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#30437 04/21/09 09:41 PM
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COLD FUSION IS HOT AGAIN....
or prehaps on the Boil again.There are now a number of Laboratories around the world who now state that Cold fusion DOES work.
The Naval Research Lab Washington DC. -- STI International-- The Pentagon-- A Top Israeli Research Lab-- and various other Labs around the world, they all now state that Cold Fusion works.
They also agree that non of their experiments are reproducable.
Some times it takes days for the experiment to produce the excess 'fusion heat', at other times even weeks.
It has been the non-reproducability of every experiment ever done
that has discredited not only Pons and Martin Fleishmann, but most every lab that has ever tried to run this simple experiment.

It appears simple, take a strip of Paladium metal, connect it up to a battery, and dunk the now warm Paladium into Deturium Water (D2).
If and when the experiment works, you get more heat out than your electric current puts in.
You would have thought that simple calculations using Ohms Law,
Power in versus Heat out, a few thermocouples and thermometers would have proven Cold Fusion years ago? Apparently not.
Not one single Lab anywhere was able to reproduce even their own experiments. There was the problem.
Sometimes a little extra heat was thought to be produced? Other times a little less, but most times, none at all.
Everybody went home with their tail between their legs, everything was wound up and forgotten. Nobody was prepared to suffer the ignominious fate of Pons and Martin Fleishmann, who both went from possible Nobel prize winners, to accepting a quiet retirement, away from the sneers of their colleagues.

So where did it all go wrong?
It didnt go wrong they said, it was the physics, it just could'nt work. Just a clever theory that could'nt work.

Until one day, years later, someones Fusion experiment started working...months after it was set up.
Slowly, slowly it was realised that Cold Fusion sometimes took days even weeks to work (if it did). But why?
The Pentagon, US Naval Research Labs, STI International, Israeli Goverment, and many others, are now sure its all to do with the Palladium metal. Different batches, different ores, different manufactures. Indistinguishable as metals, but different in some other way, prehaps some impurities, a diff: crystaline internal structure? Nobody is quite sure....But it looks Cold Fusion is back on Heat again.

I leave it to you Scientists, to decide for yourselves.
after you have had a look at this rather compelling Video, (disregard the short advert to start)

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4955212n

Having seen that, read this:- (its quicker)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/17/60minutes/main4952167.shtml

***My Thoughts
If this really does work, its going to be very heavily sat upon!


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Originally Posted By: Mike Kremer
it was the physics, it just couldn't work
Well, exactly... frown

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Quote:
***My Thoughts
If this really does work, its going to be very heavily sat upon!


HOW TRUE...

I wonder if there is some type of influence comming from outside
the controled area of the experiments.

such as atmospheric pressure changes when doors are opened in the building , or ionic influences on the battery of some type.

or on the deturium.

it seems that there must be something outside that needs to be included into the experiment.


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Originally Posted By: paul
such as atmospheric pressure changes
This is exactly the subject of physics to find all dependencies. Instead of this, we can met with supersymmetry phenomena: every big finding is surrounded by apparent lack of interest, which becomes the more pronounced, the more such finding is significant. AWT explains this by surface tension energy of space-time curvature: big ideas are behaving like mercury droplets, which repels the other, smaller ones. As another example can serve the formation of strangelets or dark matter formation around large gallaxies.

At the case of cold fusion, we're getting to limits of quantum uncertainty, because of low probability of phenomena - so it's not so surprising, these experiments aren't reproducible. It's apparent, both human thinking, both methodology of contemporary physics cannot handle well research of phenomena of extremely low probability or reproducibility.

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I had a spark of insight (or craziness) while watching the 60 minutes piece.
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So the cold-fusion idea of drawing the deuteron into the palladium lattice is sound enough physics or electrochemistry. The trick is how to get two deuterons to try and occupy the same position within the lattice--fusing.

What about taking that saturated palladium and putting it in an NMR? Wouldn't that get the deuterons to "resonate" so that they fused?

My first thought was some sort of sudden positive charge to push the deuterons farther into the lattice (or negative charge from the other side--to pull them farther in) hoping that some of them will end up colliding and fusing. But I think the NMR idea may be more effective.

60 Minutes said, of the many such experiment, that excess heat often is produced--
but that it cannot be predicted.
The excess heat is variable in amount, inception, and duration.
While this should be great fodder of an article in The Journal of Irreproducible Results
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The Journal of Irreproducible Results: ISSN 0022-2038
Publisher: Park Forest South, Ill. [etc.] Society for Basic Irreproducible Research.
Note: Official organ of the Society for Basic Irreproducible Research.
URL for this item http://catalog.library.colostate.edu/record=b1208400~S0
I still think this variability is trying to tell us something!

Doesn't this sound like an equilibrium--being held just below the threshhold of activation energy--where occasionally, randomly, the reactants will spontaneously find their way over the hump, of the threshhold of activation, and actually react?
As you say Paul, some "outside influence" may be pushing them over the threshhold of reaction. If that is happening, then the deuterium must be very close to fusing already, right?

Please realize that I don't care about the "imaging" part of the NMR.
It is only the NMR's capacity to tunably align the spin of protons that gives it the ability to affect the reaction rate of deuterons held within a lattice. As the spins relax, some of the protons become invisible to others and this should drive some rearrangement within the lattice--increasing the likelihood of fusion as deuterons "attempt" to occupy the same lattice niche simultaneously.

I think we'd need to expose the loaded (or loading) palladium electrode to an NMR field--to increase the reaction rate--causing fusion.

I'm suggesting that we could push the deuteron fusion reaction over that threshhold--to fusion--by using Nuclear Magnetic Resonance to increase the likelihood that the D+ nuclei interact; especially if done while the deuterons are loading into the palladium lattice.

The deuterium nuclei are already unstable--being held in the palladium lattice. All we need to do us push that instability a little more.

Thoughts?

p.s. Maybe just physically moving the loaded palladium through a strong magnetic field (or a collapsing magnetic field) would be more effective--forcing the protons to move through the lattice as the spin alignments are relaxing.

...another possibility would be to hit the loading electrode with radio waves of the frequency that the deuterons emit when their spins are relaxing.
...or some combination of all this stuff....
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Originally Posted By: samwik
Wouldn't that get the deuterons to "resonate" so that they fused?
This is definitely idea, which can and could be tested. In general, cold fusion experiments are still deadly primitive and non-inventive - in fact they didn't change from Fleischman & Pons' times.

We can compare these experiments with both money sources, both intellectual investments to search of Higgs boson, which is of elusive nature by the same way, like cold fusion - but of a much lower practical significance. It's evident, mainstream physics has different preferences, then the whole rest of society - in fact it appears annoyed by every new evidence of cold fusion.

By AWT every sectarian society separates from the rest of society in less or more distant perspective and as such it becomes a sort of informational black hole, separated from the needs of the rest. It's apparent, theoretical physicist apparently ignore, every minute without cold fusion exhaust atmosphere by greenhouse gas emissions, it depletes a valuable sources of fossil fuels, which we need for production of carbon based materials and it destroys unrecoverable genetic information in many extinct species, which we can use for production of medical drugs etc.

We can ever see, some of these theorists actively fighting against "global warming" and "alarmists". What's going on?

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Wouldn't that get the deuterons to "resonate" so that they fused?
This is definitely idea, which can and could be tested.

Thanks!
Do you know anyone with an NMR to try this?
We could have cold fusion tomorrow!


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The co-deposition of palladium in magnetic field of medium intensity (0.5 - 1.0 T) was tested already with no pronounced success. Nevertheless during this the formation of pairs alpha particle tracks was observed, which were deflected by magnetic field.

The NMR problem is, EM field used here is rather of low intensity with compare to magnetic field (2 - 5 T). Each microwave oven and/or rare earth magnet would make a better job for you.

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They reviewed the history of CF, even going so far as going to England's countryside to meet with Martin Fleischman, one of the two renounced electro-chemist scientists that were disgraced by their ever so smart peers. Even today, their names remain as a joke, even though 20 years later the proof to validate their work exists. Sound like HJ and Mylow ????? There are numerous labs throughout the world trying to solve the unreliability of being able to repeatably make it work so as to commercialize it, even though the public still doesn't know or believe it works.
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Now we can understand better, why Galileo or Copernicus were ignored for decades.


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