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Long interesting article-this weeks New Scientist

GRAVITY has a secret side. As well as the brute force that holds us to the ground, large masses should also exert a subtle swirling influence when they rotate, a force called gravitomagnetism. It's so faint that a NASA spacecraft called Gravity Probe B with 4 quartz gyroscopes, has been orbiting the Earth for over two years to accrue enough evidence to have a chance of confirming this force. ...(Uncle Al)

Yet in a lab in Austria, Martin Tajmar and his team have already succeeded in detecting a faint signal that seems to be due to this elusive component of gravity. A reason for celebration? Not quite. Puzzlingly, the force they seem to have generated is vastly more powerful than anyone else expected.

Despite its name, gravitomagnetism has nothing to do with magnetic fields as we think of them. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, a rotating mass such as a planet should twist the fabric of space-time, and any object nearby should be dragged around by the vortex. It is really just another case of matter telling space-time how to curve and space-time telling matter how to move. Just as a stationary mass creates a "dip" in space-time that we perceive as gravity, a rotating mass creates a twist in space-time.

?A rotating mass is expected to twist space-time - but not by this much?This gravitomagnetism is a feeble phenomenon: an object orbiting close to the Earth should be shifted just a few nanometres per year. In contrast, the gravitomagnetic force Tajmar's team have seen is trillions of times stronger, which is why they are treating the results so cautiously. What's more, their force is only generated by a spinning superconductor, not any other kind of matter. "We cannot find a mechanism to explain this in either general relativity or quantum mechanics," says Clovis de Matos, who works at the European Space Agency in Paris and helped establish the theory behind the experiment.

Their startling measurement might point towards a new quantum theory of gravity. It might even herald a futuristic technology that could be used to pull, push or levitate any object, regardless of its composition, electrical charge or shape. With so much at stake, it's no wonder Tajmar and his collaborators are treading carefully. "We tried everything we could think of to make this reading go away," says Tajmar. And yet after three years and more than 250 experimental runs at the Austrian Research Centers facility in Seibersdorf, near Vienna, the gravitomagnetic signal remains.

By sheer coincidence, their experiment was originally designed to investigate an old mystery about the innards of Gravity Probe B. NASA launched this spacecraft on 20 April 2004 to directly measure the effects of this long-sought-after component of gravity. The spacecraft finished collecting data in August 2005, and the science team is on course to announce its results in April next year.

Gravitomagnetic fields affect spinning objects more strongly than non-spinning objects, so Gravity Probe B's detector is based around four gyroscopes. The Earth's gravitomagnetism should tilt them by 11 millionths of a degree per year. To register this minuscule shift, the gyroscopes must run as smoothly as possible, and each one contains a rotating quartz sphere so perfectly crafted that if it were blown up to the size of the Earth, the tallest mountain would be less than 3 metres high. At the size of the gyroscopes, about the diameter of a ping-pong ball, that's an accuracy of just 40 atoms' thickness.

Having made something so flawless, the Gravity Probe B team realised that they had painted themselves into a corner. "How do you measure a spinning, perfectly uniform sphere that has no marks on it?" asks the spacecraft's principal investigator, Francis Everitt of Stanford University in California.

The trick was to coat each quartz sphere in a layer of niobium. When cooled to the point where it superconducts, the niobium generates a magnetic field as it spins, whose axis is exactly the same as the sphere's axis of rotation. The team then adapted sensitive magnetometers called SQUIDs (superconducting quantum interference devices) to measure the axis of this field and so track the motion of the sphere. The result is a gyroscope 30 million times more accurate than any previously constructed.

In the mid-1980s, Blas Cabrera, also of Stanford University, saw Everitt's work on these gyroscopes and realised that they offered a way to test the theory of superconductors proposed in 1957 by John Bardeen, Leon Cooper and Robert Schrieffer, known as BCS theory. It says that when the temperature of the material falls below the critical temperature for superconductivity, pairs of electrons overcome their normal repulsion and join into bound systems known as Cooper pairs. Cabrera realised that since the gyroscope's magnetic field is due to the motion of electrons inside the superconductor, the field could reveal whether those electrons were indeed pairing up.

Janet Tate, now of the University of Oregon in Eugene, ran the experiments. She took one of the gyroscopes and spun it at different speeds to measure the resulting field produced by an accelerating superconductor. That's when the trouble started. Tate found that the magnetic field she measured was stronger than BCS theory predicted.

As the anomaly didn't affect the performance of the gyroscopes, finding the cause wasn't essential to the workings of the NASA spacecraft. So, after an initial flurry of interest by physicists, the problem was quietly dropped. "The measurement has remained unexplained for the last 20 years," says Tate.

Enter de Matos and Tajmar. Intrigued by this puzzle, they began to dig around the theory of superconductors looking for clues. They found one in a 1997 paper by John Argyris and Corneliu Ciubotariu of the University of Stuttgart in Germany. Argyris proposed that the hypothesised gravity particle, the graviton, might have mass, rather than being massless as traditional theories of quantum gravity had assumed.

Argyris's idea piqued de Matos and Tajmar's interest because of the parallel with the normally massless photon, which inside a superconductor develops a mass when the temperature drops below the critical temperature and the substance becomes superconducting. Tajmar and de Matos wondered what would happen if the gravitons inside a superconductor behaved like photons and gained mass as well.

Their calculations showed that the more massive the graviton becomes in a superconductor, the stronger the gravitomagnetic field becomes when the material's rotation speeds up. In turn, that should increase the magnetic field by altering the movement of the Cooper pairs. Could that explain Tate's measurement? To fit her findings, de Matos and Tajmar found they had to set the graviton mass to be 10-54 kilograms (Physica C, vol 432, p 167). By comparison, an electron's mass is about 10-30 kilograms. Although that makes the graviton sound like a lightweight, it would give superconductors a gravitomagnetic force 17 orders of magnitude greater than that produced by normal matter.

At that level, they realised, it should be possible to measure the field in a laboratory. So they designed an experiment to test the idea, and built it with funding from the US air force and the European Space Agency. Last year Tajmar's team began to look for evidence of their extraordinary prediction - not really expecting to find it. They set a ring of superconducting niobium spinning, and positioned accelerometers around the ring. Any gravitomagnetic field produced by the spinning superconductor should tug on these sensors.

Initially, they ran tests at room temperature, where niobium is not superconducting, and saw no anomalous readings. That was expected, consistent with the immeasurably tiny field predicted by general relativity. Then as they dropped the temperature, Cooper pairs formed in the niobium and it lost its electrical resistance. Suddenly the accelerometers produced a signal. It was exactly as they hoped: as soon as the niobium became superconducting, the instruments appeared to feel a strong gravitomagnetic field pulling on them (www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0603033).

It seemed too good to be true. Tajmar's team knew how heretical such a large gravitomagnetic field would seem to other physicists (see "The attraction of gravity"). So they began running their experiment time and time again, looking for any hint of instrumental problems that might be fooling them. Next, they swapped the niobium for other superconducting materials, making predictions about the gravitomagnetic field they expected from each. They included extra sensors to improve the accuracy of their results and added two laser gyroscopes to their set-up to best measure the twist (www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610015). Every time, the experiment gave them the right answers.

After 250 runs, they began to believe that perhaps the signals were real after all. It seemed they had found a way to generate a large gravitomagnetic field unanticipated by Einstein or anyone else. They have submitted a paper to the journal Physica C and have been attending conferences to talk about their work - and met a sceptical response.

James Overduin, a theorist from Stanford University is doubtful about the claims. He points to the remarkable strength of the supposed gravitomagnetic field. "Seventeen orders of magnitude is not to be sniffed at." At that strength, says Overduin, we would expect to see gravitomagnetic effects throughout the cosmos. To make the graviton massive would limit the distance it can travel, and since all astronomical observations suggest that gravity travels the entire breadth of the universe, there is a big conflict to resolve.

De Matos counters that the gravitons only gain mass and enhance the gravitomagnetic effect inside superconductors, which in the universe would only occur in certain highly compressed dead stars called neutron stars. "Some models suggest that neutron stars have a superconducting layer inside them. This would lead to enhanced gravitomagnetism, but at the moment the observational effects are not clear because no one has yet done the calculation," he says.

More fundamentally, Overduin points out that introducing massive gravitons into physics could cause more problems than it solves. "A massive graviton would mean that you had to rewrite the entire standard model of particle physics," he says.

Tajmar agrees that it is no trivial thing to do. He points out that other theorists have proposed that massive gravitons could explain why the expansion of the universe is accelerating. If confirmed, their discovery would fundamentally change the way we think about gravity. It would mean that superconductors generate gravitational effects differently from normal matter, which would in turn be an unambiguous pointer towards some quantum theory of gravity, because until now only an object's total mass has been assumed to determine its gravitational field. If Tajmar and his collaborators are right, the arrangement of particles inside a superconductor also matters.

Such a departure from mainstream theory does not impress Overduin. "A massive graviton gives you huge problems. I wouldn't bet on this work as a breakthrough," he says.

The best hope for Tajmar and de Matos is that another team will reproduce their experiment and confirm the anomalous gravitomagnetic signal. According to Tajmar, several teams have pledged to recreate the experiments to refute or verify the puzzling signals, but he won't reveal the identities of these teams for fear of putting them under undue pressure. "I am very happy with their interest. It shows that others take us seriously and are willing to spend time on this."

The results could be out in a year or so. If they are positive, it puts the technology of science fiction on the horizon. Levitating cars, zero-g playgrounds, tractor beams to pull objects towards you, glassless windows that use repulsive fields to prevent things passing through. Let your imagination run riot: a gravitomagnetic device that works by changing the acceleration and orientation of a superconductor would be the basis for a general-purpose force field.

The suggestion that gravitomagnetism might one day form the basis of some new technology evokes a quick reaction from Everitt: "Absolutely, unquestionably no!" Then, after a pause, he adds, "But I suppose Simon Newcomb was just as certain in 1900 when he said that humans would never build a heavier-than-air flying machine."

Stuart Clark is a science journalist based in the UK
From issue 2577 of New Scientist magazine, 11 November 2006, page 36-39
The attraction of gravity
Any talk of superconductors producing weird gravitational effects makes physicists uneasy. A decade ago, Russian scientist 'Eugene Podkletnov' of Tampere University of Technology in Finland claimed that a rotating superconductor would partially shield objects from the Earth's gravitational pull. Before his results were published, the story of the "anti-gravity device" leaked to the press. In the ensuing melee, Podkletnov withdrew the paper and returned to Russia.

Other researchers have also run aground after being drawn by the siren song of superconductors and gravity. In 1989, Huei Peng of the Institute of Applied Mathematics in Beijing and Douglas Torr of the University of Alabama in Huntsville published a paper claiming that gravitational waves in the fabric of space-time should affect superconductors. This could lead to a new kind of laboratory-based gravitational wave detector, they said. Raymond Chiao of the University of California, Merced, has also claimed that such a "gravity radio" is possible.

No one has succeeded in realising these predictions. "The enthusiasm for an antigravity device is so great that sometimes people see what they want to see. You have to exercise a lot of caution," says James Overduin, a theorist from Stanford University in California.

So in claiming that superconductors have a powerful effect on gravity, Martin Tajmar of the Austrian Research Centers near Vienna and Clovis de Matos of the European Space Agency in Paris have entered a scientific minefield. However, they point out that their effect is completely unrelated to all the earlier ideas.

Space-time drags
Gravity might already have given scientists a hint of its twisted side by playing with the orbits of two space probes. The LAGEOS I and II satellites were designed and launched in the 1980s by NASA and the Italian Space Agency to map the Earth's gravitational field in detail, simply by orbiting the planet and being closely tracked by laser ranging from the ground.

In 1998, after a painstaking analysis of 11 years of data, the tracking team found that each satellite's highly tilted orbit was moving around in the direction of Earth's rotation by about 2 metres per year.

Almost all of that could be accounted for by undulations in Earth's gravitational field, caused by the uneven distribution of oceans and mountain ranges. However, after calculating that effect and subtracting it from the measured movement, there was a little left over. The extra shift was microscopic, no more than a few nanometres a year, but it agrees to within 10 per cent of what is predicted by general relativity. It seems to be evidence that the rotating bulk of the Earth slowly drags space-time around with it.

The result remain controversial, however, with some scientists questioning whether the shift from the oceans and mountains can really be calculated so precisely.


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I like it. It looks like real science and may well prove to be a real effect.

One thing about it I find intriguing, but is not mentioned, relates to this comment:

"De Matos counters that the gravitons only gain mass and enhance the gravitomagnetic effect inside superconductors, which in the universe would only occur in certain highly compressed dead stars called neutron stars."

Magnetars are well known. Could it be that their incredibly powerful magnetic fields owe something to this?

Note to moderators: Shouldn't this be in the physics forum?


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Thanks Mike.

Very interesting.

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Hi Mike, as usual you find a thought provoking investigation.
In my small way I have been interested in the cause for gravity and some unique ways to work on it with simple math. The following is the Wikipedia listed method for finding surface gravity of the sphere:

?[edit] For spherically symmetric bodies
The surface gravity of a spherically symmetric body B may be calculated from Newton's Law of Gravitation, by taking the ratio of the force on a test particle near the surface of B to the force on an identical test particle near the surface of the Earth. The properties of the test particle and the gravitaional constant cancel out, leaving a simple ratio of the relative mass to the square of the relative radius:

The listed formula is quite complex and I could not reproduce it here even though I tried.

Where mB is the mass of B, rB is the radius of B, mEarth and rEarth are the mass and radius of the Earth.?

This kind of elaborate formula is beyound me. I found that there is a ?MilesMass? relationship to be found for all orbited bodies. The published surface gravity for Mercury is 12.22 feet prer second, per second (f/s^2).

My ?miles mass? for Mercury is 5,413.82.. All planets are either on target or so close to make the difference negligable. My formula: R= object radius.

(MM * 5280) / R^2. So 5,413.82*5280 = 28,584,969 / 1,515.5^2 = 12.44
Published feet per second = 12.22. I will defer to the academics on the acuracy issue.

I do not yet understand how or why it works, but it does. I think it works because my miles mass is a ratio of the miles mass for the earth. The use of 5280 for the feet question was the result of much trial and error. I found the method to be a source of many dead end additional efforts.
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Thanks Mike.

Very interesting.

Blacknad.
I have found some old info on Dr Podkletnov, the first experimeter, who said he found a minute change in the local Gravity Field, above fast rotating objects.
Surprisingly, his experiments were conducted about
16 years ago!
His experiment was funded through Marshall Space Flight Center Director's Discretionary Funding, plus a small amount from Advanced Space Transportation and Propulsion Program

In 1992 Dr. Podkletnov, Tampere University, Finland, published results of his experimentation with high-Tc ceramic superconductors. He devised an experiment in which a disk of superconducting material was magnetically levitated and rotated at high speed, up to several thousand rpm, in the presence of an external magnetic field. In the course of the tests he noted that objects above the rotating disk showed a variable but measurable loss of weight, variable from 0.5% to around 2%. He had no explanation for this effect but went through a self-described rigorous effort to eliminate systematic or other possible sources of error. Having done so, he found that the effect remained.
In 1989 Dr Ning Li, developed a theoretical formulation which establishes a connection between a superconductor in a strong magnetic field, rotation, and the gravitational force. She has published three peer-reviewed papers, between 1990 and 1993, which explain the basis of her theory. Her theory builds upon previous theoretical and experimental work involving superconduction and gravity. This investigation is attempting to duplicate the Finnish experiment, with some improvements to verify the reported Podkletnov effect, in which the system must rotate at high speed in a cryogenic environment.

References-
Podkletnov, E. and Nieminen 1992, A Possibility of Gravitational Force Shielding by Bulk YBa2Cu3O7 Superconductor," Physica C 203, pp. 441-444, 1992
Li, N. and Torr, D.G. 1991, Effects of a Gravitomagnetic Field on Pure Superconductors, Phys Rev. D, Vol. 43, No.2, pp. 457-459, Jan 1991.

Li, N. and Torr, D.G. 1992, Gravitational Effects on the Magnetic Attenuation of Superconductors, Phys Rev B, Vol. 46, No.9, pp. 5489-5495, Sept 1992.

Torr, D.G. and Li, N. 1993, Gravitoelectric-Electric Coupling via Superconductivity, Found. Phys Letters, Vol. 6, No.4, pp. 371-383, 1993.

***thoughts
Prehaps Podkletnov will now come out of his self imposed 16 year exile, due to recent developments in this exciting field?

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Hi jjw

Yes your 'special formula' is all to do with
ratio's versus radii of the planets.
Its rough, but it seems to work after a fashion.

I think it would be better to use your ratio upon
the weight of the planets for more accuracy
ie The Moon has no metal core, while Mercury has
a large metal core.

I've taken the weight of 5 Planets
Earth 6378
Venus 6052
Mars 3398
Mercury 2439
Moon 1738
Adjust their weight relative to Earth (=1.0)

By using a cheap calculator. Key in-
6378 divided 1, divided divided = 0.00000015
or a similar figure. Then without resetting any keys.
Key in the earths weight, and press the equals key, should get you 1.
Again without resetting any keys
Key in all the Planets weights following each weight with the equals key.

If you got a cheap calculator you should get-
1.0 - 0.945 - 0.532 - 0.382 - 0.272 -

So now you got their weights relative to Earth

now you can use the same ratio idea again
For instance 1.0 divided 32.(ft per sec/sec)
divided divided equals (gives you 32 again)
Without resetting put in each of the above planet weights, following each one with equals
Should give you the Acceleration per sec per sec of each of those planets.
All approx but Ok for not using any maths, Huh?
Not keen on the above idea?
Well heres a quick tip using the same method
I aways use it when converting currency shop prices abroad.

For instance $7.4 = 12.3 poohbars
How many Dollars in 67.5 poohbars?

Same idea as above
12.3 divided 7.4 divide divide equals.
then key in 67.5 equals. Gets the answer $40.61

Use a cheap calculator, the sort they give away. It might not work with a good calculator.
Its amazing what you learn on this mode, and I give all my ideas away for free. Most of them anyway.
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Very nice Mike. Thank you for the lesson.

Unfortuneately my method is a part of an overall plan that is a work in progress where for me to succeed all factors must work together within a frame work that is not founded on "weight mass" of the solar objects.

When searching for the extra gravitational push or pull due to rotation I think some effort expended on static electricity magnetisim would posibly be worthwhile. I looked casually and do not see where the academics are into it.

The example I showed was likely more accurate than you gave it credit for. When used on all the planets and the Sun the accuracy was more than "only" a ratio of poohs. My efforts, when they work are very precise on computers and quality calculators. Cheap is not my style.
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Be careful here jjw.
"I think some effort expended on static electricity magnetisim would posibly be worthwhile."

Gravitomagnetism has essentially nothing to do with normal magnetism.


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I thank you for the clarification.
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Mike, gravity is "not" a force, just ask Einstein, and it shouldn't really be used in that context. I suppose it can be used like that as long as one understands it isn't a force.

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Very very kremer.

Awsome information..

Thanks again.

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According to the keon hypothesis, gravitation is an almost infinitesimally small side effect of electric charge and color charge. The gravitational force is actually a real force. Einstein gave an abstract high-level explanation that says nothing about how it actually works in concrete terms. This is explained in much more detail in chapter 12 of the hypothesis. The drag effect is a consequence of the basic principle that causes gravitation and it is closely related to the explanation for why charged particles are surrounded by magnetic fields, which is explained in sections 7.9 and 11.5 – 11.8.

The keon hypothesis is a new explanation for nature and the universe. It is based on a very simple common principle and gives concrete physical “nuts-and-bolts”-explanations for energy, light, matter, mass, motion, inertia, gravitation, electric charge, time, and many other properties of nature that so far have remained unexplained. Based on the same principle, it also provides an interpretation of quantum mechanics, including explanations for the wave function and its collapse, the uncertainty principle, and the double-slit experiment. You will only find concrete physical and “down-to-earth” explanations in the keon hypothesis. There are no vague mumbo jumbo explanations, which otherwise are so common in alternative theories. If you are interested in these very deep questions, you should download the keon hypothesis and read it.

You will find the homepage of the keon hypothesis at: http://www.jmhook.com/en/

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It is interesting to watch such reputable physicists seemingly not understanding what they are watching.

What they are seeing is exactly what I would expect. They are not merely measuring gravitational effect of spinning mass, but due to the way the they measuring it, they are actually creating gravity. That is why their measurements are so much higher than expected.

They could discover that they are doing this by measuring the inertia of their spinning marble in varied directions. They will find that the marble has greater inertia in all transverse vectors to the spin axis than it has in the vector along the spin axis.

The difference would be pretty small, but probably measurable.

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In Aether Wave Theory (AWT) gravity is shielding effect of energy flow around objects in accordance to ancient Duillier/Le-Sage theory. The similar force keeps boats together at stormy sea and this model explains inverse square law for gravity well. Gravity is opposite force to radiation pressure, which is exerted by shinning bodies - the only force, which can defy gravity, in fact. Because vacuum is full of background radiation, this radiation keep dark bodies together.



There are subtleties, which follows from gradient driven nature of gravity, though. Bellow it's illustrated, how gravity is modeled in Newton's, Einstein's and Aether theories for objects of finite size. You can see, while Newton theory is unphysical due the presence of steps in 1st derivation of gravity field at surface of object, relativity leads to singular solution at center of object. Only AWT model considers smooth curve for gravity over whole space. This has its consequences, as gravity field becomes of negative curvature outside of object, which results into accelerated expansion of massive objects due the presence of mysterious dark energy.



In addition, this model leads into conclusion, black hole cannot be formed by central singularity and it leads to weak "repulsive" field, surrounding all massive objects at distance, which manifests itself like clouds of dark matter, surrounding massive objects. We can call it a "surface tension" of gravity field in analogy to repulsive forces, which repel tiny mercury droplets in direct contact.

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Actually I'm pretty certain that I have mathematically proven that Aether is a necessary logical fact, but I'm still getting that verified.

Singularities are logically impossible entities, thus the part of the relativity theory relating to singularities is a false extrapolation of general physical behavior.

Discontinuity is also logically impossible, so any theory involving infinitely sharp changes involves an impossibility.


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