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viola !!!

BP is already there , and I suppose they were not the first to do this.




http://solarpowerauthority.com/bp-gas-stations-with-solar-canopies/


http://www.bp.com/genericcountryjump.do?categoryId=9070&contentId=7038143

its wise to diversify

just ask the irish potatoe growers.

so I suppose that BP is taking the initiative and putting fourth the effort to install the necessities
or at least the framework for the future energy need of those who are concerned about lowering their carbon footprint.

Beautiful!



Exciting !



its like night or day , dirty or clean , right or left.


which shoe would you rather wear?




of course those who are not all that concerned about their carbon footprint might consider other reasons to buy a electric car.

http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl...mp;aql=&oq=

So your admitting that the CO2 emissions have doubled
in the last 50 or so years because of the impact that chinas energy production facilities has produced.

obviously before the big power move occured due to trade restrictions removal chinas energy production along with chinas carbon footprint was almost null.

hmmm , you should have looked a little further.

the ones I found state that you can instantly use your phone that had a dead battery while its charging and that it delivers a long lasting charge in a couple of minutes.



I would think that when considering 2 hours charging time vs 2 minutes charging time along with instant use
this would be considered suddenly , perhaps I should have used quickly instead.


of course I did get that information from the user reviews which were all good.

so I would think that you could use several rechargeable batteries instead of always buying new batteries to get the instant recharge.

you could even keep batteries charging in your car while driving.

If it was a genuine cost-cutting decision then it wouldn't be restricted to companies trying to create a green public image. Ordinary businesses would be doing it too, without advertising the fact.

Maybe in the future that will happen, but so far grid electricity is still too cheap and has too low a startup cost.

As was China's quality of life.

At the end of the day both countries use the same main energy sources - coal and oil.

How about stop considering people from other countries as less deserving than from yours.

Of course, it's just powered off the external battery instead of its own. You could also instantly use an electric car while it's charging. As long as you have a long enough extension cable!


Meaningless statement. Long lasting clearly doesn't mean fully charged. It could mean 1 hour of talk time.



Drive around with two sets of batteries? Then you don't need to charge them, just use them all simultaneously and you'll go further before they're all flat. When that happens you still have to plug in to recharge.

or

How about you stop considering people from other countries as more deserving than from mine or any other country that has had its economy ruined by doing trade with china and its low wages.

unless you think that people in other countries have a birthright that makes them more deserving.

not true , with a high usage of electric cars there could even be certain lenghts of roads that could charge the car as you drive on the road.

sort of like a toy race car that gets its electricity from the track.

its not restricted , at least here in the U.S.A. it isn't ( this isn't china yet ) perhaps it will be in a few years or so if we get more republicans in office.

Im sure the republicans would find a seemingly good reason for destroying yet another good thing standing in the way of their constituents ability to rake in the riches.

I wonder what happened to the solar that President Carter installed on the White House?




heres a few who seem to care about the environment

Intel
Dell
Kohls
Johnson and Johnson
Whole foods market


these buisnesses buy green energy , they pay more for it
also.

and if if was a cost cutting decission then you must also be able to figure in the extra buisness that has been a result of their greeness.


heres a car wash that uses solar thermal energy to preheat its water to save a bundle of energy on its hot water bills.


http://www.thesolarguide.com/solar-thermal/casestudy1.aspx

Boeing will use a array that is the size of eight football fields of solar panels.



theres one really good thing about using solar.
you never have to worry about any power outages.

or any rate increases.


and those are just a few of the top companies that will
use solar or alternate energy sources , so there must be something to it.

Of course. That's why they do it. Nobody in charge actually cares about the environment - of if they do, they're not allowed to let that influence their decisions. It's only about money.



That's a totally different issue. Solar thermal is already widespread and already cheaper than electricity in many places. I have a solar water heater on my house. It's just cheaper that way. But we're talking about electrical power, not low-temperature heat.


Is it never nighttime in America? Do land values never increase? Don't landowners have to pay rates?



Yes, marketing. When some unknown grubby owner-operator factory at the back of the industrial zone is using it to save money, and doing it without subsidies from taxpayers, or marketing to its customers, then there'll be some intrinsic value in it.

It's not a birthright, it's just doing things better or cheaper. It's called the free market. It's one of the principles that America was built on.

If you want to clamp down on trade to protect regions of the world, how about restricting trade between states inside the US? Applying tariffs to the "import" of cheap agricultural products from Alabama would create jobs in Florida. You guys shouldn't have your economy ruined by doing trade with low-wage mid-west states!

China is also a big importer of American goods. One of the few other countries where American cars are popular. You want to lose that export market? You want to become isolated in the world, like the DPRK?

lets talk numbers here , how many people are there in china , and how many people are there in the U.S.?

the below figures are trade imports and exports between the U.S. and china.

and china has 1.3 billion people vs our 300 million.
but for some strange reason the balance isn't balanced
very well.

you would think that the U.S. exports would be much higher according to the working population in china.

or is it that even wallmart in china limits the sell of
imported goods in china in preference of chinese made goods , unlike the wallmarts in the U.S. that only sell imported goods.


http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html




as long as it is accompanied by a loss of the imports I
cant see where it would be a slight problem at all.

in fact it would mean a business boom again in the U.S.



I don't think that the U.S. was isolated before free trade
began , now was it? , in fact the U.S. had no worries financially at all.

back in the day , before our politicians decided to sell out the people of america we didn't even worry about allowing people from other countries crossing our borders , we needed the help because there were plenty of jobs.

which is another problem that is the result of republican politicians politics that they are now complaining about.

if they had a barn they would paint it red , then they would complain about the color , even though there were several colors of paint at the paint store.

Because most of those 1.3 billion are still fairly poor. That and, as you said, they buy locally made products simply because they're cheaper! Why can't America make things so cheaply? Oh yes, American workers need money to fund their drug habits and pay for cars they only need because they choose to live too far away from their work. And they want lots of other luxuries.



Already been tried in the DPRK. They regularly suffer famines. There's one happening right now. They protect their farmers's business by not freely importing food, but the general population suffers as a result.

You seem to be thinking that businesses making money is all that matters. Quality of life for people is also important, and that has improved by being able to buy things you would not have been able to afford if they were only available locally made.

That's why people actually buy Chinese imports. They want them!!

if they are built so cheaply then how is it that the chinese products sell for apx the same price that the american products sold for before they were manufactured in china?

so theres no real reason why these same products could not be made in america again.

but the real reason that products are made in china is the large profit that companies make because of the low wages in china.

if a product cost $1.00 to build in china and ship to the U.S. it will probably sell for $20.00 in the U.S. stores.

thats a $19.00 profit being made because of low wages.

but it might be possible to beat the low chinese labor
wages by using robotics in the U.S. and powering them with solar energy , and shipping the products to different states using electric solar powered cars and trucks.

you get it?

So go to Ebay, it's full of individuals importing things and selling them cheaply, isn't it?



Strangely enough I once heard a Chinese economist/spokesman/something criticizing America for being upset about losing low-skill manufacturing jobs. He said America is still far ahead of them technologically and educationally. That they should make use of their advantages to help their economy instead of still hoping to produce cheap consumer goods.

So how about it America? Are you going get off your ass and make automated low-cost factories to compete with the rest of the world? Or are you going to get left behind because you're too busy whining that "they stole our jobs"?


But I see you're still talking about free trade between states within America. Why? It would be better for each state to do things itself and impose tariffs on imports. This will make sure that every state has plenty of jobs duplicating the efforts of other states.

Not quite sure what would happen in states where nobody wants to buy anything so nobody has a job. But that's their problem. Let them starve if they have to.

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