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#13096 - 10/12/05 08:13 PM Re: GOD AND THE BIG BANG
DA Morgan Offline

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Gabriel wrote:
"and surely the laws which govern 'civilised society' are merely enforced morality.'

They are not. Morality doesn't exist unless defined by the person, place, and time on which you specifically ask someone the moral question. Morality has no absolutes.

Murder has been immoral and illegal throughout most, but not all of human history. Premarital sex has been both legal and illegal and moral and/or immoral depending upon context only. I can assure you that your morals are not mine. But my laws are equally applied to you.
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#13097 - 10/12/05 08:17 PM Re: GOD AND THE BIG BANG
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Solvent: If there is a point in what you wrote ... I missed it. Boredom is impossible if you have an agile mind.
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#13098 - 10/13/05 03:11 AM Re: GOD AND THE BIG BANG

Erm, perhaps we need to start moseying back to Science somewhere along the way.


#13099 - 10/14/05 12:08 AM Re: GOD AND THE BIG BANG
DA Morgan Offline

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Your the one with the axe. Feel free to let it fall where it may. You'll not hurt my feelings a bit.

SAGG has NEVER enforced a policy of "real science" on its lab rats. And because it doesn't we, from time-to-time, get the stray religious zealot or brain-washed victim of their childhood hell bent on saving our souls.

After they discover we are incorigiable they all go away to prosleytze somewhere else. Whenever you and Kate decide to lower the tolerance level you'll have my support. Until they the lab rats will do what is wholly predictable.
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#13100 - 10/14/05 12:49 AM Re: GOD AND THE BIG BANG
Count Iblis II Offline
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Originally posted by Blacknad:

This is based upon the following web page:
God and the Big Bang

Written by Mike Poole.

In which scientists ability to comment upon the existence of God is challenged.

Also the whole idea of religion being in such complete conflict with science is also challenged.

Extract :

The media love confrontation - it's good for viewing figures and sales. A few vocal scientists, given a disproportionate amount of air time and column inches, often give the impression that scientists are a bunch of atheists.

But there is no evidence that they are any more unbelieving than the rest of society.
'Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind'. Albert Einstein.

Many of the greatest scientists in history believed in God: Newton, Boyle, Faraday, Pasteur, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, to name but a few. Today there are plenty of scientists who are committed Christians. One UK organisation, Christians in Science, has members and contacts numbering some 1500 scientists, including university staff, scientists in industry and science teachers. Other such organisations also exist. But that is not 'news', so they receive little publicity.


Science is the study of the natural world - of nature. Questions about God are questions about whether there is anything other than nature. It's no use going to science, the study of nature, to find out whether there is anything other than nature!


It seems to me that when scientists make claims about being able to disprove God's existence, they are strolling into the realm of philosophy. For example the post - 'Proof that God did not create life'is claiming too much.

Any takers?
Well, philosophy is science too. The only reason why so many people believe in God is because we are indoctrinating children with this believe. The stronger the indoctrination, the more people will believe in God. In North Korea people ''believe'' in Kim Il Jung and many Germans (including scientists) regarded Hitler as a God like figure.

Scientists may not be atheistic because they don't necessarily apply scientific reasoning to every aspect of their personal lives. However, from a scientific point of view, religion is nonsensical. The Bible is just a fantasy book that contain some historical facts. It is no better than, say, Greek Mythology.

Religion is a psychological phenomenon. Once the brain is infected with it, it is difficult to disinfect it. Just think about it. God created you for a purpose. So, what you do must be somehow important. After you die you'll live on forever in Heaven. Without this idea you would have to admit that you are insignificant. Hundred years from now you'll be dead and burried. In the far future, all the things you've done will be gone. It wouldn't have mattered if you hadn't existed at all.

The fact that our existence is futile, that all the things we think are important are actually totally insignificant is just too hard to accept for most people.

#13101 - 10/14/05 04:48 AM Re: GOD AND THE BIG BANG
DA Morgan Offline

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Well said Count.

If people weren't so bent on finding some fanciful justification for doing the right thing ... or justifying their existance ... they might actually decide to do the right thing just because it makes life better.

Which would be a real tragedy for those who panhandle for a living hiding behind a white collar.

Reminds me very much of the following quotation:
Ministers say that they teach charity.
That is natural.
They live on hand-outs.
All beggars teach that others should give.
~Robert Ingersoll
DA Morgan

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