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#1365 05/15/05 03:27 PM
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The more things change the more they stay the same. So goes the old adage.

Science, however, unlike religion, is not afraid to discard old truths in the face of new discoveries. Scientolators, however, seem to always be a century or two behind the times.

One popular myth is the existence of fossil fuels. Petroleum is now being classed as the product of natural geological forces, not a fossil fuel. http://people.cornell.edu/pages/tg21/usgs.html

Another myth is that embryonic stem cell therapy holds real promise for treating disease. This is again based on old science. Decades ago the human organism was considered basically changeless in certain aspects. It was believed that the brain did not grow or change, that nerve cells could not be coaxed into growing or healing, and that cells once specialized could not be coaxed into becoming other cell types. This attitude has been in retreat over the last three decades as brain changes have been documented, nerve cells have been coaxed into regenerating and adult stem cells have been coaxed into becoming a variety of different cell types.

I am interested in this forum, but most posters seem to be a few decades out of date with regards to recent scientific developments.

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Or maybe some of us posting know things you don't know. Interesting that you would link to a paper more than a decade old in an attempt to make a point.

Do you wish to post your academic credentials or just pontificate?


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Science, however, unlike religion, is not afraid to discard old truths in the face of new discoveries.
Science has own problems.
It is prone to degeneration, while religion is more stable.
Check This:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/freescience?hl=en

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Quote:
Originally posted by Arrogathor:
Science, however, unlike religion, is not afraid to discard old truths in the face of new discoveries.
Quite correct Arrogathor.
Extrasense quotes and believes that Religion is the more stable.
Stable? Yes he's got stable. Stable stagnation!
He forgets its the blind acceptance of Historical/Fairytale text teachings from the Bible and Koran, that has locked Religion into its stable stagnation of faith .......forever.

How can science be prone to degeneration? The text books of science are updated yearly. Even the problems we cause, will be solved eventually.

Extrasense, should go back to his 'Freescience'
forum, and continue his writing there.


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Petroleum is now being classed as the product of natural geological forces, not a fossil fuel.
Millions of Americans learned in grade school that oil deposits originated in the age of dinosaurs, when vegetation in lush forests was buried and subjected to high heat and pressure. Those extreme conditions supposedly transformed the hydrocarbons in vegetation into the hydrocarbons of petroleum.

"That's nonsense," snapped Thomas Gold, a scientist at Cornell University. "There's not a shred of evidence from chemistry, geology, or any other science to support it. It has no place in textbooks and school classrooms." Oil is often called a 'fossil' fuel; the idea being that it comes from formerly living organisms. This may have been plausible back when oil wells were drilled into the fossil layers of the earth's crust; but today, great quantities of oil are found in deeper wells that are found below the level of any fossils. How could then oil have come from fossils, or decomposed former living matter, if it exists in rock formations far below layers of fossils the evidence of formerly living organisms? It must not come from living matter at all.
my thoughts***********

Well there it is, you may believe it or not.
Our own Uncle Al, probably dos'nt, he will quote how oil is a product of evenly numbered Carbons and therefore from plants? And yet how the hell did it ever get deep below solid rocks, where plant life never lived.
However, Thousands of tons of frozen Methane, or (Clathrates) is produced by Microbes far below within the warmth of the Earth. Different types of Microbes live and digest different 'foods' from dead plant life to various rocks.
NASA thinks so....The European Mars Surveyor has recently sniffed Methane on Mars while travelling around it. NASA states that its cause is micro-biological LIFE, below the Martian surface.


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How can science be prone to degeneration? The text books of science are updated yearly. Even the problems we cause, will be solved eventually.
You see, the religion needs ONE genius, in order to be created. Meanwhile, the science requires a lot of individuals to work in concert and honesty, on order to produce the result. As the society loses its honesty, the science turns into pseudo.
For the science, eventually never comes around either.

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ES, if this was true, wouldn't that mean that the industrial revolution never should have occured? History proves you wrong, and the future will.


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The basic idea that a large amount of microbiol life exists in the pore spaces of the rocks down to depths of between 6 and 10 kilometers arose in the following way: natural petroleum almost always contains elevated levels of the chemically inert gas helium and at the same time it contains molecules that are unquestionably of biological origin.
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I have difficulties believing that there can exist even 2 people so confused as this Thomas Gold and you Arroganthor. Does this "oil-origin theory" have any basis in the reality the rest of the world exist in?


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Well, yes it does. I only did a short websearch for links to post. There has been a bit of discussion about the geological origins of petrochemicals. One of the most telling pieces of evidence is the presence of petrochemical sludge on comets, lakes of natural gas on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and other similar things.

Other articles have shown old, 'exhausted' oil fields being replenished from unknown sources deep in the earth.

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr59.html

http://hnn.us/blogs/comments/11014.html

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/A/Ab/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin.htm

http://www.americanfreepress.net/RFA_Art...ur_natural.html

http://www.knowledge-finder.com/technolo...-has-gone-.html

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/genm/1998/00000077/00000001/00184010

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/11014.html

There was a time Johan when people generally believed that the world was created in 6 days. The world which the rest of the world exists in? LMAO

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Petrochemicals in space

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/titan.htm

http://newsfromrussia.com/science/2005/01/24/57950.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/250305jupitermoon.htm Scientists are uncertain if Europa has organic compounds. Galileo, though, did detect carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, cyanogens (colorless, poisonous, flammable gases), and hydrocarbons (hydrogen-carbon compounds often found in natural gas and petroleum) on neighboring moons Callisto and Ganymede.

As we are finding hydrocarbon sludge throughout the Solar System, on comets, on moons, etc. As the total amount of oil discovered on Earth to date is not successfully accounted for by the fossil fuel theory. I find it difficult to believe that oil is primarily organic in origin.

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wouldn't that mean that the industrial revolution never should have occured?
The science has had its good times, as the religion has had them. And everything has its share of problems too.


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Hydrocarbons don't all come from plant/animal life. If they did, then Abiogenesis could not have occured. Not that I think it did, but if you believe in 'evolution' out of nothing, you'd better not saw off the branch you're sitting on!

You need to have plenty of non-biologically formed hydrocarbons if you are going to spontaneously generate 'life' out of nothing, like the dinosaurs who teach 'evolution' think. Good luck on that.


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So what is your theory, RP?

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I'm not current with either of these topics. I have no opinion about the first myth, although the real situation may not be so silly as you suggest.

As for the second, it's not obvious that embryonic stem cell research holds no real promise for treating disease. It's not even clear to me in what sense quote-mining from radical political and religious sites qualifies as research. But in the short-term I'll trust what the scientists actively engaged in research are saying about it.

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Of course any serious scientist has to consider the possibility that 'evolution' is being managed by superior beings intent upon mining the precious metals out of the planet. It's alot cheaper to drop a few monkeys off and come back 10,000 years later than to do the mining yourself.


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Science, ..., unlike religion, is not afraid to discard old truths in the face of new discoveries.
True, discarding truth is par for the course regardless of it's age - even the patently obvious: like sending a mass in one direction without sending another in the other (a reaction necessitates a direction though it need not be opposite). Entirely possible, but routinely discarded (sometimes merely suppressed) for various and sundry reasons throughout the ages. :rolleyes:

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I am surprised that we are beating religion for no reason.Reasearch has shown us that those who believe in it live longer and heal quickly....
Accept religion as it is ... with all its so called 'lies' because science has still not been able to find the final truth.

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