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 #33863 - 04/05/10 06:54 AM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism Kyra M Member Registered: 06/25/09 Posts: 91 Hi Rev,Great idea, I did write this originally with italics for Andrea but it didn't come out when I posted it on here. Top
 #35523 - 07/21/10 10:19 PM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism Revlgking Megastar Registered: 01/17/07 Posts: 2311 Loc: markham (Thornhill), Ontario, ... Quote:4. The god is WE (connected) with the Whole by Threadism.Light energy 70%, Light matter 25% and Outer shells (what is visible) 5%. Only the shells go back to stardust. Kyra, Good to see that this thread is back in action. GOD IS ALL BEING----000---- GOD--the all that is Good, Orderly and Desirable, including life--GOD is the who in you, Including all beings with personalities. GOD is the what in all things--Things with three dimensions,Which occupy space and time. GOD is the where in infinite space,Which we call infinity, and, GOD is Being itself--the whenIn the eternal now, which we call time. Finally, GOD is the whyIn all that has meaning and purpose. ==================================Me? without any dogma involved, as a unit of All Being with the power to will, I simply tune into, connect with, All Being, give good will--some call it love--and good things seem to happen.Hint: There is infinite space in cyberspace. Therefore, spread out your ideas. _________________________ G~O~D--Now & ForeverIS:Nature, Nurture & PNEUMA-ture, Thanks to Warren Farr&ME AT www.unitheist.org Top
 #35525 - 07/22/10 01:18 AM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Forgive me for not having a clue what you guys are on about, but what in the bageezus are you guys on about?!?! It might help to either define the terms or invent new words rather than confuse yourselves with overloaded, ambiguous, emotional ones. Top
 #35531 - 07/22/10 03:02 AM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism Revlgking Megastar Registered: 01/17/07 Posts: 2311 Loc: markham (Thornhill), Ontario, ... Kallog, I just checked your profile. What the bageezus are you all about? Give us a clue. Us? We are all about what it means to be human and humane beings. When you are ready, come and join us. _________________________ G~O~D--Now & ForeverIS:Nature, Nurture & PNEUMA-ture, Thanks to Warren Farr&ME AT www.unitheist.org Top
 #35532 - 07/22/10 12:06 PM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 What's dark energy got to do with being humane beings? Is it an analogy for something? Why not explain the idea directly? Top
 #35534 - 07/22/10 01:29 PM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism Revlgking Megastar Registered: 01/17/07 Posts: 2311 Loc: markham (Thornhill), Ontario, ... Kallog, I assume you know how to do a search, eh? It took me less than a minute to find the references at the foot of this post.Like the GOD-concept, some is known about dark energy and the like, but much of it is still a mystery. By the way, in my reading I have noticed that, beginning with the first particle-physicists--great thinkers like, Max Planck, Maxwell, Thompson, Einstein and others, physicists started saying things about nature that were once only said by the theologians and the philosophers, who were thought insane by the "scientists" of their day. Theology/philosophy/psychology are all of great interest to me. Yes, it was once said of me, when I wrote articles in a Toronto paper about using hypnosis--which I now call pneumatherapy--to treat life-threatening diseases: "He is not just out on a limb, he is on a twig on the end of the limb". BTW, I always work in cooperation with medical science.===============Meanwhile, check out:http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy===========http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics#Historyhttp://www.google.ca/search?q=Planck%2C+Thompson%2C+Maxwell%2C+physicists&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.mandriva:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Edited by Revlgking (07/22/10 01:40 PM)Edit Reason: Always a good idea! _________________________ G~O~D--Now & ForeverIS:Nature, Nurture & PNEUMA-ture, Thanks to Warren Farr&ME AT www.unitheist.org Top
 #35535 - 07/22/10 01:52 PM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism Revlgking Megastar Registered: 01/17/07 Posts: 2311 Loc: markham (Thornhill), Ontario, ... TO THE ABOVE I ADD THE FOLLOWING NOTE:Physicists like Michio Kaku, Brian Swimme, Seth Lloyd and others have gone beyond particle physics and quantum mechanics. Talk now is about immeasurable energies which can be accessed and used by human thinkers, especially those who have artistic imaginations. Warning: Such energies can be used for good, or ill--to destroy, or to create. No wonder that Einstein said: "Imagination is more important than knowledge".====================http://www.rateitall.com/i-2211305-the-h...-schroeder.aspxhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread544356/pg1http://www.futurefoundation.org/documents/hum_pro_sem2.pdf Edited by Revlgking (07/22/10 02:18 PM)Edit Reason: Always a good idea! _________________________ G~O~D--Now & ForeverIS:Nature, Nurture & PNEUMA-ture, Thanks to Warren Farr&ME AT www.unitheist.org Top
 #35539 - 07/23/10 02:37 AM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Originally Posted By: RevlgkingIt took me less than a minute to find the references at the foot of this post.I didn't ask what dark energy is. Those links don't explain the connection between dark energy and being humane beings. Top
 #35540 - 07/23/10 02:41 AM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Originally Posted By: RevlgkingPhysicists like Michio Kaku, Brian Swimme, Seth Lloyd and others have gone beyond particle physics and quantum mechanics. Talk now is about immeasurable energies which can be accessed and used by human thinkers, especiallySo those aren't dark energy because dark energy is measurable. I joined this thread to understand what it was about. Can you explain any of the ideas without the use of analogies or name-dropping? Those links don't seem to have an relevance - one wants me to buy a book, another is people talking about whether scientists are atheists or not. Is that what "threadism" is? The religious beliefs of scientists? Edited by kallog (07/23/10 02:56 AM) Top
 #35542 - 07/23/10 09:10 PM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism Revlgking Megastar Registered: 01/17/07 Posts: 2311 Loc: markham (Thornhill), Ontario, ... ABOUT DARK MATTER & DARK ENERGY===============================I just found the article, below, in http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu ...The article is about1. THE PREPOSTEROUS UNIVERSE (Title as given)[Do scientists expect us laity to believe that what is going on in the universe is contrary to nature, reason, or commonsense; absurd; senseless? Ridiculous? Laughable? Sounds very human (and theological?) to me. ] I am not making the following up: "Surprising experimental results are the most common driving force behind significant advances in scientific understanding. The recent discovery that the universe appears to be dominated by a component of "dark energy" qualifies as an extraordinarily surprising result; we have every reason to be optimistic that attempts to understand this phenomenon will lead to profound improvements in our pictures of gravitation, particle physics, and gravitation."I repeat, the above sounds very metaphysical, and even theological. And there is more:"1.1. Dark energyIn general relativity, a homogeneous and isotropic universe is characterized by two quantities, the spatial curvature kappa and scale factor a(t). These are related to the energy density $\rho$ by the Friedmann equation:" ... The equation cannot be reproduced here. It is in the article ...================================== Below, I give the link to the full article, from which I give the following brief quote with a very interesting question: Quote:2. WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON?It may seem misguided to put a great deal of energy into exploring models of a small nonzero dark energy density when we have very little idea why the vacuum energy is not as large as the Planck scale. On the other hand, the discovery of dark energy may provide an invaluable clue in our attempts to solve this long-lasting puzzle, giving us reason to redouble our efforts. Explanations of the current acceleration of the universe can be categorized into one of three types: 1. The dark energy is a true cosmological constant, strictly unchanging throughout space and time. The minimum-energy configuration of the universe may have a small but nonvanishing energy density, or we may live in a false vacuum, almost degenerate with the true one but with a small nonzero additional energy. 2. The cosmological constant is zero, but a slowly-varying dynamical component is mimicking a nonzero vacuum energy. 3. Einstein was wrong, and the Friedmann equation does not describe the expansion of the universe. We briefly examine each of these possibilities in turn.2.1. An honest cosmological constantThe simplest interpretation of the dark energy is that we have discovered that the cosmological constant is not quite zero: we are in the lowest energy state possible (or, more properly, that the particles we observe are excitations of such a state) but that energy does not vanish. Although simple, this scenario is perhaps the hardest to analyze without an understanding of the complete cosmological constant problem, and there is correspondingly little to say about such a possibility. As targets to shoot for, various numerological coincidences have been pointed out, which may some day find homes as predictions of an actual theory. For example, the observed vacuum energy scale Mvac = 10-3 eV is related to the 1 TeV scale of low-energy supersymmetry breaking models by a "supergravity suppression factor":Equation 8 (8)In other words, MSUSY is the geometric mean of Mvac and MPlanck. Unfortunately, nobody knows why this should be the case. In a similar spirit, the vacuum energy density is related to the Planck energy density by the kind of suppression factor familiar from instanton calculations in gauge theories:Equation 9 ... http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll/Carroll2.htmlIs it possible for someone trained in physics to put this information in journalese so that we lay readers with an interest in science, but are not all that familiar with the jargon of physics, could possibly understand. Edited by Revlgking (07/23/10 09:37 PM)Edit Reason: Always helpful! _________________________ G~O~D--Now & ForeverIS:Nature, Nurture & PNEUMA-ture, Thanks to Warren Farr&ME AT www.unitheist.org Top
 #35543 - 07/23/10 09:54 PM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism Revlgking Megastar Registered: 01/17/07 Posts: 2311 Loc: markham (Thornhill), Ontario, ... THE RELIGION OF MAX PLANCK==========================Quote:Max Planck: "Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck was born on April 23, 1858, in Kiel, Germany, the sixth child of a distinguished jurist and professor of law at the University of Kiel. The long family tradition of devotion to church and state, excellence in scholarship, incorruptibility, conservatism, idealism, reliability, and generosity became deeply ingrained in Planck's own life and work... In his later years, Planck devoted more and more of his writings to philosophical, aesthetic, and religious questions. Together with Einstein and Schrödinger, he remained adamantly opposed to the indeterministic, statistical worldview introduced by Bohr, Max Born, Werner Heisenberg, and others into physics after the advent of quantum mechanics in 1925-26. Such a view was not in harmony with Planck's deepest intuitions and beliefs. The physical universe, Planck argued, is an objective entity existing independently of man; the observer and the observed are not intimately coupled, as Bohr and his school would have it." [Source: http://astro.estec.esa.nl/SA-general/Projects/Planck/mplanck/mplanck.html].From: Rich Deem, "Famous Scientists Who Believed in God", last modified 19 May 2005, on "Evidence for God from Science" website (http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html; viewed 5 October 2005):Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which has revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). [I suspect that he would agree: GOD is Being, not A being.]Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"[Source:] J. L. Heillron, Dilemmas of an Upright Man (1986) http://www.adherents.com/people/pp/Max_Planck.html[b][/b] Edited by Revlgking (07/23/10 09:58 PM)Edit Reason: Always helpful! _________________________ G~O~D--Now & ForeverIS:Nature, Nurture & PNEUMA-ture, Thanks to Warren Farr&ME AT www.unitheist.org Top
 #35544 - 07/24/10 03:37 AM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Originally Posted By: Revlgking[Do scientists expect us laity to believe that what is going on in the universe is contrary to nature, reason, or commonsense; absurd; senseless? Ridiculous? Laughable? Sounds very human (and theological?) to me. ] Contrary to nature - noContrary to reason - noContrary to commonsense - yesAbsurd - noSenseless - yesRidiculous - noLaughable - noPeople who don't think critically often mix up these terms. Just because one person doesn't understand something doesn't mean it's absurd. Commonsense is handy for common situations but there's no reason we should expect it to be relevant to things we have no experience with.Quote:I repeat, the above sounds very metaphysical, and even theological. And there is more:Nothing metaphysical, theological or humane in there at all. If you replace the term "dark energy" with "hydrogen rich gas" does it still give you those emotions? Top
 #35545 - 07/24/10 03:42 AM Re: The Concept of the Whole and Threadism kallog Megastar Registered: 03/17/10 Posts: 1100 Originally Posted By: RevlgkingTHE RELIGION OF MAX PLANCKYou're coming back to religious beliefs of scientists. Is this an important aspect of 'whole and threadism'? That and dark energy. Is that what it is? Just two unrelated concepts being described by a single name? Top