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#11249 - 05/08/06 07:53 PM THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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The invisible war is now being fought, "us" against "them".

The main theatres of this war are Life*on*Mars and Super*Strong*AI.

The proof of Life and possible Civilization on Mars is being ignored, development of the Strong AI is being sabotaged - on the scientific and media levels.

The two war theatres have one thing in common: they involve challenge to the uniqueness of the life and of the intellect of ours.

Well, uniqueness of our place in the World, is one of the common contentions between old culture and new culture, since the dawn of humanity.

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#11250 - 05/08/06 08:55 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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So what theater is this movie playing in?

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#11251 - 05/08/06 09:23 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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Originally posted by dr_rocket:
So what theater is this movie playing in?
The reality is so much like a movie smile If you remember Bradbury smile

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#11252 - 05/13/06 01:14 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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"The two war theatres have one thing in common: they involve challenge to the uniqueness of the life and of the intellect of ours."

Intellectual life is not unique.
It's only less abundant compared to other forms of life that may exist in the Universe and it exist on a variety of levels throughout a time span.
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#11253 - 05/23/06 12:13 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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Extrasense:

What proof is being ignored about life on Mars or any where else?
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#11254 - 06/29/06 08:26 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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Originally posted by jjw004:
Extrasense:

What proof is being ignored about life on Mars or any where else?
jjw
Are you kidding??? The Martian pyramids, the crystal city, the bust of Pee Wee Herman's face, the...

Did you hear that? Gotta go. One of the black helicopters just went by. I have to put on my foil helmet.
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#11255 - 06/30/06 04:46 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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Agreed soilguy. We really should take away some of these folks right to reproduce and vote.
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#11256 - 06/30/06 09:09 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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yours would be the first.
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#11257 - 07/03/06 12:32 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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dehammer wrote:
"the more man learns, the more he realises, he really does not know anything."

Nonsense. The more we learn the more we realize there is to learn ... and the more the ignorant will attempt to substitute faith for knowledge.
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#11258 - 07/03/06 10:48 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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Originally posted by DA Morgan:
dehammer wrote:
"the more man learns, the more he realises, he really does not know anything."

Nonsense. The more we learn the more we realize there is to learn ... and the more the ignorant will attempt to substitute faith for knowledge.
i dont remember who that quote was from, but it was a famous scientist.

the reality is that the more they learn, the more the scientist realise that there is so many more question we still have to find the answers for. there is nothing wrong with not knowing, but there is a lot wrong in not looking for the answer.
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#11259 - 07/03/06 08:51 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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dehammer wrote:
" dont remember who that quote was from, but it was a famous scientist."

Science is not faith based. We do not bow down to, or worship, those with good public relations agents.
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#11260 - 07/03/06 09:52 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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Originally posted by DA Morgan:
dehammer wrote:
" dont remember who that quote was from, but it was a famous scientist."

Science is not faith based. We do not bow down to, or worship, those with good public relations agents.
what does this have to do with either my quote or this subject. i never said anything about there being faith in science, nor did i claim anyone worship them or not. i do not see where this is coming from or what it has to do with anything save to see your name in an arguement. are you simply trying to make ppl mad?
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#11261 - 07/04/06 12:58 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
DA Morgan Offline
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It means your quote is incorrect and that it is irrelevant who may or may not have said it.
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#11262 - 07/04/06 09:04 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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how can you say its incorrect if you dont have a clue who said it.
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#11263 - 07/04/06 11:07 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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It is incorrect if it was said by Albert Einstein
It is incorrect if it was said by Mahatma Ghandi
It is incorrect if it was said by Jesus Christ
It is incorrect if sung by a choir of angels

Who was incorrect is irrelevant.

Science does not work by pontification of those with the best public relations agent.
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#11264 - 07/04/06 11:48 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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Originally posted by DA Morgan:
It is incorrect if it was said by Albert Einstein
It is incorrect if it was said by Mahatma Ghandi
It is incorrect if it was said by Jesus Christ
It is incorrect if sung by a choir of angels

Who was incorrect is irrelevant.

Science does not work by pontification of those with the best public relations agent.
a choir of angles would have said that they have all the answers just listen to them.

JC would have said god has all the answers, just listen to him.

i suspect that Mahatma Gandhi (you really should learn how to spell someones name before using him as an example) would have said the answers are not important, that it was mans desire for them that was.

Albert Einstein would have said the answers were all relative.

you still don't get the answer at all.

what that means is that the more we learn the more we understand that there is more to learn, so much that we have not even the slightest hint of what questions to ask. ANY REAL scientist would understand that. Just because we acknowledge that we don't know it, that does not mean we don't strive to know it.
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#11265 - 07/05/06 05:09 PM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
DA Morgan Offline
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Neither the choir of angels or Jesus Christ knew that mouldy bread was a source of penicillin and could save the lives of people with infections or even what an infection was.

Your "all knowing" mythological beasts were dumber than dirt.
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#11266 - 07/06/06 01:21 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
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1) they were not my ""all knowing" mythological beasts", im a witch.

2) how do you know they did not know. were you there to ask them. perhaps they did not say anything because no one asked them. or perhaps man was not ready for that knowledge. penicillin has to be injected with a needle, so if a needle does not exist that would administer it, what use would it be. if you did not have the equipment to make a needle, what use would that knowledge be.
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#11267 - 07/06/06 03:07 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
DA Morgan Offline
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dehammer wrote:
"im a witch"

How long have you been a woman?

and dehammer asks:
"how do you know they did not know."

Oh I see ... they knew it and didn't tell anyone. Even richer! The son of god and prince of peace knows how to save the lives of hundreds of millions of innocent children but decides not to. Well if that thought doesn't overflow with love for mankind I don't know what does.
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#11268 - 07/06/06 05:54 AM Re: THE WAR "US" vs "THEM" HAS ALREADY STARTED
dehammer Offline
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Originally posted by DA Morgan:
dehammer wrote:
"im a witch"

How long have you been a woman?
boy can you show your ignorance any worse. just be cause Christians claim that all witches are female, does that mean you are a christian.

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and dehammer asks:
"how do you know they did not know."

Oh I see ... they knew it and didn't tell anyone. Even richer! The son of god and prince of peace knows how to save the lives of hundreds of millions of innocent children but decides not to. Well if that thought doesn't overflow with love for mankind I don't know what does.
you missed the rest of that. what good would it do to teach mankind something they were not ready to learn. what good would it do to explain all of the modern health care things to ppl that had no access to it. If you don't have a syringe, what good would it do to explain to ppl that they need to take shot. your forgetting that at that time, everyone believe that the gods had control over every aspect of their life. taking medicine would have required a belief that they could take responsibility for their own life and health. that is something that required christianity many centuries to install.

think of this. before ww1 many countries were more than willing to impose their will on other countries by force yet there were none who would tell them to back down with the same size force, no peace keepers. imagine if Hitler had had several centruies of medicene and the accompaning understanding of germ and germ use. By the time that the us got into the war, much of the thrid reich's plan for genocide would have already have been accomplished.
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