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#21460 - 05/11/07 01:58 AM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: Mitthrawnuruodo]
redewenur Offline

Registered: 02/14/07
Posts: 1840
Mitt, it seems that there's not quite none, but nearly:

"Nearly all of the world's helium supply is found within a 250-mile radius of Amarillo, Texas (the Helium Capital of the World). A byproduct of billions of years of decay, helium is distilled from natural gas that has accumulated in the presence of radioactive uranium and thorium deposits. If it's not extracted during the natural gas refining process, helium simply soars off when the gas is burned, unrecoverable."

"Time is what prevents everything from happening at once" - John Wheeler

#21751 - 05/23/07 01:26 AM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: Mitthrawnuruodo]
Mike Kremer Offline


Registered: 10/16/04
Posts: 1696
Loc: London UK
Originally Posted By: Mitthrawnuruodo
I believe the U.S. has not taken claim to own Antartica though they reserve the right to do so.

My old Atlas shows Antartica as sliced up like pieces of cake.
Showing -Australia, Norway, Britain, France, USA, Russia, as having large slices.
But I believe any country can set up a 'permanent scientific' base, if they wish?

Regarding latest Chinese mission to the Moon

China plans to send an unmanned ship to orbit the moon this year

An unmanned mission to land on the moon is next
A manned lunar voyage is planned for some time after 2017

Scientists in Shanghai are developing a nuclear-powered lunar rover for the country's first unmanned mission to the moon in 2012.
The six-wheeled vehicle has been under development for four years at the Shanghai Aerospace System Engineering Institute, where a laboratory has been outfitted to replicate the lunar surface. The 1.5-metre-high, 200-kilogram rover is designed to transmit video in real time, dig for and analyze soil samples and produce three dimensional images of the lunar surface.
With an average speed of 100 metres per hour, it can negotiate inclines and has automatic sensors to prevent it from crashing into other objects. Researchers were still refining its ability to handle low gravity, exposure to cosmic rays and temperature extremes and plan to build an even more sophisticated laboratory to mimic those conditions.
No figures were given for the cost of the rover program and the institute is not accepting media interviews.

Shanghai Daily report. Re-reported by (Canadian) cbc.ca ....on April 2 '07

Mike Kremer.

"You will never find a real Human being - Even in a mirror." ....Mike Kremer.

#22084 - 06/14/07 12:59 PM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: Mike Kremer]

Who exactly owns the moon anyway, does every nation on Earth own it ? I would imagine the correct answer must be the most powerfull military nations on earth own the moon.History has shown us that powerfull nations will take what they want because they can, As the old saying goes "Might is Right" !
Helium 3 in the future would be like oil today and the people who are making money out of oil today will be making the biggest investments into the recovery of Helium 3 from the Moon.They will be doing it to make more money for themselves because that's what business men do.Should we be digging up the moon for Helium 3, so we can provide cheap power for everyone on the earth ? Wouldn't it be better to try and live within our own means first using renewable energy sources on the earth before looking at extraterestrial fuel recovery activities ? I think we should also try and fix our own planet first before we go and pollute other planets and planetoids.History has shown us that we have made terrible environmental mistakes in the past, just look at the Amazon Rain Forrest, surely we don't want to keep repeating these mistakes ! There is a lot we don't know about the moon and yet we already have businessmen talking about exploiting the moon for energy.I personaly think The moon should initialy be explored for scientific reasons.We should try and understand the moon first before we start a crazy lunar gold rush !

#22086 - 06/14/07 01:49 PM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: ]
redewenur Offline

Registered: 02/14/07
Posts: 1840
Originally Posted By: ninelivecat
Who exactly owns the moon anyway...?

In short: No State can claim a part of outer space as its own. The moon and other celestial bodies are not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of occupation, or by any other means.

The official info is here: http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/treaties.html

United Nations Treaties and Principles on Outer Space: http://www.unoosa.org/pdf/publications/STSPACE11E.pdf Go to: PART 1, E. Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, Pages 27-35

Extract: "Article 8. 1. States Parties may pursue their activities in the exploration and use of the Moon anywhere on or below its surface, subject to the provisions of this Agreement."
"Time is what prevents everything from happening at once" - John Wheeler

#22099 - 06/15/07 04:09 AM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: redewenur]
terrytnewzealand Offline

Registered: 08/02/06
Posts: 1031
Loc: Whangarei New Zealand
True, but I believe Ninelivecat is correct:

"History has shown us that powerfull nations will take what they want because they can". Treaty or no treaty.

#22107 - 06/15/07 06:44 AM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: terrytnewzealand]
redewenur Offline

Registered: 02/14/07
Posts: 1840
Certainly Ninelivecat is correct. Human nature is unlikely to take a turn for the better due to 1/6 gravity. It's not only history. It's happening right now.
"Time is what prevents everything from happening at once" - John Wheeler

#22148 - 06/16/07 09:42 PM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: redewenur]
soilguy Offline
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Registered: 09/28/05
Posts: 414
Loc: North Carolina
Well this competition should get us off our lazy butts to persue phaser technology!
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."
--S. Lewis

#24825 - 02/12/08 03:40 AM Re: Russia to Mine the Moon [Re: Mitthrawnuruodo]
Jakob Offline
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Registered: 02/11/08
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Loc: New York City
so, who's ready for the Cold War round 2?
Bertrand Russell manhandled me!

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