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The recent retreat of Arctic sea ice is likely to accelerate so rapidly that the Arctic Ocean could become nearly devoid of ice during summertime as early as 2040, according to new research published in the December 12 issue of Geophysical Research Letters.

The study, by a team of scientists from the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), the University of Washington, and McGill University, analyzes the impact of greenhouse gas emissions on the Arctic. Scenarios run on supercomputers show that the extent of sea ice each September could be reduced so abruptly that, within about 20 years, it may begin retreating four times faster than at any time in the observed record.

"We have already witnessed major losses in sea ice, but our research suggests that the decrease over the next few decades could be far more dramatic than anything that has happened so far," says NCAR scientist Marika Holland, the study's lead author. "These changes are surprisingly rapid."

The full story:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/12/061212091828.htm

Has anyone noticed how day-after-day-after-day we see credible research results from multiple organizations in multiple countries expanding gthe basis for concern about climate change ... and not a single item indicating the contrary.

The only thing moving at a glacial pace these days is governments.


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I saw the report on BBC World News and they had a graphic of the sea ice fluctuating and disappearing over the next 40 years. The graphic was a polar view of the globe and all the continents were in black.

Greenland was also in black. I understand why, as the study was not about Greenland; but still I can't help but wonder if Greenland won't be far behind whatever the polar cap does (if not preceeding the cap) as well as Antarctica.

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Greenland is melting at an incredible rate.

I can't say, from what I've read, which will go first but I suspect the arctic ice will be gone before all of Greenland is dirt.

What matters more is how much fresh water is required to stop the mid-Atlantic conveyor. We just don't know.


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on my trip to NZ, I found the glaciers to be melting at alarming rates as well. Apart from the last 25 years where they have increased in size, they have constantly been decreasing since the mid 1700s. Shown here: http://gustofhotair.blogspot.com/2006/12/glaciers-are-growing-in-new-zealand.html

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Has anyone noticed how day-after-day-after-day we see credible research results from multiple organizations in multiple countries expanding gthe basis for concern about climate change ... and not a single item indicating the contrary.
Actually no,

According to a new paper by Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) which was presented in the peer-received journal of Environmental Geology, they show that

[a]one percent increase in current solar radiation reaching the Earth?s body translates directly into approximately 0.86 K increase in the Earth?s global temperature.

They continue to show that the earth?s orbit about the sun changes over long periods of time resulting in up to 7.5?C modulation of the earth?s temperature and conclude that

The scope and extent of these processes are 4?5 orders of magnitude greater than the corresponding anthropogenic impacts on the Earth?s climate (such as heating and emission of the greenhouse gases).

And

the global warming observed during the latest 150 years is just a short episode in the geologic history. The current global warming is most likely a combined effect of increased solar and tectonic activities and cannot be attributed to the increased anthropogenic impact on the atmosphere. Humans may be responsible for less than 0.01?C (of approximately 0.56?C (1?F) total average atmospheric heating during the last century)

as far as what we should do about it, the conclude that:

Any attempts to mitigate undesirable climatic changes using restrictive regulations are condemned to failure, because the global natural forces are at least 4?5 orders of magnitude greater than available human controls.

And on Kyoto:

Thus, the Kyoto Protocol is a good example of how to achieve the minimum results with the maximum efforts (and sacrifices). Impact of available human controls will be negligible in comparison with the global forces of nature. Thus, the attempts to alter the occurring global climatic changes (and drastic measures prescribed by the Kyoto Protocol) have to be abandoned as meaningless and harmful

Wow, amazing. In such a stringent peer-reviewed scientific journal as well.

http://gustofhotair.blogspot.com/2006/12/humans-responsible-for-150th-of-recent.html

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According to a new paper by Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) which was presented in the peer-received journal of Environmental Geology, they show that
Here's the abstract of that article.

Abstract:?The authors identify and describe the following global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate: (1) solar radiation as a dominant external energy supplier to the Earth, (2) outgassing as a major supplier of gases to the World Ocean and the atmosphere, and, possibly, (3) microbial activities generating and consuming atmospheric gases at the interface of lithosphere and atmosphere. The writers provide quantitative estimates of the scope and extent of their corresponding effects on the Earth's climate. Quantitative comparison of the scope and extent of the forces of nature and anthropogenic influences on the Earth's climate is especially important at the time of broad-scale public debates on current global warming. The writers show that the human-induced climatic changes are negligible.
Title:?On global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate. Are humans involved?
Author(s):?Khilyuk LF (Khilyuk, L. F.), Chilingar GV (Chilingar, G. V.)
Source:?ENVIRONMENTAL GEOLOGY 50 (6): 899-910 AUG 2006

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P.S. ...and here is the first citation I could find for this author(s?).
Title:?INTERRELATIONSHIPS AMONG SUBSIDENCE OWING TO FLUID WITHDRAWAL, GAS MIGRATION TO THE SURFACE AND SEISMIC ACTIVITY ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF OIL PRODUCTION IN SEISMICALLY ACTIVE AREAS
Author(s):?KATZ S, KHILYUK L, CHILINGARIAN GV
Source:?JOURNAL OF PETROLEUM SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING 11 (2): 103-112 JUN 1994
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That paper completely ignores the physics of the greenhouse effect. What they do to use only the geological record and try to deduce everything from that.

Can you deduce Newton's law of gravity from the geological record? I mean, the fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun is of crucial importance. But if we had some magical power that was weaking the force of gravity and Earth was drifting away from the Sun, then you wouldn't be able to prove to people who don't believe in what was going on by only using the geological record.

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I've been looking for work that used this tact of summing all the forcers and looking at the % of anthro-contribution. I don't think this paper does a very comprehensive job though, just judging from the abstract.

"(2) outgassing as a major supplier of gases," is an interesting way to think of our contributions (as in 'volcano equivalent').

"(3) microbial activities generating and consuming atmospheric gases at the interface of lithosphere and atmosphere." Lithosphere? Are they adding in ocean/atmosphere too? Guess I need to do some reading.

Speaking of microbial activities (and to get more back on topic):

Abstract: (partial)
From a synthesis of recent oceanic observations and paleo-data it is evident that certain species of giant diatoms including Rhizosolenia spp. Thalassiothrix spp. and Ethmodiscus rex may become concentrated at oceanic frontal zones and subsequently form episodes of mass flux to the sediment. Within the nutrient bearing waters advecting towards frontal boundaries, these species are generally not dominant, but they appear selectively segregated at fronts, and thus may dominate the export flux. Ancient Thalassiothrix diatom mat deposits in the eastern equatorial Pacific and beneath the Polar Front in the Southern Ocean record the highest open ocean sedimentation rates ever documented and represent vast sinks of silica and carbon.
Thus in oceanic regions and/or at times prone to enhanced surface water stratification (e.g., during meltwater pulses) they provide a mechanism for generating substantial biomass at depth and its subsequent export with concomitant implications for Si export and C drawdown.
An improved insight into these key species will be an important prerequisite for enhancing our understanding of marine biogeochemical cycling and for assessing the impacts of climate change on ocean export production.
GLOBAL BIOGEOCHEMICAL CYCLES, VOL. 20, GB4S04, doi:10.1029/2006GB002698, 2006
Production of giant marine diatoms and their export at oceanic frontal zones: Implications for Si and C flux from stratified oceans

*_*

Something to look forward to (along with the subsequent hypoxias)as melting increases.

Eeeek! Run for your lives! It's Giant Marine Diatoms!

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JonathanLowe. In your site you mention:

"Depending on how quickly the snow falls up the top and the temperature down the bottom defines if the glacier increased in length or not."

So it is probably actually the temperature difference between the top and the foot of a particular glacier that is important. Warmer sea temperature should mean more evaporation. This would lead to more precipitation in the form of snow at the head. We may finish up with the odd position that increased temperature leads to glacial expansion.

Incidentally I visited the glaciers in the early 70s. Unspectacular they certainly were. Haven't seen them since but they seem to expand and contract. They probably have not simply been contracting since the end of the most recent ice age. Earlier terminuses would be obliterated by the next expansion and so no record would be available.

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hmm good response terrytnewzealand, sorry count, but your's isn't.

You might well be right in regards to increased temps result in increased glaciers, if in fact the level of increase in snow outweighs the increase temp at the bottom. However, I dont think this would be the case. If the world is increasing in temperature, irrespective of the altitude, one would expect increased snow melting not only at the bottom of the glaciers but also at the top.

For example, if the world (or NZ) has increased by say, 0.5 degrees. Shouldn't the rate of snow/ice melt at the bottom be equivalent to the amount at the top?

The things I have read about these glaciers, is that there is a general decreasing in length atribute, despite the last 30 years, however they don't think this will continue. Not sure why, but I guess, the last 30 yeas in relation to the last 200 to 600 is why.

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Yes, I know it's just not helpful to prove that what you are doing is making propaganda.

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In a recent paper, Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) promote their view that the human influence on climate is negligible compared to natural forces driving the Earth?s climate. They conclude from this opinion that measures to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, such as defined by the Kyoto Protocol, are merely a waste of money. The scope of the paper is very broad, covering topics such as the Earth?s radiation balance, the influence of changing orbital parameters on insolation, the entire history of the Earth?s degassing and the composition of the atmosphere, the internal heat sources of the Earth, the role of the ocean and microbial activities in the climate system, and the temperature history of the last millennia. The hypotheses put forward by Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) on these topics are not only unusual, but unfortunately in many points misleading, inconsistent, or even plainly wrong, as will be shown in the following. At the very least, the authors fail to adequately represent the large body of ?conventional? literature in the different fields.

Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) state that based on their ?adiabatic model of heat transfer in the atmosphere? the entire energy generated by humans could heat the atmosphere by no more than 0.01?C. This may be true but is irrelevant, since no serious scientist ever claimed that global warming is due to direct heating of the atmosphere, but to an enhancement of the greenhouse effect, which the paper does not discuss.

Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) claim that ?changes in the global atmospheric temperature are closely correlated with the changes in solar activity?, illustrated by curves of temperature and solar magnetic cycle length in their Fig. 1. This figure is identical to Fig. 6 in a former paper by the same authors in this journal (Khilyuk and Chilingar 2004) and unfortunately is not further explained (which temperature record is used, how is the cycle length related to solar activity?). Worse, however, only a document from two strangely cited websites (Robinson et al. 1998) is given as source of this figure, although there are well-known original publications on the hypothesis that the solar magnetic cycle length is linked to climate (Friis-Christensen and Lassen 1991; Lassen and Friis-Christensen 1995). As the original sources are not cited, it is no surprise that a later rebuttal of this hypothesis (Laut 2003) is not mentioned.

In their discussion of the influence of the orbital parameters on insolation, Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) state correctly that Earth?s insolation differs by about 6% between aphelion and perihelion. However, these variations of insolation during the course of the year are practically irrelevant for the annual mean insolation. On interannual time scales, it is not correct to say that ?the variations in the global average Earth?s insolation attributed to the planet?s orbital deviations can reach up to 10% of the long-term average radiation level?. Of the orbital parameters, only the eccentricity variations change the net annual irradiance of the Earth, but merely by about 0.2% over a 100 kyr period (Saltzman 2002). Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) apparently confound the ∼10% variations of the northern summer insolation over the past 500 kyr shown in their Fig. 2 with variations of the global mean insolation. Such variations of the global mean insolation would of course immediately explain the ice age cycles by a simple radiation balance, similar to the calculations in the paper. Yet, the point of the orbital theory of the ice ages is that variations in the latitudinal distribution of the insolation can cause large climate changes even as the annual global mean insolation remains constant (Saltzman 2002). Thus, the calculations of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) on the temperature response to changes of the orbital parameters and the conclusion that the recent global warming is insignificant in comparison are misleading.

Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) present a theory that links the Earth?s outgassing rate to the rate of sea floor spreading. This theory is used to explain the recent increase of methane in the atmosphere by ?a high level of current tectonic activity?. Unfortunately, the only evidence cited for this high activity is a paper in Russian (Yasamanov 2003) that is virtually inaccessible to most readers of Environmental Geology. Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) completely ignore the large body of literature on the sources and sinks of methane. A short review of the current knowledge about the methane balance has recently been given by Lowe (2006) in the context of the surprising finding of a methane source from plants (Keppler et al. 2006). Interestingly, the tectonic methane source that Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) refer to is about ten times larger than the total of the identified sources listed by Lowe (2006).

A highlight of the outgassing theory of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) is their comparison of the total anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission of 1.003 ? 1018 g with the hypothesized total mass of CO2 degassed from the mantle throughout geologic history of 4.63 ? 1023 g. This is used to declare that the total anthropogenic CO2 emission ?constitutes less than 0.00022% of the total CO2 amount naturally degassed from the mantle during geologic history? and conclude that ?the anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission is negligible (indistinguishable) in any energy-matter transformation processes changing the Earth?s climate?. It seems that the authors forgot to take the time factor into account. The anthropogenic emission happened during 200 years, whereas the natural degassing during geologic history spanned 4.5 billion years. Thus, the above numbers yield a yearly anthropogenic flux that is about 50 times larger than the mantle degassing flux, which hardly is negligible. It appears that the authors assume that the 4.63 ? 1023 g of CO2 degassed from the mantle all remained in the atmosphere. Yet, the present day atmosphere contains less than 3 ? 1018 g of CO2, and compared to this number the total anthropogenic CO2 emission of 1 ? 1018 g certainly is significant.

Another interesting explanation by Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) is the following: ?When the global temperature rises, the solubility of the carbon dioxide in the ocean water decreases, and part of the carbon dioxide content of the ocean water is transferred into the atmosphere, creating an illusion that the increased concentration of the carbon dioxide heating the atmosphere is a result of anthropogenic activity.? While it is true that the solubility of CO2 decreases as the surface ocean warms, Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) ignore once again the state-of-the-art literature, which shows that the ocean actually acts as a sink for CO2 and warming of the ocean only decreases the oceanic CO2 uptake, rather than leading to CO2 release to the atmosphere (e.g., Sabine et al. 2004; Sarmiento et al. 1998).

The paper of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) contains several more unconventional theories, e.g., the twice repeated hypothesis that in 0.6 Gyr ?endogenic oxygen? will degas from the Earth?s core, increase the atmospheric pressure to 40 atm and the global temperature to over 80?C, or the hypothesis that the main internal heat source of the Earth is not radioactivity but ?gravitational matter differentiation?. All these hypotheses are not well substantiated either by original arguments or by credible references. One of the weaknesses of the paper is that much of the cited literature is in Russian, thus not easily accessible, or refers to websites, some of them as dubious as http://www.junkscience.com. If the authors think that theories of anthropogenic global warming are junk science, they should themselves adhere to higher scientific standards, e.g., by citing the relevant literature in the fields they cover, but they fail to do so. Some of their major conclusions are simply unsupported allegations, e.g., when they claim that ?the major causes of currently observed global warming are: rising solar irradiation and increasing tectonic activity?.

Another example for the failure of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) to substantiate their claims and to refer to the state-of-the-art literature is their Fig. 11, showing a simplified picture of the global temperature curve of the past 1,000 years. Based on an article in the Bulletin of the American Association of Petroleum Geology, this figure shows the medieval warm period at +2?C and the little ice age at −1?C relative to the present. It certainly is not a fair representation of the intense recent debate about the global (or rather: northern hemisphere) temperature evolution over the past millennium. One might expect that the authors would refer to the famous ?hockey stick? curve of Mann et al. (1998), which has been a major target of the criticism of climate change skeptics in recent years. Or to the latest attempt to reconstruct such a curve presented by Moberg et al. (2005), or other studies as summarized by Briffa and Osborn (2002). None of all these important papers are cited by Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006), instead it is claimed that ?the global average temperature dropped about 2?C over the last millennium?, which is squarely at odds with the findings of all these studies.

It is astonishing that the paper of Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006) (as well as Khilyuk and Chilingar 2004, for that matter) could pass the review process of a seemingly serious journal such as Environmental Geology. Such failures of this process, which is supposed to guarantee the quality of published literature, are likely to damage the reputation of this journal.



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JLowe asks:
"For example, if the world (or NZ) has increased by say, 0.5 degrees. Shouldn't the rate of snow/ice melt at the bottom be equivalent to the amount at the top?"

No! Climate is complex and can not be explained or understood with such simplistic assumptions.


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