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The only thing more boring than money is listening to ninety per cent of everyone I know cry about it everyday. I been poor all my life n I'm doing just fine. What's everyone else's problem?

Let's revolt against the old regimes of democracy n socialism n their banking systems. Let's introduce a new paradigm where money is obsolete n labor is optional. I call it Society of Lazy Pot-Smoking Bums Who Mooch Off of Do-Gooders And Robots.

I guess I'm just restating the same thing the hippies said, but this time maybe it'll work. It's not just technology that's changed. People have changed, too.

Eagerly awaiting ur glowing praise for my flawlessly ingenious plan,

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Originally Posted By: mason
Let's revolt against the old regimes of democracy n socialism n their banking systems. Let's introduce a new paradigm where money is obsolete n labor is optional. I call it Society of Lazy Pot-Smoking Bums Who Mooch Off of Do-Gooders And Robots.


No need for a revolution, it's already a popular lifestyle choice for many people in my country. You just have to live in a town with such high unemployment that the social welfare department believes you really can't get a job.

Might need a few more robots to make it sustainable on a large scale tho :P

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The only thing more boring than money is listening to ninety per cent of everyone I know cry about it everyday. I been poor all my life n I'm doing just fine. What's everyone else's problem? ...
Nice little rant, Mason. Money boring? How much reading have you done on the history, nature and function of money? BTW, you mentioned your poverty.

HOW'S THIS FOR POVERTY?
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I was born, Jan.14, 1930 on Bell Island (8 X 3 miles), Conception Bay, Newfoundland (NL)--England's oldest colony. BI is 9 miles from downtown St. John's (120,000) the capital. From 1934 to 1949, NL was ruled as a colony caught in the grip of the Great Depression.

Life on Bell Island (BI) NL, during the depression--then a mining town of 10,000, with many unemployed miners--was not the kind one could call a green-and-pleasant land. Since 1949--The year NL confederated with Canada things started to improve so that now--thanks to off-shore oil discoveries--it is a "have province" not a "have-not one" like Ontario. For the story check out
www.bellisland.net
On the Home Page, be sure and view the Island History and the photo album with many starkly beautiful Photo Album.

In the 30's and 40's, I grew up in conditions that were not what one would call rosy and promising. Today, we would call them third-world conditions. Social assistance, from the bankrupt government in St. John's, and the mine owners, for the many poverty-stricken was virtually zero.

Because of the abundance of poverty and disease (especially TB), by the time I was five I had lost my oldest brother (25), my oldest sister (24)--she lost her husband and her two baby daughters--and our mother, who died in the wee hours of the morning. I still live with the feelings of fear and dread imprinted on me by those experiences and those of the war that came to our shores in 1939.

Ironically, WW2 --during which we on BI experienced two deadly attacks (1943, 69 killed)) by enemy subs. Quite a story--brought a measure of prosperity to the hard working (10-hour shifts) iron-miners of BI. My older siblings were very helpful and caring of my younger sister and I. This and hard work helped me get a university education and poverty-freeing employment for the rest of my life.

MY INTEREST IN THE STORY, NATURE AND FUNCTION OF MONEY
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Back to money. My life experiences, as outlined above, have given me a keen interest in understanding the use and abuse of money. I find it hard to believe that anyone would not be. The lack of money caused a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering to the people of NL when I was growing up. The getting of some of it sure solved a lot of problems, especially the ones that I had.

Who has read what I have said about money in my Latest Posts to: "Philosophy of Religions--all religions, including..."? Because it takes money to get things done,I wanted to add--had the space allowed--holistic health, wealth and the economy. Check out www.torontodollar.com Since 1998 it has run many programs to help the poor in downtown Toronto.

BTW, most people in the know know that economics is not a science. Adam Smith, the father of economics was a moral philosopher. Like the humble economist, who admitted economists were asleep at the switch on October, 2008, said to the weather forecaster: "Your guess is as good as mind!"

But seriously, are there any in this forum who are students of the art?



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WHAT IS FIAT MONEY? IS IT MONEY GONE ROGUE (tricky, dishonest)?
The above is a question which I am currently asking in an article I have written, and am still editing, at RAGING-DEBATE.COM:
http://ragingdebate.com/browse-articles/economy/is-fiat-money-money-gone-rogue
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MONEY GONE ROGUE

Here is how I begin my article

Money gone rogue (tricky, dishonest) is the title of an article by John Greenwood, in Ottumwa, Iowa. The article was in the recent issue of THE FINANCIAL POST, Canada's business voice in the National Post, Saturday, January 9, 2011.

It is all about the ongoing U.S. debt talks by a growing number of Americans who see the gold standard as the way to restore fiscal sanity.

Like all who by now have heard about "The Great Wall Street Swindle"--the name given by the CBC to the financial crisis of 2008 and caused by the so-called wizards of finance--I am concerned and interested in exploring any idea that will help us deal with the problem. This includes being willing to explore the idea of a "gold Standard"--as long as we are free to think of "gold" as being more than just a metal. Keep in mind that before the invention of paper currencies--by the Chinese, by the way--any useful produce, good or service, including cattle, grains, oils, metals, even slaves could be used to make trades...

The full article was published in the FinancialPost.com, Sat. July 9, 2011

http://www.financialpost.com/

In my article I raise all kinds of questions about the story, the nature and the function of money. Here I would like to know: Who among us has some knowledge of economics? By the way, Adam Smith,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith (1723-1790) is credited with being the founder of classical economics--which Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881) dubbed "the dismal science"--was a moral philosopher, not a scientist.

Interestingly, in his The Wealth of Nations-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations --he said that LABOUR, not land or money is the real source of a nation's wealth.

Adam Smith favoured free trade, unrestricted by controls imposed by big governments, big business corporations (private monopolies)--and, I would assume he would include big unions?

In this science forum I ask: Is economics a science? Or is it just a collection of opinions--a philosophy?

What are some of your questions?


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