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#16150 08/16/06 11:07 PM
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what are all the facts about black holes

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www.google.com or visit a library or bookstore.


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Mr. Woo:

Like the invisible man!

1. We can not see them.
2. We surmise their presence by their apparel.
3. We conclude, by logic, that they are where we think they are by their method of hiding.

I hope that helps!
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the gravity of a black hole is so strong that even the facts about them cannot escape !!!


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Some more information please?


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Based on what Paul wrote we don't have any.

But Paul is incorrect and you will find a lot of information if you use google.


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thats not exactly true DA and you know it.

if there were facts inside of a black the facts could not escape , right?

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facts are knowledge, knowledge is not limited by phyiscal limitations. gravity could not hold them.


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To the best of our knowledge there is nothing inside of a black hole: Absolutely nothing.

Black holes, the astrophyiscal object, intersect with information theory in a very interesting way.

Check out these link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_in_thermodynamics_and_information_theory
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0311049 (just the abstract)
http://www.answers.com/topic/black-hole-information-paradox

The critical thing here is that the total amount of information a black hole can contain is defined by not its volume but its surface area. A bit counter-intuitive for humans. So if the surface contains ALL of the possible information ... there is no inside.

Sorry dehammer but your "logical thinking" breaks down inside of a black hole.


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DA....

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To the best of our knowledge there is nothing inside of a black hole: Absolutely nothing.
"(our knowledge)" how many people are you today?
or is it that you speak for the entire science community/religion.

science teaches that a black hole is due to gravity , and it teaches that gravity is due to the density of matter.

and it teaches that it is the density of matter inside a black hole that causes the black hole to appear as if there is nothing there due to its gravity being so great that nothing can escape
not even light.

I can only presume that science is only guessing because it has never explored a black hole.

so the teachings of science concerning black holes are not factual they are presumtions.

How many other teachings of science are presumptions?

what causes gravity in your world?
is it something or is it nothing?
you contradict yourself every time you write something , its almost as if you have mpd.

perhaps you were being truthfull when you wrote the following.
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To the best of our knowledge there is nothing inside of a black hole: Absolutely nothing.
because it is a very true statement.
the reason you dont know is because you havent explored one.

dehammer...

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facts are knowledge, knowledge is not limited by phyiscal limitations. gravity could not hold them.
dehammer , some peoples brains are so dense that it acts as a black hole and refuses to allow knowlege to escape.

if you and all of your knowledge were inside a black hole could any of your knowledge escape?


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Sorry dehammer but your "logical thinking" breaks down inside of a black hole.
I believe it would be more like he would be sucked in and he would surpass the speed of light as he traveled towards the center of the mass , as he traveled he would become elongated , something like an extreamely long piece of spagetti , then he would become a part of the mass , his thoughts would never have time to escape not even time to try and let out a scream.


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"it teaches that gravity is due to the density of matter"

No it doesn't.

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Paul I'd have responded to each of your points except that IFF summed it up best with respect to just one of your points.

What you have written may have a lot to do with what you think of black holes but it has nothing to do with what science thinks about black holes.

I provided links ... I can't make you read them ... and I am not obligated to provide you with an understanding of what you read.


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the thing about black holes is that there is knowledge that can be gained from them. since knowledge is not matter or energy, they cant be contained by a black hole. If I were to be swept into a black hole, i would not have a head to have a brain in it, let alone any knowledge for it to hold. the knowledge that is in there is the evidence of what it is. that is something that gravity cant control.

DA, of everyone here you should have recongized the whimsy of what i said.


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Paul I'd have responded to each of your points except that IFF summed it up best with respect to just one of your points.
I said that gravity was due to the density of matter.

he said

NO it DOESNT.

you said

there is nothing inside a black hole.

so are you saying now that there is something inside a black hole.
or are you just agreeing with someone who doesnt agree with me?
is it mpd or just your choice of who you want to be.

I'll admit that it isnt the density of matter that causes gravity , it is just matter that causes gravity.

this was not a trap , it just turned out that way.


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there is some evidence, that what is inside a black hole is no longer matter. this is because even if you take all the space out of the atoms, the amount of space the matterial would take up is more than the black holes have. theortically the atoms would have been converted to energy or something beyound energy.


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thanks for the old news dehammer...

it is energy that spews out of a black hole.

if nothing is in a black hole then how did the energy leave it?

this is nothing new.


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actually the energy did not leave from the inside, it left from the shell that is the material and energy that is falling into it. Everything that leaves is from the region just beyound the point where gravity is too high for it to escape.


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As we get more observations of GRBs and X-ray flashes like these our understanding of Black hole evolution should get nailed down:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v442/n7106/edsumm/e060831-08.html


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Quote:
Originally posted by erich knight:
As we get more observations of GRBs and X-ray flashes like these our understanding of Black hole evolution should get nailed down:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v442/n7106/edsumm/e060831-08.html
Interesting article Erich, thanks.
I suspect that every Black Hole might contain a magnetic Monopole . That elusive dense point particle. Never been found, but theory says they should exist. Were there to be a 'loose one flying around' it would bury itself deep within our Earth, or other large planetary body.
Therefore, how much more likely would one, or more, be residing within a Black hole?
Just a thought smile


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