on both sides of the equation the same.Originally Posted By: paulwhy not make it 4 ft^400000I have no idea how you conclude this. This stuff would be so much easier if you tried to understand it BEFORE you criticize it. Top
 #40652 - 10/05/11 01:51 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] TheFallibleFiend Megastar Registered: 06/08/05 Posts: 1940 Loc: http://thefalliblefiend.blogsp... Originally Posted By: paulthe correct answer is 4ft^2 which is 16 feetyou idiots can think of it otherwise if you choose but please dont build anything that could injure normal people. The problem is that if you ignored that (as in calculated higher moments) it is virtually certain that your calculation would bring the bridge down.You can check this on google's calculator, too, but it keeps converting to meters when you type in feet. But you can cut n paste: 2m^2 * 2m^2 and you get 4m^4. (Same math ... just using meters instead of feet.)http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/features.html#calculatorSo you think google's in on the conspiracy?Works the same way with the calculator at: http://web2.0calc.com/Just cut n paste 2m^2 * 2m^2 to get 4m^4.Are they in on it too?EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIST, MATHEMATICIAN, AND ENGINEER ON THE ENTIRE PLANET DOES MATH THIS WAY ... including the ones you cite. You think we're all idiots ... and you, the guy who knows the absolute least and won't even make the effort to understand it are the only one who gets it? Edited by TheFallibleFiend (10/05/11 01:59 AM) Top
 #40653 - 10/05/11 02:07 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] TheFallibleFiend Megastar Registered: 06/08/05 Posts: 1940 Loc: http://thefalliblefiend.blogsp... Actually ... I don't know if they use higher order moments in building bridges (maybe they do ... I don't know). I retract that. The actual point is sufficient without exaggeration.If you aren't keeping your dimensions consistent on both sides of an equation then none of your equalities are actual equalities. It's one of the first checks that every first year engineering student learns.In this case, it's mostly a matter of convention. (But the "logic" is that the math has to be consistent ... which it won't be in your method.) Top
 #40654 - 10/05/11 03:19 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Originally Posted By: paulQuote: You can already say 3*3=3^2and I can say 2ft * 2ft = 2ft^2 (two foot squared) How many times have I told you why this is wrong?The ^2 symbol applies to what's immediately before it.That's how it's defined.It's not logic, it's just an arbitrary convention of how math symbols are written. If you don't follow the convention then don't use the same symbols, because nobody will understand you. Top
 #40655 - 10/05/11 03:22 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul] kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Originally Posted By: paul2anythings*2anythings = 4anythings 2x * 2x = 4x?Are you sure? Top
 #40656 - 10/05/11 03:29 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Originally Posted By: TheFallibleFiendYou can check this on google's calculator, too, Sorry, Google's calculator is contaminated by an employee who learnt the wrong way from a book. You can see for yourself that it uses units of m^2/s^2 for the "speed of light squared". A speed should be m/s of course!!! This isn't Google's fault, just one of its workers. Top
 #40658 - 10/05/11 02:09 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C paul Megastar Registered: 03/21/06 Posts: 4136 Quote:Are you sure?I suppose I should rephrase that.2 anythings * 2 anything = 4 anythingsas long as the anything are the same units.the answer would also be delivered in anything units. _________________________ 3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science. Top