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 #27253 - 07/23/08 04:37 AM Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Adib Ben Jebara Member Registered: 07/02/08 Posts: 36 Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Beside the particular case of the axiom of choice CC(2 through m), countable choice for sets of n elements n=2 through m, there is the particular case where the whole axiom is negated, no choice at all. In "All things are numbers" in Logic Colloquium 2001, and in "About the strength of Evil" in ASL Winter Meeting 2004 2005, I wrote that the numbers of attributes of Evil are infinite sums and products of integers. If there is no choice at all, which is a standing valid case, as I am changing my mind to include this case beside CC(2 through m),the only infinite sums or products well defined (existing) is the infinite sum 1+1+1+.... which is equal to aleph zero. So, Evil is really restricted. The case where the whole axiom of choice is negated is not a parametric case. We apply it to ethics. Another way for clarification is the following : Let us consider the infinite cardinal product XiAi Ai being sets of attributes of Evil of size the same or different integers, without the ai being urelements. In some model of the negation of the axiom of choice, the product is void. So, the number of combined attributes of Evil is not like with the axiom of choice an infinite product of integers (which is the cardinality of the continuum), but 1+1+1+....(which is aleph zero). As for the numbers of attributes of Good, I wrote in "All things are numbers" in Logic Colloquium 2001 that they are Dedekind cardinals. A criticism that I am making to myself is that, in such a case, attributes must be indistinguishable as urelements are. Attributes would go like : Good, Good, Good, ... Adib Ben Jebara.http://www.freewebs.com/adibbenjebara Top
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 #27264 - 07/24/08 01:43 AM Re: Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Amaranth Rose II Superstar Registered: 12/16/06 Posts: 962 Loc: Southeast Nebraska, USA Is it just me, or has this thread degenerated into gibberish? "attributes must be indistinguishable as urelements are.Attributes would go like : Good, Good, Good, ... "I feel like Alice in Wonderland, wondering what is going on. _________________________ If you don't care for reality, just wait a while; another will be along shortly. --A Rose Top
 #27266 - 07/24/08 04:02 AM Re: Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Adib Ben Jebara Member Registered: 07/02/08 Posts: 36 Thank you for your reply.What you read is what is odd with a form of the infinite.I am sorry if it looks dumb, there are not mmany ways to callGood but there are many ways to call Evil, that's why.Adib Ben Jebara. Top
 #27268 - 07/24/08 04:12 AM Re: Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Anonymous Unregistered No Amaranth, it is not just you. This is pure gibberish and nonsense. Top
 #27278 - 07/24/08 05:30 PM Re: Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Tutor Turtle Megastar Registered: 06/19/08 Posts: 1249 Loc: Everywhere and nowhere Quote:What you read is what is odd with a form of the infinite.I am sorry if it looks dumb, there are not mmany ways to callGood but there are many ways to call Evil, that's why. What you focus on grows... I'd say you need to reevaluate your priorities and learn to focus on what you want to create in your life rather than what you don't want. Then you won't be imaging such a soiled mirror of reality and truth. _________________________ I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but then I turned myself around!! Top
 #27282 - 07/25/08 12:14 AM Re: Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Adib Ben Jebara Member Registered: 07/02/08 Posts: 36 If people do not understand the axiom of choice, they will not appreciate what I write, and will understand me wrong.Adib Ben Jebara. Top
 #27284 - 07/25/08 12:22 AM Re: Negation of the axiom of choice and Evil Tutor Turtle Megastar Registered: 06/19/08 Posts: 1249 Loc: Everywhere and nowhere I was commenting on your statement Quote: there are not mmany ways to call Good but there are many ways to call Evil If evil stands out more than good in your experience, it is only because that is what you draw toward yourself. In making choices one must first understand that they are not a victim to circumstance or choice becomes a moot point.As I said: "What you focus on grows" _________________________ I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but then I turned myself around!! Top

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