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#202 - 11/02/04 07:28 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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kit,

If NASA "scientists" had any brains, they would retrace the rover path now, and would checked out all the provocative things discovered on the pictures already taken.
To get again to the same area will probably take many years, when most of the issues would have been already clarified. cool

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#203 - 11/02/04 07:39 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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That's not a real problem if they believe that sending people on Mars will be much better than sending expensive and sophisticated robots up there. It's just a question of a few years. Space dust should not cover it is so short time elapsed.

Human decision on a field session can't be computered. When you collect stones, you can turn upside down and choose the best specimen, releasing the bad ones. I think for fossils, the best is the human.

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#204 - 11/02/04 08:00 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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-- That's not a real problem if they believe that sending people on Mars will be much better than sending expensive and sophisticated robots up there. --

NASA has shown uncapable of doing any science, beyond space flight with mistakes. They probably will kill a bunch of people, and when on Mars, they will not be able to figure out a thing, because wrong astronauts were selected.

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#205 - 11/03/04 12:28 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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There is definitely life on Mars. The over-zealous attempt to use these pictures for purposes of instant gratification hurt the cause of those interested in reality rather than fantasy.
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#206 - 11/03/04 12:53 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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DA,

I have discovered a lot of interesting things, while you are badmouthing whatever is being done.

You are nothing and nobody in my book. Zero.

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#207 - 11/03/04 01:08 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Extrasense:
As Moderator I'm going to have to ask you to refrain from making inflammatory and antagonistic remarks of this nature.

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#208 - 11/03/04 06:40 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Awesome :p ES, what do you mean by Nasa will not send the right person up there ? There are plenty geologist and paleontologists who are physically able to become proud astronauts for Mars investigations. Perhaps, you are telling us that they will send a confirmed mechanician+pilot+McGyver+lucky but won't be able to make the difference between a stone and a pebble.

Elaborate please.

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#209 - 11/03/04 07:13 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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NASA is being permanently investigated by comissions, and all reports come up with that its management is the worst possible. All the wrong decisions you can think of will be made, no doubt about it in my mind.
Nasa never was a scientific entity, never had scientists in management, and so forth.

As to the cost of sending an intelligent robot on Mars, it would be initially about $500mil per flight, probably 10 times less than sending a bunch of stupid human beings over there.

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#210 - 11/03/04 07:28 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Honestly, I didn't know that Nasa administration was not a scientific based corporation.

Concerning intelligent robots, I've heard the electromagnetic transmissions between the surface of Mars and Earth are too long to allows any kind of interactive driving of these robots. They will be confined to choose a stone showing superficially some predefined features. Even if it's 10 times less expensive, 20 successive robotised missions will not bring more than rubbish if there is no human decision behind to work in backplan to the choice decision level.

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#211 - 11/03/04 09:44 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Concerning intelligent robots, here how it works.

Robots/rovers/ already do movement and photography autonomously.

They can preselect objects, and check with Earth what to do with them. You might be the one to make decisions. wink

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#212 - 11/03/04 10:58 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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How frustrating method. What happens if the stone is too much heavy to be transported close to the departure module and cannot be shipped ?

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#213 - 11/03/04 01:05 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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This is only for starters, pretty soon those robots will be smarter than we are cool

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#214 - 11/03/04 03:45 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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ES, I don't question the technological point of vue but whatever "clever" are the robots, I feel that you can't really substitute a short angle camera view by a direct wide angle vision at human size to pick up one stone better than others. I can't believe machines (even human drived) able to do that as well as one geologist AND be performant at the same time.

Who knows. The only robot I have is my kitchen microwave furnace.

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#215 - 11/03/04 08:28 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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-- I can't believe machines --

Machines do not lie :p

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#216 - 11/13/04 01:08 AM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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The first communists, I guess Lenin or something, couldn't figure out a way to work their economy without currency. So they invented tokens or something like that. In any event, these tokens looked alot like coins, etc. So communism is still a possibility.
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#217 - 11/13/04 03:03 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Spiro:
The first communists,... invented tokens or something like that
Are not you inventing someting? May be tokens for mars subway?

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#218 - 11/13/04 03:05 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Spiro:
The first communists,--invented tokens or something like that.
Subway tokens?

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#219 - 11/15/04 04:22 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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ES, just curious, is there any public forum where you have not posted something concerning life on Mars ?

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#220 - 11/16/04 03:13 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Let me know if you should find one wink

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#221 - 11/16/04 06:13 PM Re: No Communism on Mars!
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Kit_kat ... any conclusions about life drawn from these pictures is ample evidence of the lack of intelligent life on earth.
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