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This is the latest 3D picture of the polar cap on Mars
Taken by the HiRISE (Hi-Resolution) Camera.
NASA first implied that the polar glacier/mountains were 2 miles
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But the Hi-Res photo seems to show just a good covering of sublimated ice and CO2. Still better than nothing!

http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=mola_pole_021203_02.jpg





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Man! That is some picture! How big across is that structure in the picture? Do we have anything to compare it to on Earth?


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Originally Posted By: Amaranth Rose II
Man! That is some picture! How big across is that structure in the picture? Do we have anything to compare it to on Earth?


My sentiments exactly, it is some picture, especially as we have always been taught that Mars is hot, red, dry and dusty.

This is the Martian South Pole, the area shown is about the size of Texas. With some of the mountains being 2 miles high.
Apparently there is a smaller amount of sublimed ice present at the North Pole. (No HiRES picture as yet).

I posted some earlier information here in this Forum, last March 6th.
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http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=19001


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Thanks for the pics, and the info. It's interesting to think that Mars has water on it, albeit in ice form. Maybe we can someday use it when we visit there.


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I think you're being a bit picky! It's an amazing photo and I thought it looked very high and imposing, also very 3D. However what do you mean by 'sublimated' ice? Is it actually not real?

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Sublimated ice simply means it goes from being vapor to ice and completely skips the liquid water part. If the ice wasn't sublimated, it would lead to the assumption that somewhere between the parts of the planet where water exists as vapor and where water exists as ice it exists as a liquid. So far, I dont think any proof of liquid water has been found..


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Originally Posted By: Amaranth Rose II
Thanks for the pics, and the info. It's interesting to think that Mars has water on it, albeit in ice form. Maybe we can someday use it when we visit there.

Originally Posted By: Mike Kremer

You bet we will use the water there Amaranth.
I found some Mars-Express Hi-Res pictures of the Ice at Mars South Pole.
Latest estimates are that if it was melted it would cover Mars with in about 33 feet of water !!
Also the Radar camera has detected additional water up to 5 kilometers deep.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMEX9M5NDF_1.html

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33 feet deep, sounds very optimistic to me.
Would'nt the sand all soak it up? It has been dry for a few million years.




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Does anyone believe the latest claim made that the sky of Mars is blue? NASA has been acused of using filters to give false colors of the red planet. Some photos I saw that were suppose to be the true colors certainly look authentic. If the sky is blue that means some oxygen is in the atmosphere. Meaning water. What say you?
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The colour of images taken on Mars depends, apparently, on the local atmospheric conditions at the time the image is obtained.

ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/pao/pressrel/1997/97-148.txt

"If dust diffuses to the landing site, the sky could turn out to be pink like that seen by Viking," says Philip James of the University of Toledo. "Otherwise, Pathfinder will likely show blue sky with bright clouds."

About 0.03% of Mars' atmosphere is water vapour, compared to about 1% for Earth.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/M/Marsatmos.html

NASA sometimes does add artificial colour to images, particularly those deep space shots, but there's nothing sinister about it. Perhaps the colour of some Mars images has been altered, I wouldn't know. As for the accusations, presumably of deliberate deception, maybe they come from the same kind of people who accuse NASA of faking the Apollo landings.

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I have looked at some of the anomalies in the Mars photos and I can say that some people have a vivid imagination. There are some however I have scratched my head over. The photos of the ice are really something. You almost expect to see an igloo!
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Originally Posted By: odin1
I have looked at some of the anomalies in the Mars photos.........> The photos of the ice are really something. You almost expect to see an igloo!
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Originally Posted By: Mike Kremer


I agree with you, odin1, the ice photos do get one thinking.
But then I am very optimistic about water/ice being on Mars.
Here is some more info, this time suggesting Glaciers.

I am certain that were we able to dig down 6 feet on Mars we would find water, or at least dampness. Hopefully the youngsters alive today will know within their lifetime.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080424-mars-active-climate.html





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You know Mike, one of the proposals for a trip to Mars was create the fuel (hydrogen) from water trapped under the surface.
Who knows our grandchildren may be trout fishing there in the not so distant future.

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I remember reading an article in some science magazine in either the very late 1980s or very early 1990s and in it they said it was believed that Mars' lack of mass allowed its atmosphere to bleed off into space and then it went into an elaborate description of how NASA planned on warm Mars up and bring back its atmosphere. One thing which puzzled me then and still does with this plan is how will they prevent the Atmosphere from bleeding off again? Oh and another thing how will they get a magnetic field to cover Mars so the people on the planet won't die every time the sun has a solar storm?

Personally I think the answer lies with Venus where we can lob passing comets at the planet which should blast most of that planet's toxic atmosphere into space, replace it with a water based atmosphere, and introduce a proper spin to the planet so that the iron core inside of Venus can make a magnetic field to protect our first colonists.

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Currently it is said Mars is warming up. If this is true and water is below the surface in the form of ice, and more water vapor is released into the atmosphere, it may have a change in atmosphere. I saw some clouds in photographs last week in the atmosphere of Mars. I know it is a lot more complicated than that, but if Mars is warming up something must be going on there is a reason for it and no telling what it will lead to.

Interesting though about what you said about Venus. I have never heard that before. It is a pity Hale - Bob (hope I spelled that right) the comet that hit Jupiter didn't hit Venus.
We might be seeing a different Venus now.

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I don't think the Hale Bopp Comet would have had much effect on the atmosphere of Venus since it was an old comet which had orbited close to our sun too many times and I think the only thing left of that comet was the rocks because all of the gas had been depleted by the sun. If the Hale Bopp comet had hit venus though it might have a significant effect in other ways though if it were able to add a spin to the planet, but for that answer I think a qualified scientist would need to speak up since I am just a common man with a curiosity towards science.

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I knew I was spelling Hale Bopp wrong! I just wanted to see if you knew how to spell it.

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Originally Posted By: Rallem
I don't think the Hale Bopp Comet would have had much effect on the atmosphere of Venus since it was an old comet which had orbited close to our sun too many times and I think the only thing left of that comet was the rocks because all of the gas had been depleted by the sun. If the Hale Bopp comet had hit venus though it might have a significant effect in other ways though if it were able to add a spin to the planet, but for that answer I think a qualified scientist would need to speak up since I am just a common man with a curiosity towards science.

I'm sure you're right on all counts, Rallem. I suspect that the mass of an impacting object would need to be much greater than that of any known comet in order to significantly alter a planet's rotation period. And I can't imagine how many cometary impacts it would take to provide venus with a more agreeable atmosphere. But again, your right about our views being non-expert. The ideas are very interesting, and I would like to see some expert opinions on just what it might take to achieve the desired changes.

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I don't even know if I spelled it right Odin, but I know which comet you were referring to.

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Just kidding, I watched a documentary about two or three weeks ago I've seen it several times, I think it was on the Discovery Channel and they were talking about Hale Bopp-and I still couldn't spell it right.

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I've had an idea about a science fiction story about what I described above where astronauts from around the world would select a comet a little smaller than the size of Mars to alter its course and guide it into a collision course with Venus to Terra Form that planet, but I have been thinking that if Scientists could think of an operation like this would they risk it with one large comet or would they maybe try to bombard Venus with several smaller comets so no one mistake can drastically foul things up.

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