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#30357 - 04/16/09 05:09 PM Re: The physical education. [Re: Zephir]
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Originally Posted By: Zephir
What is "Michelson/ Morley quantum of light" supposed to mean? The physics is full of nonsense - why to introduce another one?

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Sorry.
Michelson and Morley had studied moving quantum of light.
They found that this quantum of light has constant speed : c=1.
Nobody knew this fact before. All physicists were surprised.
This is there desert.
Therefore I wrote: "Michelson/ Morley quantum of light"

Best wishes.
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#30363 - 04/17/09 01:11 AM Re: The physical education. [Re: socratus]
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Originally Posted By: socratus
Michelson and Morley had studied moving quantum of light.
These guys studied the interference of light waves in dependence to direction. The photon conceptually differs from light wave, for example by its speed.

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#30367 - 04/17/09 01:35 PM Re: The physical education. [Re: Zephir]
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Originally Posted By: Zephir
Originally Posted By: socratus
Michelson and Morley had studied moving quantum of light.
These guys studied the interference of light waves in dependence to direction. The photon conceptually differs from light wave, for example by its speed.


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As a result that quantum of light / photon interacts with
interferometer ‘the interference of light waves’ can be seen.


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#30383 - 04/18/09 12:46 AM Re: The physical education. [Re: socratus]
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Originally Posted By: socratus
...quantum of light / photon interacts with
interferometer ‘the interference of light waves’ can be seen...
Photon and light wave are different concepts. Which is why, we are calling them differently, by the way. If you would mix different terms, you can never reach their mutual understanding.

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#30393 - 04/19/09 12:45 PM Re: The physical education. [Re: Zephir]
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Originally Posted By: Zephir
Originally Posted By: socratus
...quantum of light / photon interacts with
interferometer ‘the interference of light waves’ can be seen...
Photon and light wave are different concepts. Which is why, we are calling them differently, by the way. If you would mix different terms, you can never reach their mutual understanding.

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By AWT the problem of rest mass of photon
must be separated from luminal speed of light wave,
as expected by special relativity.
/ If you would mix different terms, you can never reach
their mutual understanding. /
================== . .
What is about wave–particle duality ?
How wave and particle can be united?
How wave and photon can be united?
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Your opinion . . .my opinion . .. his / her opinion . . .
The opinion of opinion . . . . .
The meaning of meaning . . . . .
Why?

Because photon, light wave and other particles must act
in some Absolute frame the origin of the Universe,
the origin of the Cosmic Microwave Background
frame, . . . . .the origin of everything.

All debates are nonsense without an Absolute Frame.

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#30558 - 05/01/09 04:37 AM Re: The physical education. [Re: socratus]
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God has to be a real fool to think
that the >99% Hidden Universe
has no control of his <1% Visible Universe. And if he
knew this then he would not be a god but a physicist.

And if he was a smart physicist he would be laughing
at just how much less than 1% a universe really needs
to appear really real.
/ O'no /
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#30565 - 05/01/09 08:26 AM Re: The physical education. [Re: socratus]
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If there’s nothing wrong with me, then
maybe there’s something wrong with the Universe.
/ One physicist ./
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#30569 - 05/01/09 09:02 PM Re: The physical education. [Re: socratus]
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Originally Posted By: socratus
How wave and particle can be united?
Inside of particle system formed by nested density fluctuations every wave behaves as another density fluctuation, i.e. like particle. The dense system of fluctuations is similar to foam and it gets more dense under introducing of energy, by the similar way , like soap foam, when shaken.

You can play with this concept on Perlin's applet by mouse.


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#30571 - 05/01/09 11:50 PM Re: The physical education. [Re: Zephir]
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Zephir, I got an error when I tried to run your applet. Can you find another link or fix it?
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If you don't care for reality, just wait a while; another will be along shortly. --A Rose


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#30575 - 05/02/09 03:55 PM Re: The physical education. [Re: Amaranth Rose II]
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Originally Posted By: Amaranth Rose II
I got an error when I tried to run your applet
Can you post the error message here?

Sometimes the applet get stuck under heavy stirring by mouse, but such problem can be solved by reloading of the web page by pressing of F5 key in browser.

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#30577 - 05/02/09 07:34 PM Re: The physical education. [Re: Zephir]
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It just says, "Error. Click for details" and when I click for details it opens a window with a bunch of code.
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If you don't care for reality, just wait a while; another will be along shortly. --A Rose


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#30754 - 05/23/09 10:59 AM Re: The physical education. [Re: Amaranth Rose II]
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Physicists spooked by faster-than-light information transfer.

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Everybody seems to agree that "objective" science explicitly based on
supernatural mysteries is something utterly strange: it's a much stranger
doctrine than any most esoteric religion, which doesn't pretend at least
to any objectivity and logic...
And nevertheless it is precisely that kind of "objective" knowledge that
continues to be UNIQUELY (and very generously!) supported in ALL
science institutions (private initiatives including). How indeed can one
have a consistent understanding of quantum particle behaviour if that huge,
multi-billion enterprise cannot even say what the real, even simplest
elementary particle (e.g. photon or electron) actually is, in its physical
structure and dynamics, while replacing it with an abstract symbol obeying
abstract, postulated (and completely "magic"!) rules? So they end up now
with an explicit sectarian religion called "mathematical universe" and
supported by the dominating establishment priests from all the great faculties...

Realistic alternatives to that continuing math-physical delirium certainly
exist but they are rejected without discussion by the dominating, effectively
totalitarian regime (Peer Review and Co.).
So when Gisin allegedly "hopes that the work will stimulate theorists to come up
with new ways of explaining the spooky effect", he is "slightly diverging from
the truth" (or intentionally lying, to be exact!). As if he, or Geoff Blumfiel,
or anyone else may ignore the fact that those "spooky effects" and related open
trickery exist in the official science framework already for a century and nothing
ever changes, despite innumerable theoretical efforts (starting already from the
"great Einstein" with his unlimited staff) but always artificially reduced to a very
special, now rigorously specified approach of unitary science
http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.4562
See e.g.
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0211071

http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0401164

for a review of fundamental physics without supernatural mysteries, a theory that
is there for a decade already, quite accessible on the web and directly developing
the ideas of the great Louis de Broglie who had clearly shown a way out of the
spooky science impasse many years ago (see http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9911107 ),
but this clearly designated "new way" (now successfully completed) remains
officially ignored, for decades, despite the formally "encouraged" search for it.
It is that kind of real science operation that "doesn’t make any sense, honestly"
and while it senselessly persists on the background of ‘ officially accepted ‘ lies,
no positive, fruitful and problem-solving knowledge development can restart,
irrespective of explicitly proposed problem solutions and realistic, consistent
and experimentally confirmed quantum-physics framework.
14 Aug, 2008
Posted by: Andrei Kirilyuk
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080813/full/news.2008.1038.html
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