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The Bible talks about dinosaurs. In Job 39-41, God talks about the behemoth and the leviathan. THey behemoth is some type of sauropod and the leviathan is some sort of aquatic dinosaur. After the Flood, most of the dinosaurs became exinct because of the difference in atmosphere from the pre-flood. But some lived longer and became extinct later; Job lived about the time of Abraham, about 1500 B.C. In Texas, there was found a dinosaur footprint with a human footprint inside of it on the same level of rock. There have been found in caves drawings of dinosaurs. So the Bible is scientifically correct.

"THey behemoth is some type of sauropod and the leviathan is some sort of aquatic dinosaur."

No reason at all for believing this. Humans did not live at the time of the dinosaurs. There is nothing in the bible that indicates this.

"After the Flood, most of the dinosaurs became exinct because of the difference in atmosphere from the pre-flood."

The dinosaurs died out tens of millions of years before humans existed.

"In Texas, there was found a dinosaur footprint with a human footprint inside of it on the same level of rock."
No there wasn't. Some incompetent creationists with no background in the subject have made this claim. Real scientists have evalutated it and concluded otherwise. The creationists say that the human footprint was caused by a deformed human. But actual scientists know that the other footprint is also a dinosaur. Dr. Bob Slaughter of Southern Methodist University discussed this on a NOVA episode. Paluxy is a creationist hoax.

"There have been found in caves drawings of dinosaurs."
There are claims like this, but no such pictures have been confirmed by actual scientists. The existence of dinosaurs alongside humans would not necessarily disprove evolution; however, a human fossil that dated to 65 million year ago would pretty much be a nail in the coffin.

" So the Bible is scientifically correct."
That's what your preacher told you. If you do a little actual homework, you will realize that you have been misled. When you finally find do real homework, you should be rightfully outraged that you have been lied to by preachers and other creationists.

some scientist believe that galaxies appear suddenly
, in an instant they are there.

this finding , if true proves that science is in-correct , at least as far as its usage of its laws that they believe governs things.

if stars are light years away from each other then how long would it take for a new galaxy to form , and for the stars to move out and become possitioned where they are?

I honestly dont think that it would take GOD long at all to do something he wanted to do.
and all it would take would be for GOD to make a decission for it to happen.

when I think of how to do something or how to build something I dont first consult the laws of physics to find out if I could do it , I just try to do it.

and then I do it , or I find out how to do it.

if you were driving your car and you came up to a red light and the light was stuck on red , would you stay there till the light became green , or would you break the law and run the red light?

man has tried to govern and run everything in his favor and look at the results from it.

if you are interested in my opinion the bible is far more correct than science can ever hope to be.

if the people who were the story tellers varried in their teachings as they were taught they would meet a certain demise for doing so.
when a teacher or story teller told history he made sure it was correct.

these stories were passed down through the ages by teachers or story tellers until they were written down.

it was not until the romans came along and changed the wording in their favor that these stories changed.

"some scientist believe that galaxies appear suddenly, in an instant they are there."

No there aren't.

ok please explain why there are galaxies so far away that it takes their light many billions of years to reach earth. Why have them there at all if we need equipment to see them that is only made to find them. why have such a huge universe if it were all made for man a few thousand years ago and with the knowledge that he would never reach another galaxy. We only seek the knowledge of those galaxies because we have found there is knowledge there to be found. If that knowledge is contrary to what god wants us to learn, why have it there at all.

Thank you Tim for the wonderful, though weak, attempt at humor. For awhile there I thought you actually were a true believer.

But after reading this I understand that you just have a weird sense of humor. No one could possibly take this seriously.

Dehammer,

Your question is very simplistic and could be satisfactoriy answered in a few different ways.

But I won't, because I don't believe in the premise of a young age universe.

Blacknad.

would you prefer to have only this solar system to look at?

or just the sun and moon?

when you do look at what is there dont it just make you feel so small.

do you realize that everything you see in the night sky may not even be there anymore?

do you ever feel as if one little poof in the right place and you would be space vapor.

man has cognitive powers , he can reason right from wrong , he also has curosity , and a need to know things.

how many other species of life on this planet have you ever talked to while they were reading a book or driving a car or riding a bicycle.

what makes you different from them?
how did you get that way?
why is your species the only species like you
on this planet?

where is it said that everything was made a few thousand years ago?

you have discovered what GOD put there for you to discover you found nothing you may have seen something that has always been there and that is all you have done.

"would you prefer to have only this solar system to look at?"

Then entire universe built just for us to have something to look at. Well, that makes as much sense as anything else you've postulated.

"you have discovered what GOD put there for you to discover you found nothing you may have seen something that has always been there and that is all you have done."

That is a thought. It doesn't explain anything. There is no way to disprove it, if it is wrong. It is a religious thought, not a scientific one.

really... then what if there were no moon , nothing up there except the sun.
would man have traveled into space , to the moon?
would there have been songs written about the stars.
would astronomers gaze for hours into the nothing.

could you ever see anything at night when you were outside?
could you even see your hand in front of your face?
nope.
it would be as if you had no eyes at all.

When GOD does something he does it right.

"When GOD does something he does it right."
God can explain anything and so explains nothing.

Do you have anything at all to contribute in the way of actual science?

yes it is a much better thought than a scientific thought because science is full of falseties and people who claim that science is always correct.

you being a scientist perhaps you can make me a single grain of sand using only science and its associated laws of physics , no material can be used of course because that would be using something GOD made first.

" you must make the material from nothing "

and then you can sudgest that a scientific thought is better.

"science is full of falseties and people who claim that science is always correct."

False. Scientists DO NOT claim that science is always correct. But scientists get to decide what is science and what is not. Science does contain some things that are not true. That is why science has a philosophy and a method for correcting itself. That method is what makes it superior to religion, because religious people go right on believing false and stupid things. If scientists believed that science was always correct, they would not have a method for removing the stuff that was incorrect. But religious people often want to intrude into the area of science without doing any homework. They think that just citing bible scripture or cut-n-pasting things they don't understand are good enough reasons to reject good science.

"you being a scientist"
I never said I was a scientist.

"perhaps you can make me a single grain of sand using only science and its associated laws of physics"
That is irrelevant. Take logic 101 and get back to us.

"no material can be used of course because that would be using something GOD made first."
Speculation and unsupported belief. We don't know who the first matter came into existence.

"and then you can sudgest that a scientific thought is better."
You must produce an orthographic, grammatically correct, and coherent sentence using sound logic and actual evidence, and THEN you can lecture me about what thoughts are better than others.

There are plenty of places for you to spout your admittedly unscientific albeit superior nonsense. This is a science forum. Have you anything in the way of actual science to contribute?

why not just stop at the stars of our galaxy. why not make the galaxy bigger so that we have stars all around us.

creationist claim the earth and the universe is less than 6000 years old. we could search for thousands of year and not discover all there was in those stars, yet were instead finding galaxies that are 10 billion light years away. what can we find out in those that god would go to that leanth rather that put them those things in closer located areas.

all of these would be the same if there was just one galaxy.

Let me show you a great website that is scientific. It is www.icr.org

ICR is a pseudoscientific organization. The founders - Gish and Morris (now deceased) - wrote a paper about how evolution violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Real thermodynamics teachers used their paper to teach thermodynamics. How? They gave it to their freshmen and gave them the assignment of finding all the beginner level mistakes.

ICR is not a science website. It is a pseudoscientific website. It is very convincing to people who are not going to do any real homework on the subject.

Hi Guys:

I wanted to make a commnet on this mixture based on an old mans tollerance. Neither the universe nor the solar system is here for us to observe and enjoy in our consumate ignorance. We various genuses are a local freak entity that just happens to be where we are. We started writing books with the earth as the center of everything and there were brilliant brains devoted to the issue. Now in 2006 are there still people that want to think we are central to anything at all?
There is no adaquate word I know to describe it.
jjw

the word your looking for is religion.

dehammer: why just 1 galaxy?
what would there be to explore once this galaxy has been explored?

by haveing other galaxyies to observe we can see our galaxy clearer.

thefalliblefiend:
what if GOD described everything for us.
and told us everything we need to know.
then there would be nothing new for us
to learn or discover.
there also would be no need for science.

but where is the irrelavence in making a grain of sand from nothing?

if that is too hard for every scientist in this world to accomplish using everything science has learned , then why not just make a single atom or a electron or a photon , make anything from nothing and then get back to me.

fact is all of science put together cant make anything from nothing using nothing.

so where did something come from?