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#13182 - 09/22/05 04:15 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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The best thing about the Creator is this: It does not matter to the Maker whether anyone considers God as factual. "The Universal Ruler", according to Sir Isaac Newton (from Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy, Book III: The System of the World), "is Lord God", and "God is the same God, always and everywhere."

What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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#13183 - 09/23/05 04:13 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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God is the same God, always and everywhere.
Believe in it if you believe in the true spirit of religion.

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#13184 - 09/23/05 04:47 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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dvk trying to prove he/she has never taken a class in statistics wrote:

"Scientists don't differ in their conclusions. They differ in their speculations.
REP: You are wrong.Statistical conclusions can be different depending upon the sample.
All the observed scientific truths have their own boundary conditions defined."

Actually I am not. Try something new different. Try an education.
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#13185 - 09/23/05 06:04 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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You are wrong.Statistical conclusions can be different depending upon the sample.
REP: I said can be.
What is wrong with that. They differ over a period of time.In case of statistics the time difference is sometimes less than a year.

Solve the following statistically:
1.Smoking is Injurious to health.
2.On 13th there are more accidents.
3.If you wear Red your chances of winning increases.
4.Not enough exposure to Real World reduces the capability of immune system.
5.Those who drink Wine are healthier than non drinkers.
6.Those who are Black are less likely to get a job and are therefore less intelligent(given the equal availability of opportunity).
7.Those who shave daily are less like to get a heart attack.
The list goes on and on...
And then there are brilliant exceptions.
Exceptions which make the Statistic look like a stupid logical formulation of thought for practical use for strong action.
The statistical truths are known to vary over sample space and time.
The conclusions are not like the Physical Truths.


Every year the truth changes depending upon the sample.

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#13186 - 09/23/05 03:04 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Gary wrote:
"What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?"

Actually rather simple to answer. I would need to see evidence of something that violated the laws of physics. Not a magic show. Not smoke and mirrors. Something that truly violated the laws of physics.
Something as simple as causing polyethylene to melt into a puddle of liquid while sitting on a metal plate cooled with liquid nitrogen.
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#13187 - 09/23/05 03:09 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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dvk wrote:
"Every year the truth changes depending upon the sample."

Please please tell me you are not qualified to vote.

Your statement above is pure nonsense. When conditions change results change. Different football game with different teams often leads to different scores and a different number of fans in the bleachers. That is not a science experiment ... that is an observation.

A different truth would be if you watched a video tape of the same football game 10 times and even one of those times the score was different.

Truthfully ... are you as incapable of critical thinking as you advertise here at SAGG? As someone that teaches at a university I have known how bad the primary school education system has become. But you seem to be a worst case scenario.
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#13188 - 09/23/05 05:54 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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"Every year the truth changes depending upon the sample."

I'm not sure about "every year," but we occasionally update our "perception" of truth. I don't think most philosophers of science would say that scientific results were Truth. This is pretty much the domain of religion.

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#13189 - 09/24/05 04:37 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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"Every year the truth changes depending upon the sample."
You guys really got me here..:-))
I also think I was too harsh on Stats.
You see the observation over limited period and limited space has its own limitations and therefore one should very careful while generalizing Scienctific Truths.Something like
"Scientists don't differ in their conclusions."
can easily be replaced by
"Scientists can differ in their conclusions over a period of time."

Things can change especially if it is statistical in nature.
Morgan was too critical of me for nothing.
He wants answer to this:
"Something that truly violated the laws of physics."
Everything is magical till you understand it.
For example Physics has really started learning some new facts which some religion claimed to have known for thousands of years.
How did they come to know?
Its a magic till you dont get into their domain and find that it is no magic at all!!

"Different football game with different teams often leads to different scores and a different number of fans in the bleachers. That is not a science experiment ... that is an observation."

That was pure nonsense. The red color observation was made scietifically and it can be taken as an actionable statistical information for improving the chances.But not everyone believes in this observation otherwise we will have red army everywhere.:-))

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#13190 - 10/27/05 03:10 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Count Iblis II:
God should come to Earth and should let an entire Galaxy at few billion lightyears away from Earth vanish before the eyes of scientists observing it with the most powerful telescopes.
Quote:
Originally posted by oneplanet:
Folks, if you don't believe in a God of miracles there is no chance you will believe the God of the Bible, who you may find to be the author of science and not the author of religion. Make a study of Job and Isaiah using the original texts and then come back and say that God is not the author of science.
Quote:
Originally posted by DA Morgan:
Actually rather simple to answer. I would need to see evidence of something that violated the laws of physics. Not a magic show. Not smoke and mirrors. Something that truly violated the laws of physics. Something as simple as causing polyethylene to melt into a puddle of liquid while sitting on a metal plate cooled with liquid nitrogen.
I personally like the Count Iblis II idea, a modified slighty Job, with Isaiah's oneplanet in mind. But not simply an entire Galaxy at few billion lightyears away from this Earth. Why that's only a few Stars for oneplanet, and much too distant for most to see. Besides, this site is Science a Go-Go, not Google a Google-Group, and there are many Stars everywhere, including the Sun, close by. I considered DA Morgan's idea, causing polyethylene to melt into a puddle of liquid while sitting on a metal plate cooled with liquid nitrogen. However, although simple to do, and fascinating for US scientists, it would be considered a pocket change vaudeville act to the sightful public at large. There are still many who doubt US astronauts ever went to Earth's moon, because they could not witness it tangibly with their own eyes. So when the Planning and Regulatory Panel is ready to begin, I the Spirit of truth (science), God the Holy Ghostwriter, will vanish before the eyes of scientists the Galaxies everywhere. Fear not. All a the Sun and the Stars will reappear after times and an half (Earth day and a half). Do not worry. This is just another day at the office, for me. Here then, is the red tape that is currently holding up my recharging of this Universe's (and this Earth's) magnetic field. On 26th July 2005 the Planning and Regulatory Panel of Salisbury District Council refused English Heritage's application for excavation and removal of A-344 road beside Heelstone:

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.5437

English Heritage's application, approved by the Northern Area Committee of Salisbury District Council at its meeting of 19th July 2005, was refused by the Planning and Regulatory Panel of Salisbury District Council on 26th July 2005, because it did not provide for excavating and removing God the Holy Ghostwriter's Heelstone artifacts:

http://www.geocities.com/garrydenke

English Heritage was very surprised, and disappointed, by Salisbury District Council's decision, but they now know the grounds for refusal are ones which can easily be resolved when English Heritage submits the amended scheme providing for the excavation and removal of God the Holy Ghostwriter's Heelstone artifacts and A-344 road.

http://www.salisbury.gov.uk/council/contact

Count Iblis II idea, a modified slighty Job, with Isaiah's oneplanet in mind, the demonstration of vanishing galaxies before the eyes of scientists observing them (with telescopes), is waiting on Mike, of the Planning and Regulatory Panel of Salisbury District Council, to respond to my Yom Kippur 13th October 2005 "Good Job!" letter emailed.

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Originally posted by DA Morgan:

I like rock.

And classical.

And jazz.

And ....
roll.
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#13191 - 10/27/05 03:44 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Ask me questions from any religion and I will try to explain ...

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#13192 - 10/27/05 04:27 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Quote:
Originally posted by dkv:
Ask me questions from any religion and I will try to explain ...
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=religion

"religion is for pikers."

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=pikers

r2e2 over and out,

God the Holy Ghostwriter

soft core

1) A-A' (1979) C91 quadrant bearing; N 73 E
2) B-B' (1953) C36 quadrant bearing; S 67 E
3) C-C' (1923) C6 quadrant bearing; S 57 E
4) D-D' (1923) C6 quadrant bearing; South
5) E-E' (1923) C6 quadrant bearing; S 50 E
6) F-F' (1923) C6 quadrant bearings; S 2 W - S 22 E
7) G-G' (1923) C6 quadrant bearing; S 50 E
8) H-H' (1956) C51 quadrant bearing; S 63 E
9) I-I' (1979) C91 quadrant bearings; S 71 E - S 34 E - S 71 E / S 71 E

hard core

1) brass altar (5c-5c-3c)
2) gold ark (2.5c-1.5c-1.5c)
3) gold table (2c-1c-1.5c)
4) gold altar (1c-1c-2c)
5) gold candlestick
6) gold breastplate
7) gold ephod
8) gold censer
9) brass laver
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#13193 - 10/27/05 04:33 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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It should be Philosophical?
And not hard core literature.

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#13194 - 10/27/05 05:56 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Quote:
Originally posted by dkv:
It should be Philosophical?
And not hard core literature.
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#13195 - 11/02/05 08:26 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Loc: does it really matter?
If we ever develop time travel the first task we should perform should be to go back in time to after Jesus had "finished" with things in Jerusalem... and bring him "here" so that he could see the state of affairs in the world today and see what those who were supposed to be "stewards" of his ideas have done. I think you would find a little more anger exercised by him than he showed to the Money Changers in the Temple... what do you think?

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#13196 - 11/02/05 10:01 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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I'd know it when I see it!

Hmm. I guess god is kinda like porn.
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#13197 - 11/03/05 12:18 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mung:
If we ever develop time travel the first task we should perform should be to go back in time to after Jesus had "finished" with things in Jerusalem... and bring him "here" so that he could see the state of affairs in the world today and see what those who were supposed to be "stewards" of his ideas have done. I think you would find a little more anger exercised by him than he showed to the Money Changers in the Temple.
Stonehenge Temple plans Passed to Steering Group

Halloween Red Tape Aloha

31st October 2005

The Formation of a Cross-government Steering Group to take forward the Review of the Options to Ease congestion on the A303 and Improve the Setting around Stonehenge was announced today by Transport Minister, Dr Stephen Ladyman.

The Review will be taken forward by a Steering Group consisting of representatives from: the Department for Transport; the Department for Culture, Media and Sport; the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs; the Highways Agency; the Government Office for the South West; and, statutory advisers, English Heritage and Natural England. The Department for Transport announced the review in July 2005 following an increase in scheme costs of the proposed Stonehenge tunnel.

Stephen Ladyman, Minister of State for Transport, said:

"Everyone with an Interest in this important issue will have the opportunity
to contribute to the Review Process as a Full Public Consultation will begin
in January 2006."

Halloween Red Tape Aloha

Rip, Rock, and Roll
(the three r's)

Garry Denke, Geologist
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http://www.garrydenke.com
http://www.denocoinc.com
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#13198 - 11/03/05 12:35 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Quote:
Originally posted by soilguy:
I'd know it when I see it!
Ladyman is a guy, soilguy.
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#13199 - 11/03/05 04:10 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Originally posted by MrMung:
Consider: If y cool ou seek "scientific proof of God's existen :p ce and power", what would you need as that proof. And if your proof is fulfilled then would you believe it anyway?. I do not mean proof of religion. I me eek an proof of "God" in the sense of confused a SINGLE entity responsible for the creation of the known un smile iverse. I am not sa laugh ying "God" exists one way or another. Just posed this to "people of 'science'" (of which I consider myself to be) to see how they think about it.

wat? lol i go 2 church every sunday and da guy said god is real and my mom says he is rite lol. eek
wat? D:\Files\Important\kool.jpg lol!!

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#13200 - 11/03/05 05:28 AM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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There are Stars that are Bright,
and there are stars that, well,
are not so bright. Some dim.

Duck Off donald 2k5

This is important information
to know for Extrication Day.
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#13201 - 11/03/05 02:02 PM Re: What evidence would you need to consider "God" as factual?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Garry Denke:
Quote:
Originally posted by soilguy:
I'd know it when I see it!
Ladyman is a guy, soilguy.
[whoosh!]
That was the sound of your comment going over my head.
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