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#11768 - 10/14/06 01:42 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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We have fossils... We win!
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#11769 - 10/14/06 02:36 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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"No generality is true...not even this one." - (Rutherford? - Not sure of the attribution,
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#11770 - 10/14/06 04:30 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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"I maintain there is much more wonder in science than in pseudoscience. And in addition, to whatever measure this term has any meaning, science has the additional virtue, and it is not an inconsiderable one, of being true."

--Carl Sagan
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#11771 - 10/14/06 04:37 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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"As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life - so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls."

--M. Cartmill
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#11772 - 10/14/06 05:56 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."
~ Richard Feynman

"I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there."
~ Richard Feynman
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#11773 - 10/14/06 11:42 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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"Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child mind accepts and believes them, and only through great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after years relieved of them. In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth --- often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."

-- Hypatia, Librarian at Alexandria, mathematician, scholar, lecturer.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9041785/Hypatia

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#11774 - 10/15/06 05:31 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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Excellent IFF ... here is another gem from the lady:

"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all"

For those not familiar with her she is a study in intelligence. Sixteen hundred years ago, Hypatia became one of the world's leading scholars in mathematics and astronomy. Hypatia's legendary knowledge, modesty, and public speaking ability flourished during the era of the Great Library of Alexandria. Hypatia is credited with contributions to geometry and astrometry, and she is thought instrumental in the development of the sky-measuring astrolabe.

A role model sorely needed in the current age.
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#11775 - 10/16/06 03:30 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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Thanks DA. I'd never heard of her.

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#11776 - 10/16/06 03:06 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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A tad more info on her from
http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_hypatia.htm

"Hypatia ... contributed greatly to that city's intellectual community. Unfortunately, she was also a pagan and her wide popularity represented a threat to Christian religious leaders.

"As a consequence, a Christian mob on orders from the Archbishop Cyril of Alexandria, dragged her off of her chariot and scraped the flesh from her body while she was still alive. Cyril was in no way punished for this."

Most of what I have read previously said that Cyril "incited," but did not order her murder.
What this blurb doesn't tell you is that not only wasn't Cyril punished, he was sainted! In fairness, one of her closest friends and students was Bishop Synesius.

Imagine - when she was 12 years old, philosophers from hundreds of miles away (a huge distance in those days) would come to listen to her speak and discuss philosophy with her.

A more detailed history is
http://pages.prodigy.net/fljustice/hypatia.html

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#11777 - 10/16/06 04:40 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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Do you know if the church ever officially apologized? Not that it would right the wrong.

And some people wonder why I find religious zealots among the scariest things in the universe.
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#11778 - 10/16/06 05:04 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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http://history.enotes.com/history-fact-finder/religion/what-criteria-for-sainthood
says
"Criteria for sainthood or canonization (being declared holy by the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church) are leading a holy life, conducting miracles, and suffering or sometimes dying because of one's faith (martyrdom). The Roman Catholic Church keeps a list of saints. However, some names were dropped from the list in 1969 because inclusion could not be justified by history."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria

"His writings and his theology have remained central to tradition of the Fathers and to all Orthodox to this day."

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#11779 - 10/16/06 06:14 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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Does "guilty of encouraging torture and atrocities" count against Sainthood?

And ... just wondering ... if the Saints have been in heaven for hundreds of years ... and they change their mind in the Vatican ... do they lost some privileges or go straight to Hades?
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#11780 - 10/16/06 06:42 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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The Pope has not returned my calls.

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#11781 - 10/16/06 08:27 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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And I'm about as welcome at the Vatican as Jesus Christ would be (though not for the same reason I can assure you).
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#11782 - 10/23/06 01:34 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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"In science the authority embodied in the opinion of thousands is not worth a spark of reason in one man."
Galileo Galilei, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

reminds me of another by Anatole France that I quoted in another thread,

"If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing."

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#11783 - 10/23/06 09:02 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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??to blame the current trust crisis in science on the public's indifference is certainly not correct either.? - Vivienne Parry

To see more on the "public perception of science," check out my blog.

http://blog.myspace.com/120086790
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#11784 - 10/25/06 02:36 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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Life is nature's MOST EFFICIENT way of turning light into heat. ~Samwik

~Sorry, just had to get the NOKIA post off the top.

~samwik

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#11785 - 10/29/06 12:50 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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?I never thought of stopping, and I just hated sleeping. I can't imagine having a better life.?
-- Barbara McClintock, Nobel prize in physiology or medicine, 1983.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1983/mcclintock-autobio.html

She's also a member of the National Academy of Science:
http://www.nas.edu/history/members/mcclintock.html

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#11786 - 11/04/06 05:46 PM Re: Quotes from Scientists.
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"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discovery, is not 'Eureka' (I found it!), but 'That's funny...' " - Isaac Asimov.
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#21830 - 05/28/07 08:53 AM Re: Quotes from Scientists. [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
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So in the summer of 1930, amid his sailing and ruminations in Caputh, he composed a credo, "What I Believe,"

"The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness...."

From Einstein by Walter Isaacson. 2007 by Walter Isaacson. To be published by Simon & Schuster, Inc.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html
...3 pages! A real treat.

~ smile
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