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The Big Crunch will happen after an infinite time

The collapse of the universe will happen after an infinite time.
For that, a singularity has to happen and I think no space (the
void set) must have a part in it.
We have seen that time can be infinite in "An idea about time in
cosmology" in ASL Annual Meeting 2OO4.
We have also seen that space at the level of elementary particles
can be described with only a particular case of the axiom of
choice holding, countable choice for a family of sets of n elements
n=2 through m ,in "About space and time of elementary particles"
in ASL Annual Meeting 2005 and in "About space being not a
continuum" in Logic Colloquium 2005.

No space (the void set) cannot be reached by a finite number of
times but by infinite Cartesian products of sets of locations.

The void set will be supplemented with particles and it will not
be the void set any more but without there being space.
Then, it will be again the singularity of the Big Bang which
creates space.

To explain more, in my view, space is the set U of urelements (non
sets) of a Fraenkel Mostowski model and the Big Crunch will occur
because of what happens with such a space.
The connection between that specific set theory and physical space
is my thesis, at the level of elementary particles.
The conclusion of the Big Crunch happening holds because bodies
are made of elementary particles.
The actual infinite means that the Big Crunch will really happen.

We have to notice that time can be countable or of the cardinality
of the set of urelements U or a continuum, like space can
be of the cardinality of U or a continuum, in different cases.
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Here is an article you might want to read.

"Big Bang or Big Goof"?

http://www.wired.com/print/science/space/news/2007/11/big_bang

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Interesting, but...

...to quote from your website, Adib:

"About Me

I cannot get intelligent comments and I wonder why."

Perhaps one of the problems is your evident anticipation that readers will make head or tail of what you're talking about. Although I hope you receive some intelligent comments hereafter, you would surely elicit a better response by addressing those more thoroughly conversant with set theory - as I suppose may be found on a forum for mathematicians.

Incidentally, as you may well be aware, cyclic universe theories have generally been abandoned as being inconsistent with observations and current knowledge of physics, irrespective of whatever symbolic logic may have to say about it.


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Redewenur,
Thank you for your comments.
Thank you for visiting my web page.
Mathematicians write keep pure mathematics pure.
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The Big Crunch will happen after an infinite time, it will not happen at all and it has no meaning to deal with it.

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The actual infinite exists (Cantor), not only the potential.
Which means it will be reached, the Big Crunch.
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Originally Posted By: Adib Ben Jebara
The actual infinite exists (Cantor), not only the potential. Which means it will be reached, the Big Crunch.
The "actual infinite" is oxymoron. You cannot reach the infinite by the same way, like the intersection of parallel lines - or we should redefine the existence concept.

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Socratus,

Just to advise that in future posts like this will be deleted. They belong in the "Not quite Science Forum"

Thx

Kate


Before “ big bang “ was God.
I now only two ways to explain this fact.

1)
The action, when the God compresses all Universe
into his palm, we have named " a singular point".
And action, when the God opens his palm,
we have named the "Big Bang".

The Catholic Church agrees with this idea.
Why ?
So it came as a surprise when Pope Pius XII declared
his approval in 1951 of a brand new cosmological
theory—the Big Bang. “
Look:
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/

2)
At first God used (according to Quantum theory ) the
Vacuum ( T= 0K ) to create “ virtual particles “ and
they created (according SRT + QED and GRT) the
Universe and Everything in this Materialistic Universe.

3)
Do you have another idea ?
==========..
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
http://www.socratus.com
http://www.wbabin.net
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/sadovnik.htm
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf




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Ok, real quick question about the Big Crunch.

At the moments of the final "squeeze" of all energy in the universe, it'll be insanly dark right?


I think therefore I'm MAN.

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