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#14886 08/31/06 07:24 PM
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Dan, go a little easier on him

It was very hard for me to go from the believe the witches and anything but christians were evil to the realization that friends i had had for years, people that i trusted with my life, loved like brothers and sisters, were in fact pagan, druids and witches. I cant imagine how hard it would have been if i had not already begun to question the teaching of the church. Even then it took me a while to get over the shock and begin to ask quetions.

given time he might take the questions we ask and begin to ask them of his own. Then he'll have to find answers that are either more than what someone else says, or he will begin to find that the answers are not good enough.


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I am not being hard on Tim. I've raised two past the age of 16 and have been there myself. I know precisely what it is.

Tim will get there when and if he is willing to face the challenge.

But one right-of-passage is survival. I made it. The two of you made it. So do most people or we wouldn't have a population of 6,000,000,000.

Tim will receive no encouragement from his parents or his peers to get out an explore the real world. This may be the only place for him to come in contact with people who think he is in a cult or cult-like environment.


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true, so we should encourage him to ask question, rather than quote the bible.

there is a saying something along the lines that its hard to learn with your mouth open.


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#14889 09/01/06 03:43 AM
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And it is impossible to learn when you think you already know all the answers.

It would seem that a conspiracy of being 16 years old, when everyone thinks they know everything, and being in a cult have conspired against him.

Yes Tim you are a member of a cult. That is how we view you. If it feels uncomfortable ... and it should ... you best consider that the only reason we have this impression is that you have given it to us.


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I guess you could call it that; although cult usually refers to some unorthodox religious movement; not an orthodox, conservative religion. Because cult comes from the Latin route "cultus" which simply means "worship" which is a particple of the stem "colere" which literally means "piece of tilled land" and is how we get the word "culture". And yes, I worship God; not man as many evolutionists do.

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"Evolutionists" don't worship man, Tim. Evolution is not a religion.

There are many Christians who know evolution to be true. Consider Professor Kenneth Miller of Brown University, for example (http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/index.html ).

I have little doubt that your brand of Christianity considers Catholics to be non-Christians, but you may gain some insight into the way modern Christians integrate their religious beliefs with scientific facts from some of his essays.


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#14892 09/01/06 06:12 PM
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What Tim "knows" about evolutionists is what his parents and sunday school teachers have told him.

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Tim wrote:
"cult usually refers to some unorthodox religious movement"

You are in one Tim. I know you find that hard to believe but YOU ARE INSIDE A CULT.

What you are parroting here is either fundamentalist cult material or straight out of a Sunday School coloring book. The world isn't the way you perceive it. It really isn't. And you best get outside and look around you before you waste your life pursuing someone else's trumped up version of reality.


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If it looks like a cult, sounds like a cult, smells like a cult, and feels like a cult (can it taste like one?) then it is most certainly a cult.


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Dehammer,
Most people who are in cults don't think, "Hey! I'm in a cult!" If cultmembers were that aware, there wouldn't be any cults.

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The first test of whether you are in a cult is when people who don't know you hear you talk or read what you've written and all come to the conclusion you are in a cult.

The second is to tell those who are the leaders, whether they call themselves mom and dad or minister or whatever that you are thinking of changing your life goals and becoming something else. The stronger their reaction the more likely you are in a cult.

For Tim I'd thinking telling his parents he wants to go to a public high school for his senior year and then go to UCLA might be enough to get him dragged off to a re-education camp.

IFF is correct. If cult members were able to recognize that they were being brainwashed by a cult ... there wouldn't be any.


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TFF, that is true. Dan, there are some that would want to belong to something so badly that they would join even if they knew what was being done to them. rare, but they do exist.


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And there are people that shoot heroin and people that jump off tall buildings. I don't think Tim is one of them. He is a just victim of circumstances beyond his control. Or at least beyond his control until he is an adult. Then if he chooses to do as he has been instructed he is responsible for his bad choices.

Consider that had he been born under different circumstances he would have been led by his parents down an entirely different path in a different country with a different culture and an entirely different religion. He didn't choose his parents and he didn't choose to be raised in a cult. But he is and he needs to learn how to deal with it and extricate himself from it.


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And i say "good luck to him."


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I'm sorry guys. As I said earlier, I have been humbled and realized that arguing with you guys won't do anything. It takes death of self to bring reconcilliation which is what I'm doing. I will let you say all that you want about me. I will love you either way and more than you know, because He first loved me. So I'm showing you guys that love; and I pray for your salvation and softening of hearts every day.
P.S. I do go to a public school contrary to what DA might think.

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Oh yeah, I almost forgot; here's the website that I made. You don't have to go to it, but I thought one of you guys here might want to: www.freewebs.com/biblicalcreation

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Tim, you continue to talk about anything except actual science. Is it your conviction that God wants you to be an ignoramous?

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