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#40509 - 10/01/11 05:23 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul


Originally Posted By: tff

It's not 3ft^2. Its (3ft)^2 =3ft * 3 ft = 9 ft^2.


find 9^2 below
...
9^2 = 81
...



Have you ever taken algebra I?
Do you have an algebra I book?

9ft^2 is not 9^2.
But I think your calculator is confusing you.

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#40510 - 10/01/11 05:24 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
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It doesn't help to type into a calculator, if you don't type in the right thing. I get my students to solve problems without the calculator.


that darn calculator might tell on you !!!

it should at least be used to check answers.



Calculators can be used to check answers, but it's better to check other ways. I teach them that too. I also tell them to check their answers in the book.

Do you have an algebra 1 book handy?

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#40511 - 10/01/11 05:39 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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3ft^2 means 3 * (ft^2)

This is different from (3ft)^2

Can we get back to the even simpler example?

It seems like you agree that x*x = x^2. Is that correct?

Do you also agree that x * x is just another way to write 1x * 1x?

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#40513 - 10/01/11 07:50 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
there are 6 sq ft on that cubes surface.


Seriously, stop using:
sq ft
square feet
feet squared

There's no need. Disagreeing about that is a pointless distraction from the real issue.

Just use math notation:

ft
ft^2
ft^3
or whatever is appropriate.

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#40514 - 10/01/11 08:03 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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Originally Posted By: TheFallibleFiend

It seems like you agree that x*x = x^2. Is that correct?

Do you also agree that x * x is just another way to write 1x * 1x?


He won't agree to that, or anything that he didn't come up with himself. He can see you're going to use logic to trap him and won't get caught.

See he didn't agree to anything in my blue list of equations, except the one he wrote himself? Even the simplest ones he refused to agree to.

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#40515 - 10/01/11 08:15 AM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
I say its 9 sq ft = 3ft^2


You are applying the ^2 to the 3 instead of the ft.

The ^2 is on the ft, so that's what it applies to.

You already saw that Wikipedia, TFF and me all agree on this. Here are other people:

A 1000 ft^2 apartment plan. That's 1000000 square feet?

Another 1000ft^2 apartment. Could it be 1000ft wide?



Where is any other party that agrees with you?



Edited by kallog (10/01/11 08:25 AM)

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#40517 - 10/01/11 02:36 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: kallog]
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Where is any other party that agrees with you?


there are others and I have put links to them.

did your brainwashing refuse to allow you to look!!

did your brainwashed brain even allow you to look at your own evidence?

http://www.lyberty.com/blog/articles/roomage/1013_sq_ft_2bdrm_chaucer.html

I did find 2 instances where he also uses ft^2 to describe sq ft

which is wrong.
but hes a salesman not a mathematician

1000 ft^2 = 1000000 sq ft

it is becoming a problem and there are others who have realized the errors that their teachers have instilled into their thought processes.

it is evident in the following wiki article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_(geometry)

even though the math on the page clearly shows that
a squared number = 4 times itself your brainwashing will not allow you to understand it.

perimeter of a square = p=t^2

where
p = perimeter
t = length of a side
^2 = squared ( ie... 5 X 5 = 25 )

and the area of a square

a=t^2

where
a = area
t = lenght of a side
^2 = squared ( ie... 5 X 5 = 25 )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root

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In mathematics, a square root of a number x is a number r such that r^2 = x, or, in other words, a number r whose square (the result of multiplying the number by itself, or r r) is x.For example, 4 is a square root of 16 because 4^2 = 16.


what you guys are doing is you are using notation wrongly.

your numbers are correct but your notation is wrong.

ie... 2ft * 2ft = 4ft^2

so what you are saying above is that
2ft * 2ft = the square root of 16 = 4ft^2


unless you guys are thinking of trying to patent the idea or a idea based on this idea , which I strongly sudgest that you dont try , theres really no way that you could possibly not understand what Im saying.

you try to contact someone about this to get funding and we may not finish this discussion.

I have found that discussing a idea is ok , but getting funding for a idea is impossible.



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#40518 - 10/01/11 03:24 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Paul,

It seems like you agree that x*x = x^2. Is that correct?

Do you also agree that x * x is just another way to write 1x * 1x?

Do you have an algebra I book?

Have you ever taken algebra I?

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#40519 - 10/01/11 03:27 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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It seems like you agree that x*x = x^2. Is that correct?


It may seem that way to you , because your brain must be telling you that.

show me where you got that impression.
also put the post # so that I can find where you took it out of context because I would not have given that impression unless I was describing how you or kallog would write it.


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#40520 - 10/01/11 03:30 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul

I have found that discussing a idea is ok , but getting funding for a idea is impossible.



Maybe if you took algebra I, before showing potential sponsors any more equations, you would have better luck.

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#40521 - 10/01/11 03:38 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
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It seems like you agree that x*x = x^2. Is that correct?


It may seem that way to you , because your brain must be telling you that.

show me where you got that impression.



In one msg you wrote:
Originally Posted By: paul

it means that its squared.

10^2 = 100


Originally Posted By: paul

2 x 2 = 4

a number that is squared is that number multiplied by itself.


so you agree that
10^2 = 100 (same thing as 10*10)

And you agree that
2 x 2 = 4 (same thing as 2^2)

That is you agree that for any integer, n

n^2 = n*n

Is that wrong?

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#40522 - 10/01/11 03:40 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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no , the people who fund ideas such as this dont know math to the extent that they could determine if it would or would not work.

so they rely on people almost exactly like kallog to give them their opinion if the idea would or would not work.
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#40523 - 10/01/11 03:42 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
almost exactly like kallog to give them their opinion if the idea would or would not work.

And you don't think taking algebra 1 would help?

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#40524 - 10/01/11 03:42 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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there are others and I have put links to them.

Please remind me where. So far the only thing suggesting it's wrong is you repeatedly saying it's wrong. No reasons, no references, just claims.

Quote:

2ft * 2ft = 4ft^2

Yes

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#40525 - 10/01/11 03:47 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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That is you agree that for any integer, n

n^2 = n*n

Is that wrong?


no thats right

n*n = n^2

5 * 5 = 25

5^2 = 5 * 5

so if you do an equation as below

5 * 5 = 25^2

then you are saying that 5 * 5 = 25 * 25

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#40526 - 10/01/11 03:58 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: kallog]
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2ft * 2ft = 4ft^2

Yes




when you say

2ft * 2ft = 4ft^2

you are saying

2ft * 2ft = 4ft * 4ft

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#40527 - 10/01/11 03:59 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul

no thats right

n*n = n^2



Good. Do you think that if you change the variable from n to x that the equation is still true?






Edited by TheFallibleFiend (10/01/11 03:59 PM)

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#40528 - 10/01/11 04:02 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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Good. Do you think that if you change the variable



first you used integer which is a number
then you changed integer to variable

were not using a variable.

were using numbers

why is it that you want to use variables?

because variables vary?

you guys are so hardheaded that if you were to bump heads each of you would find yourselves in a separate galaxy.

do you see the way your brainwashed brain is affecting your logic?

no amount of information can cause your brain to accept the truth.

so if you do an equation as below

5 * 5 = 25^2

then you are saying that 5 * 5 = 25 * 25

so if you do an equation as below

5ft * 5ft = 25ft^2

then you are saying that 5ft * 5ft = 25ft * 25ft

so if you do an equation as below

5x * 5x = 25x^2

then you are saying that 5x * 5x = 25x * 25x



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#40529 - 10/01/11 04:11 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: paul]
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Originally Posted By: paul
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Good. Do you think that if you change the variable


were not using a variable.



We WERE using a variable. That's what the n was.

I wrote n*n = n^2 and you agreed with it, perhaps not understanding what I was getting at.

That's one point of algebra - using symbols to express general relationships.

Every time you've written equations previously, whether p=mv or whatever, you have used variables. And the point of this is that if mathematics is to be consistent you have to apply the same rules regardless of whether you are manipulating numbers or variables or functions.

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#40530 - 10/01/11 04:18 PM Re: Record Cold in New Zealand 1903 -26.6 C [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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this is sort of like watching how a person whos brain is in denial mode reacts to problems.
I find it interesting to observe.

here is what you originaly wrote...

Quote:
That is you agree that for any integer, n

n^2 = n*n


and I agreed because its correct , its true , its logical.

Quote:
We WERE using a variable. That's what the n was.

I wrote n*n = n^2 and you agreed with it, perhaps not understanding what I was getting at.


Quote:
The integers (from the Latin integer, literally "untouched", hence "whole": the word entire comes from the same origin,



Quote:
In mathematics, a variable is a value that may change within the scope of a given problem or set of operations.
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