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The Quran Foretells a Future Meeting
with the People of Mars


There are many Quranic revelations that declare the existence of life on Mars and some other planets:

The planets are inhabited
http://universeandquran.741.com http://universeandquran.741.com/#Planets Inhabited
The planets are earths like our Earth. They contain mountains, seas, rivers, trees, gardens and other things which are present on our Earth. They include also animals and some kinds of intelligent human beings who worship and serve God.

1. [The existence, on the planets, of intelligent beings: humans and demons (or genies) ]
The indication of that is His saying – be exalted – in the Quran, 30: 26
(و لَهُ مَنْ في السماواتِ و الأرضِ كُلٌّ لَهُ قانِتُون .)
The explanation: (To Him belongs [as a slave] whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. All are devoutly obedient* to Him.)
[*Exactly, it means they are inclined towards God only, and avoiding those other than Him.]
Moreover, God –be exalted –said in the Quran, 17: 55
(و ربُّكَ أعلمُ بِمَنْ في السماواتِ و الأرضِ )
The explanation: ( [O Mohammed,] your Lord knows best about all those who are in the heavens and the earth), and we have said that ‘the heavens and the earth’ means the terrestrial planets. Refer to our website

The interpretation: God is All Aware of the work and deeds of all the inhabitants of the terrestrial planets and the earth, and He sent them messengers (or apostles) –out of themselves –to teach and guide them.

God –be exalted –said also in the Quran, 55: 29
(يَسألُهُ مَنْ في السماواتِ و الأرضِ كلَّ يومٍ هوَ في شأنٍ .)
The explanation: (Whosoever is in the heavens and the earth begs of Him*; every day [their begging] is in [a new] one of [their] affairs.)
[* of God – be exalted.]

2 [The existence of the plant on the planets]
Moreover, God –be exalted –said in the Quran, 27: 25
(ألاّ يَسجُدُوا للهِ الّذي يُخرِجُ الخَبْءَ في السماواتِ و الأرضِ و يَعلمُ ما تُخفونَ و ما تُعلِنونَ ؟)
The explanation: (Will they not adore [and obey] God Who brings forth what [plant] is hidden [under the soil] in the heavens and the earth, and knows what [secrets] you hide and what you proclaim ?)
The ‘hidden’ means the plant because the seed is hidden under the ground, then it will come out as a plant.

3. [The existence of animals and man on the planets]
In addition, God –be exalted –said in the Quran, 42: 29
(و مِنْ آياتِهِ خَلقُ السماواتِ و الأرضِ و ما بَثَّ فيهِما مِنْ دابّةٍ و هوَ على جَمعِهم إذا يَشاءُ قديرٌ .)
The explanation: (And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and what He has spread abroad therein of beasts [ lit.: moving creatures], and He is All-Able to gather them if He wills.)

An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
http://universeandquran.741.com http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
Astronomers are primarily concerned today in the search for the possibility of life on other planets like Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the other planets. They prepared everything possible for that; they planned for it, and even they designed signs and marks which they broadcasted throughout the space to find their way by them and for mutual understanding with any intelligent creature that might be existent on the other planets.
In this respect, we can assure that this will take place by God’s will. Sooner or later, the humanity will one day face an exciting, and may be a fruitful, meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of one [or more] of the terrestrial planets. Mars may be the most anticipated planet for this event, because of the information that astronomers have obtained about it, and which affirm the existence of water and other essentials of life on its surface.
To confirm my words about such anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets, I refer to the word of God, in the Quran,42: 29
(و مِنْ آياتِهِ خَلْقُ السماواتِ و الأرضِ و ما بَثَّ فيهِما مِنْ كلِّ دابّةٍ و هو على جَمعِهم إذا يَشاءُ قديرٌ .)
The explanation: (And [one] of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and what He has spread abroad therein of beasts [lit.: moving creatures]; and He is All-Able to gather them if He wills.)
The interpretation:
--( And [one] of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth) It means: Among His signs that indicate His existence is the creation of the terrestrial planets including the earth,
--( and what He has spread abroad therein of beasts [lit.: moving creatures] ) i.e. the creatures [:animals and human beings] that move on these planets including the Earth.
--( and He is All-Able to gather them if He wills.)
Here, there is a clear declaration about the possibility of meeting between the inhabitants of some of the planets and the inhabitants of Earth. But if God –be exalted – meant by that the ‘gathering-together’ of the Judgment Day, when souls will be gathered together for judgment, then He would not mention that with (if He wills), but the Quranic revelation would come in an affirmation form, as it is noticed in many Quranic revelations concerning the gathering and congregation on the Day of the ‘gathering-together’ for Judgment then the reward or punishment;[which is inevitable.]

In addition, God –be exalted – specified this meeting with His Ability to accomplish it, and that is by saying قدير i.e. (All-Able); because it is very difficult to mankind at the present time to make such a meeting without some aid for that. But nothing is difficult to God, the Glorious, the Almighty Who is All-Able to gather between the people of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets like Mars for example, in this life of the World before the Hereafter; and that is by inspiring man the science and knowledge to achieve his justified ambition to explore the unknown in the horizons of the heavens and earth.

The Journey to Venus is dangerous
http://universeandquran.741.com http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Traveling to Venus
The volume of Venus was two-thirds that of the Earth, but later it shrunk, so that its volume became somewhat smaller. It was completing its rotation around itself in a period of 16 hours, so that its day was 8 hours, and so was its night. But Venus stopped its axial rotation, and now it does not rotate around its axis; therefore, the day and night of Venus have become everlasting, and they do not succeed each other, because of the depletion of its internal heat, and because heat is the reason for the rotation of an object around itself.
The central gravitational force of Venus was keeping what living organisms were on it, just like the Earth, but it finished since the depleting of its central heat; and, actually, Venus became like our Moon, having no gravitation except that which it obtains from the sun heat, and that is in the day-side, i.e. the side which is in front of the Sun.
Venus, in the past, was inhabited; for there were human beings, animals, plant, trees and other things; but the life on Venus ended because of its standstill from axial rotation, and all its inhabitants died, its rivers dried up and its trees burnt; therefore, whosoever was on the day-side died from excessive heat and thirst, and whosoever was on the night-side died from excessive coldness and starvation.
If anyone goes to Venus and lands on the day-side, he will die from excessive heat; and if he lands on the night-side, he will suffer there from severe coldness and lack of food, and the Sun may draw him by its gravitation so he will die because of its rays [or heat]; that is because Venus is devoid of gravitation, and because of being near to the Sun. The traveler to Venus, then, will find towns, houses, clubs and shops, but will not see anyone dwelling therein; he will see furniture and property, but will not see any owner of them; he will see rivers but without water; and trees but they have been burnt by the Sun heat.

The Journey to Mars is successful
http://universeandquran.741.com http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Traveling to Mars
Mars is larger than Earth by less than two times; it completes its rotation around itself in a period of about 44 hours. Therefore, its day is 22 hours, and so is its night, and its year equals about two of our years. Mars is inhabited and contains plant, trees, animals, human beings, mountains, rivers, seas and other things. Hence, the dwelling on Mars is possible; because the traveler to Mars will find the water there available; he, too, will find ample food and much fruit, but we don’t know whether the weather, the temperature, and air-constituents there are suitable or not for the man of Earth; but we think that man can overcome these difficulties, or at least he can adapt himself to them.

The emigration to Mars
http://universeandquran.741.com http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Emigration to Mars
Earth rotates around itself because of its central heat, so that the day and night result from its rotation, but this heat will finish because of the eruption of volcanoes and the emergence of fire and gases to the outside, and it will stop from its axial rotation as time and years pass by, just as how had Mercury and Venus stopped before.
Consequently, the day and night will be everlasting and will not succeed each other, so that the heat will become very severe on the day-side; therefore, rivers will evaporate, trees will burn out, animals will perish and people will die at that time from severe heat, thirst and starvation; while those dwelling in the night-side will die from severe coldness and starvation. At that time, death will be on Earth and life on Mars.
God –be exalted – said in the Quran, 10: 24
(حتّى إذا أخذَتِ الأرضُ زُخرُفَها و ازّينتْ و ظَنْ أهلُها أنّهم قادرونَ عليها أتاها أمرُنا ليلاً أو نَهاراً فَجَعَلْناها حَصيداً كَأنْ لَمْ تَغْنَ بِالأمسِ )
The explanation: (Till when the earth is decked with its ornaments [of the green plant and colorful flowers] and is embellished [with much plant and fruit], and its people think they have power of disposal over it[s crops: about to harvest it;] there comes to it Our order, [to destroy it], by night or day, and We make it stubble, as if it did not flourish only the day before.)

Comment: Americans took photographs of certain areas of Mars by their space-crafts in the year 1965A.D. [and in the following years; their rover is now roaming in some desolate area of Mars], and they said that nothing appeared in the images which might indicate signs of the existence of life on Mars. I say that the camera caught part of the uninhabited desolate desert of Mars, by chance; [recently they picked images of sandstorms on Mars] and did not view the inhabited region of Mars, in order to transmit its picture to the Earth, but this will take place in the future.

[The recent images of Mars are not natural; I mean they are picked and transmitted by computerized way through some program, then they have undergone some processing procedure.]


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Originally Posted By: Ea Nassir

The Quran tells of:-

An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets

To confirm my words about such anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets, I refer to the word of God, in the Quran,42: 29

........>that is because Venus is devoid of gravitation, and because of being near to the Sun. The traveler to Venus, then, will find towns, houses, clubs and shops, but will not see anyone dwelling therein;
Mars is inhabited and contains plant, trees, animals, human beings, mountains, rivers,etc...............
The recent images of Mars are not natural;


Wow!!
I must congratulate you upon the huge amount of work you have put in to this topic.
However I must say it is too long for most of us to read and digest.

May I point out that it seems that your Quran has flagrantly copied from ancient texts which are 6-7000 years older than your Quran. Since the Moslem religion is an extremely new religion, it has obviously borrowed from others?.

The Hindu Ancient Vedic Aerial Wars talk of spacecraft battles.

http://www.crystalinks.com/vedic.html



The Indian epic the 'Mahabharata' (the longest epic in the World to be ever written) talks about 'Arjuna' who waged wars using aerial-cars and annihilation bombs that came from another Planet.

http://larryavisbrown.homestead.com/files/xeno.mahabsynop.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bridge/1771/Desh/Mb/mb.html

Also Rama fought aerial spaceship duels with Ravan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramayana#Battle_of_Lanka

Again a little earlier, Sumerian Cuniform tablets tell us in the epic of Gilgamesh, in the 7th tablet. That 'Enkidu' was taken up in a spaceship for a total of 8 hours. Upon his return he wrote that the earth looked like a mixture of food porridge, and the oceans looked like a rainwater puddle.

http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/

Then much later, when the 'Five Books of the old Testament' were written, the part of the bible that Moslems believe in.
one reads that Ezekial wrote a precise description of the space ship that landed near him, its noise, and the 4 people sitting within it. (Ezekial 1:4-28)
A good description of this Space ship is given in Ezekial 1:16-21
In fact so good, that Joseph Blumrich, a Skylab space engineer, drew and published 3D pictures of this Biblical object.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/awr_1_6.htm

A number of the Psalms of David can be construed to talk about extraterrestials, Psalm 104, and 97, are just two. While Psalm 68 actually mentions viewing the Earth from a height?

In more modern times there is the Zadokite document found in a Synagogue at Cairo in the 1890's, which reads about the landing of Spacemen and the immorality they practised.

http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/damasc.html

I'm not forgetting the ancient Aztecs who produced and used the most amazing and accurate Calendar of its time. Their system of circular concentric wheels allowed them to go back or forwards in dates by plus and minus 4 million years. One wonders why they needed such a calculator?

Nearly forgot the Chinese
http://netscientia.com/chinese_hindu.html

So you see...everything about spaceflight and planets had already been told, and preceeded the Quran by some 5-6000 years.

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As a teenager, I found the (then brand-new) Chariots of the Gods stuff from Von Daniken completely convincing. I don't recall him pointing all this stuff out. Too Judeo-Christian-centric, I guess!


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Almost forgot, both posters put in a lot of work on this, as Mike pointed out.


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God did send many apostles; not all of them have been mentioned in the Quran; because they are so many. God – be exalted – said in the Quran 4: 164
وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمًا
The explanation: (And messengers We mentioned to you [Mohammed] before and messengers We have not mentioned to you – But Moses did God speak to with a [hearable] speech.)

God, in fact, sent into every nation an apostle to teach them to serve God alone: this is the First Commandment. God – be exalted – said in the Quran 16: 36
وَلَقَدْ بَعَثْنَا فِي كُلِّ أُمَّةٍ رَّسُولاً أَنِ اعْبُدُواْ اللّهَ وَاجْتَنِبُواْ الطَّاغُوتَ
The explanation: (We did send into every nation an apostle [proclaiming]: "[O people] serve God [alone], and avoid [following] the arrogant." So some of them God did guide, but others had the straying incumbent on him.)

Each one of those apostles spoke the language of his people, and he being one of them. God – be glorified – said in the Quran 14: 4
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلاَّ بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ
The explanation: (We did not send any messenger [before you, O Mohammed] but [to teach] in the language of his [own] people, in order to explain to them.)

But all the apostles invited people to the One God: that is to serve none but God, and to abandon the idolatry and the associating with God, which is considered a betrayal and fornication, according to the Torah [included in the Old Testament] and the Quran. God – be glorified – said in the Quran 21: 25
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ
The explanation: (We never sent any messenger [to his people] before you [Mohammed], unless We revealed to him [saying]: "There is no god [in the universe] but I [: God]; so [O people] serve Me [alone.]")

The Quran came to confirm the past heavenly books: the Torah including the Books of the Prophets, the Psalms and the Gospel; the Quran did not come to contradict them; we believe not only in the first five books of Moses, but in the book of Abraham before him (a part of which may be copied in the Book of Genesis.) We believe also in the Psalms of David, and the Books of the Prophets, as do we believe in the Gospel revealed to Jesus. God – be exalted – said in the Quran 2: 136
قُولُواْ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَمَا أُوتِيَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ
The explanation: (Say [O Muslims]: 'We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, the Tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.)

None can say that Moses, who came after Abraham, forged the Torah, taking it from Abraham. Neither may one say that Jesus, coming after Moses, forged the Gospel according to the books before him. Nor should one say that Mohammed, coming after all these, forged the Quran according to the past books. When in fact the One That sent all of them is the same One God.

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And this has to do with Science how? I think you should consider posting your ramblings to a more religious venue. This forum is intended for discussions of Scientific merit.


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The Quran is a false document from a false religion. I do believe that the prophet Muhammad did pray in the caves near Bagdad for three years and came out with a document of his prayers which was 12 lines long. He did not actually write the document because Muhammad was illiterate, but some of his followers did, and I believe those 12 lines were honest answers to his prayers, but after his death the so called leaders of Islam found that their twelve lines of instructions did not help in all problems of running a society so instead of referring to their other Prophet Jesus, they reverted back to the very laws and traditions which Muhammad freed them from and those were the Code of Hammurabi and the Mesopotamian traditions. All the other stuff they added to the Quran is superfluous, and for the religion to become true again it needs to reform by eliminating all of that extra stuff. I think the leaders may have actually looked to Christ for answers but when they found lessons telling them that God and Government should be separate, then they probably reverted back to their old laws and traditions.

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Originally Posted By: Amaranth Rose II
And this has to do with Science how? I think you should consider posting your ramblings to a more religious venue. This forum is intended for discussions of Scientific merit.


My reply was to a man who said: he finds something similar in the past nations.
So I said that the Quran confirms the Torah and the Gospel and does not contradict them; and that God had sent a large number of apostles to many many nations, but their messages might have been altered by time. Therefore, it is not strange that we find some similarities because the Sender is the same One God.

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Rallem said:"prophet Muhammad did pray in the caves near Bagdad for three years"

I say: Baghdad was built about 140 years following the death of Prophet Mohammed. But the "three years"; I don't know from where you obtained such valuable informations?
Can you lead us to the source of your informations, or are you speaking of your own accord?
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Rallem wrote:

"The Quran is a false document from a false religion."

And it differs from the Bible in exactly what way?

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I will be glad to. The college text books I used at Champlain College are the primary source of my knowledge, and the actual titles will have to wait until I get home. I will try to remember to reply tonight with this information, but I cannot make any promises.

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The texts are Traditions & Encounters, a global perspective of the past by Bentley and Ziegler, and History. Major Themes in Western Civilization by Scudder. The author of the second text was my professor and he wrote it to compliment the first text.

and to answer terrytnewzealand: The major differences are that for the most part the new testament is Christs lessons pruned to ommit anti-church lessons like when Christ said to be with God you do not have to visit his house, but have him in your heart, or something similar, and the Quran still has the twelve original lines of the Quran, but they have been buried by thousands of lines from the Code of Hammurabi, Mesopotamian culture, and a modified form of the Torah to make it look like the Arabs as the rightful descendants of Abraham.

I will try to find the pages for you with their quotes.

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There are problems here. Christ's teachings in thehe New Testament are based on beliefs in the Old testament. This too has "been buried by thousands of lines from the Code of Hammurabi, Mesopotamian culture". As for abraham, is there any evidence at all that he represents just a single individual? If he was just one person when did he live? Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all based on the same Mesopotamian, egyptian, Zoroastrian and ancient Hittite myths. Myths nevertheless.

Besides you admit that the New Testament has been "pruned to ommit anti-church lessons". Ah! Pruned to produce a religion compatible with the one Constantine was keen to promote?

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Originally Posted By: terrytnewzealand
There are problems here. Christ's teachings in thehe New Testament are based on beliefs in the Old testament. This too has "been buried by thousands of lines from the Code of Hammurabi, Mesopotamian culture". As for abraham, is there any evidence at all that he represents just a single individual? If he was just one person when did he live? Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all based on the same Mesopotamian, egyptian, Zoroastrian and ancient Hittite myths. Myths nevertheless.

Besides you admit that the New Testament has been "pruned to ommit anti-church lessons". Ah! Pruned to produce a religion compatible with the one Constantine was keen to promote?


I don't understand your reasoning on saying that Christ's teachings were based on the Old Testament, (which is the torah) when nothing could be further from the truth. Christ's lessons were revolutionary when compared to the Old Testament, like turning a cheek instead of an eye for an eye. Also to say the torah or Old Testament is also corrupted by the code of Hammurabi and Mesopotamian culture is messed up. The code of Hammurabi and Mesopotamian culture was prevalent in Mesopotamia, not in the lands of the Hasidic peoples or of the Egyptians where many of the Jews were kept as slaves.

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Hey Rallem. If Christ's teachings are not based on the Old Testament why is it included in the Bible, and why do people who claim to be Christian quote from it so often? I don't know I'd say the Torah is "corrupted by the code of Hammurabi and Mesopotamian culture". Based upon, yes. The Yisre'el Valley lies on trade routes between Mesopotamia and Egypt. As a result both had a huge influence on the religion that developed in the region. You can find evidence everywhere in the pages of the Old Testament. Nothing exeptional about the Torah, developed the same way all our beliefs do. There's even a thread on the subject on SAGG. And what evidence do you have, apart from their own legends, that the Jews escaped from Egypt at some time?

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Originally Posted By: terrytnewzealand
Hey Rallem. If Christ's teachings are not based on the Old Testament why is it included in the Bible, and why do people who claim to be Christian quote from it so often? I don't know I'd say the Torah is "corrupted by the code of Hammurabi and Mesopotamian culture". Based upon, yes. The Yisre'el Valley lies on trade routes between Mesopotamia and Egypt. As a result both had a huge influence on the religion that developed in the region. You can find evidence everywhere in the pages of the Old Testament. Nothing exeptional about the Torah, developed the same way all our beliefs do. There's even a thread on the subject on SAGG. And what evidence do you have, apart from their own legends, that the Jews escaped from Egypt at some time?


I think that is why we have an old testament and a new testament. The old testament being the torah and the new being the book you refer to as the bible. If Christ's treachings were based on the torah, then a prophet wouldn't have been needed since the religion was already being practiced. I'll come back to this after I get more sleep. brb

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So the Old Testament is totally irrelevant to Christianity? I've been suffering a delusion. Next time I hear a Christian quoting it I can safely tell them they are deluded as well.

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Oh Terry,
I don't really think you are capable of understanding what I say or you simply choose not to so from now on I am going to ignore you.

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A prophet will be needed whenever people completely work against the First Commandment: that God is One, and No god but God.
In case there isn't any group practicing the First Commandment which pertains to God, and is the central axis of all the heavenly religions; then an apostle is needed to correct the situation that indicates the total corruption of the base of the religion and the teaching of all prophets and apostles.
Examples:
- to seek God's help in various situations is one of the ways the First Commanment is applied; to ask the help of others whether the Christ, Moses, Mohammed, Ali and others is an associating those with God against the First Commandment.
- to ask your needs from God alone is correct, but to ask your needs from others like Jesus or his mother, or Prohet Mohammed or Ali or Prphet Moses or others is a kind of associating those with God - be glorified.
- to erect statues of Jesus, his mother and pictures of Mohammed or Ali and his sons is contrary to the First Commandment. This will be an idolatry; as such the idolatry develped: the idols were symbols of holy men, may be prophets or righteous men; after they died their people started to sanctify them and attribute to them the attributes of God- be exalted.
- to spend money to the poor and needy for God's sake is along with the First Commandment, but spending for the sake of ohters is a sort of association with God, contrary to the First Commandment.
And so on the First Commandment is applied to various aspects of life; to make the submission pure and complete to God Almight Most Gracious alone without any associate.

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