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#24962 - 02/23/08 01:29 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: big fat pig]
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Nice link, pig, thanks for sharing.
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#24980 - 02/25/08 02:54 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Amaranth Rose II]
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Amaranth, did you get my link to www.barterworld.com
and www.universalbartergroup.com ???
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#24982 - 02/25/08 06:58 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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Yes, Rev, they both worked just fine. Interesting to see how bartering is becoming the upscale thing.

Have you ever heard of time-dollars?

http://www.timebanks.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_currency

http://www.transaction.net/money/timedollars/

This last one links to Toronto dollars. I have not followed that link, but I know a little about Toronto Dollars, and it sounds like an interesting proposition.


Edited by Amaranth Rose II (02/25/08 06:59 AM)
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#25167 - 03/22/08 06:51 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Amaranth Rose II]
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Since the late 1960's I have been writing about and promoting what I now call CCC--complementary and community currency.

It could also be called creative community capitalism. IMO, this is the answer to the kind of debt-based disaster-capitalism which has destroyed the happiness of so many people who dreamed of owning their homes. It could also be a way of helping those who lose their homes in natural disasters not covered by insurance.
BTW, check our the work of Toronto author, Naomi Klein.
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
THIS IS POWERFUL STUFF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka3Pb_StJn4
Check out her dialogue with Milton Friedman.
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#25168 - 03/22/08 02:08 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka3Pb_StJn4
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At the above I found quite a numbers of audio and visual quotes on economics. For example, Milton Friedman presents his case for what he calls the "free" market. He also uses the term, "competitive capitalism".

BTW, in his comments he admitted that capitalism is not a "sufficient" cause of democracy. "But" he says, "capitalism is a necessary part of any democracy." Friedman, a strong advocate of monetarism admitted that both communism and national socialism used a form of capitalism.

MONETARISM--A definition
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http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.mandriva:en-US:official&hs=1U3&defl=en&q=define:MONETARISM&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Monetarism, a right wing approach, tends to say: Leave the economy to the market place and things will right themselves.

KEYNESIANISM--offers a left wing approach.
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http://www.history-ontheweb.co.uk/concepts/keynesianism51.htm
The key propositions of Keynesianism?--named after John Maynard Keynes: Here is an example:

1 of 6: There is no natural tendency for capitalist market economies, which now dominate world economies, to correct economic shocks and maintain an equilibrium at full employment. Before Keynes it was well known that there was a regular pattern of boom and slump but it was assumed that economies quickly righted themselves without government intervention. Keynes denied this.

MY PERSONAL APPROACH?: As I have indicated elsewhere, as an intuitive economist, I take what I call "a feathers approach" to the political economy, not just a left wing or right wing one. After all, feathers are essential to the welfare of the whole bird.

And don't forget the essential tail feathers. Without them, wings--indeed the whole bird--could not function. Without tail feathers flight is impossible no matter how strong the wings happen to be. They balance the wings and enable birds keep on course in those long migratory flight in search of food.

Take note that tail feathers are, humbly, located right over the anus--another essential part of the bird.

COOPERATIVE AND COMMUNITY CAPITALISM
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Perhaps this is the essential function of democratic government:
Be humble tail feathers and promote a democratic form of capitalism, what I call cooperative and community capitalism (CCC). Help keep the wings in a state of balance and thus help the head (made up of all social leaders, including educators, spiritual leaders, business leaders, whoever) do that which is needed by the body of the whole bird, including the smallest feathers (our precious youth).
FOR MORE ON THIS, see the thread on economics: Money, too much or too little, started by Ellis.


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#25344 - 04/07/08 09:08 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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With the way so many people have been hurt by our badly run monetary and economic system how come there is so little interest in discussing ways and means of fixing things?

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#25346 - 04/08/08 03:07 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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Because in our arrogance we assume that the free market system which we have is the best of all possible worlds. ;-)
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#25347 - 04/08/08 03:46 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Amaranth Rose II]
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Originally Posted By: Amaranth Rose II
Because in our arrogance we assume that the free market system which we have is the best of all possible worlds. ;-)
May I be so bold as to assume: You agree with those who say that the so-called "free" market is not free, it is one that is very much manipulated.
For those interested in what is going on, the following is a must read by a respected British economist:
THE POLITICS OF MONEY
By Hazel Henderson
http://www.hazelhenderson.com/editorials/politics_of_money.html
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Professor Bernard Lietaer--formerly with the World Bank
http://www.transaction.net
My first contact with BL was in 1997.

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#25370 - 04/11/08 06:59 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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JANE JACOBS--a self-educated urban planner and economist
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There is no rule which says that we have to leave urban planning and the economy to the so-called professionals.

A case in point is the work of the late Jane Jacobs--a New Yorker who moved to Toronto in 1968 who, by the way, accepted the idea of community and complementary currency (CCC)
Very interesting information about Jane and her work:

http://bss.sfsu.edu/pamuk/urban/



Edited by Revlgking (04/11/08 07:04 PM)

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#25508 - 04/18/08 11:04 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Turner]
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I repeat the following quote: "The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. The religion which based on experience, which refuses dogmatic. If there's any religion that would cope the scientific needs it will be Buddhism.... [Albert Einstein]

Interestingly, Einstein speaks of the value of Buddhism. The great inventor, Nicola Tesla, called for a combination of Christianity and Buddhism.

I, Turner's father, using his 'puter, agree.

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#25703 - 04/25/08 09:46 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Anonymous]
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Readers of this thread, including those who prefer to remain anonymous, I am curious: What is it about this thread which attracts so many readers and so few who choose to respond?

Are you shy about offerings comments, including constructive criticisms? What about questions? Do you have any questions?
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#25706 - 04/26/08 12:12 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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Hello Revlgking,

I noticed also there are a lot of viewers at this thread. Seems the subject may be of some interest to some.
Best Regards,
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#25720 - 04/26/08 05:08 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: odin1]
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probably because this is such a controversial topic, I am guessing.
it seems we are naturally drawn to this kind of stuff. rather than the dry and boring posts that are not debatable.

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#25721 - 04/26/08 05:30 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Tim]
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Waiting to see if anything interesting is posted. So far, it's old stuff.

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#25726 - 04/26/08 07:00 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Anonymous]
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If our household trash were recycled as effectively as this stuff is recycled, the world would certainly be a better place.

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#25731 - 04/26/08 04:04 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Anonymous]
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Anon 1: Interesting? It is a very relative term, isn't it? For example, I am interested in things--and not just what I write about here--which others would find very boring. If you are interested in knowing smile I will be glad to tell you.

BTW 1, what are your great interests? And, I am interested in knowing: What do you consider to be "old stuff"?

BTW 2, regarding a philosophy of education: I accept that it is important for children to realize that life is not all interesting fun and games. I acknowledge that learning the basics, even by using boring drill, is sometimes necessary, but I believe that we would have a much better education system if we designed early-childhood education programs, as much as possible, around that which grabs the interests of young students.

Anon 2, I am interested in knowing: What is it that you are really trying to say? I am not sure how to take it.
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#25732 - 04/26/08 04:09 PM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Revlgking]
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im not sure if anyone has mentioned it before... but has everyone seen zeitgeist? in the film it was claimed that every religious movement held striking similarities; specifically it described how each religion was based on astrology; worshiping the sun and preparing for the next 'astrological era.' (that's part one, part two is about a government conspiracy theory and should be disregarded imo)
it's all quite interesting, i'm uncertain about its absolute integrity although i've looked up some of the claims made and they seemed to hold true... so what do you think?
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#25747 - 04/27/08 12:31 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: big fat pig]
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Hello bfp,

religion has been around as long as man has walked the earth, I don't know of any civilization or even tribes of individuals that did not believe in some diety. Man has a willingness to look for a higher power. Old habits are hard to break and religion is a very complex and complicated thing to understand much less to explain. When catolic monks went into Britton it their task was to convert the celts to christianity. The celts didn't like that they liked the old gods, they had worked in the past and surely were going to work in the future. So the pope told them, if you see them worshiping a tree, bless the tree and tell them to meet there again. What I am saying is a lot of the old habits were incorporated into christianity to win over the "pagan". This may sound like trickery, and I guess it is. But sometimes we get hung up in the "ritural" and historic aspects of christianity instead of accepting the message it gives. That was the problem Jesus had with the scribes. He told them and I am paraphrasing , that the rituals were not important, what was important was the teachings and following those teachings as good as one could. Like I said in an earlier post I can understand why this really ticks some people off about religion or "christianity". I had a preacher get really ticked at me one time because he didn't like my view of what I thought God looked like. What difference does it make? But he was raised to believe that god is an old white haired man setting on a throne surrouned by heavenly host. And he may be, But I don't think it matters, and I don't think I am going to burn in an eternal lake of fire because I don't believe that.
Yes, I believe all religions were based originally on stimuli that affected each group (religion). Didn't mean to write a book. Hope I made some sense.

Thanks,
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#25750 - 04/27/08 12:46 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: odin1]
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I know there have been countless religions which worshipped false Gods in the past, but I'm certain this one is the right religion. smile

Trust me on that!

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#25751 - 04/27/08 12:53 AM Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions, includ [Re: Rallem]
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Hey Rallem,

I guess you mean christianity, and if that is what you mean, sure, I'll trust you on that.

odin1
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