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And those areas are growing fast, and real science areas are shrinking fast.

Quantum computing is an example, of making money on sure lies.

The problem is that when you are living in the house of lying cards, you can not let reality into the door

ES

how do you know that its a lie. just because its not be done yet, does not mean it cant be done. in 1956, a 5 meg hard drive was invented. i recently heard of a hard drive in the tetra range. there have been many times ppl have claimed that the limit was soon approaching. every time it was soon surpassed. one day this one will likely be passes too.

that would assume that they had lied from day one. which means we never reached the moon, we dont have spy satalites, we dont have weather satalies and communication satalites. its impossible to not let reality in once the door is open. if the door is never opened its impossible to do anything but lie. there is too much evidence that the door has been opened a little bit, which means that lies cant survive long.

trust me, if they say that they could get that kind of money for letting the truth out, they would easily come up with some scape goat to cover up the lies that they did not want to let out. it would be easier to hide the evidence of life on mars than to have to hide the evidence that they had been lieing all that time. they did not hide that so there is not likely much if any evidence they they were lie up to now.

possible reasons for the lies and stupidity are endless. The fact is that there is a real PROOF out there, a proof which any educated person can check for himself.

NASA is full of idiots, but what about the public?

ES

extrasense wrote:
"NASA is full of idiots, but what about the public?"

Given what we see here at SAGG I think the answer is self-evident.

I love it when people who can't criticize those that can while simultaneously utilizing the fruits of the labors of those that did.

I love it when people who did not - pretend that when they are being critisized it is a critique of those who did, and hide behind their back.

ES

I think we need to get off the personal attacks and back on the science track.

If we can't keep this on science maybe we'll have to close the topic.

Amaranth

There was science here? Where?

Please remove the non-topic. Not just one or two sentences or one or to posts. The entire thread.

Thanks.

as much as i hate to, i have to agree with da here.

Jeez Extrasense. Did science slap your mama? Does this all stem from the fact that no one wants to publish your ~quantum computing~ diatribe?

You got it. Sour grapes makes whine.

But then it is hard to get anyone to take seriously a quantum mechanics paper written with mistakes in high-school level math.

As I have pointed out, the science parasites like Morgan suffocate real research. Don't you see it?

ES

That's the way it works. If you want to overturn or modify accepted theory, you have to defend your replacement of it successfully. It's done all the time. Science is not static -- surely you see that.

Have you ever presented research in a seminar? If you present something that flies in the face of accepted ideas, you WILL be challenged, often ruthlessly. I see nothing wrong with that. If you can't stomach criticism of your ideas or your methods, you can't stomach research.

In spite of this, researchers regularly challenge accepted theories and prevail against them.

I must admit that you are right, philisophically speaking

Last time I've submitted two presentation to a conference - they both were rejected with superficial reasons stated.

There is a contradiction between current corporate-like money-driven science power structure, and the personal character of really new research and discovery.

ES

extrasense wrote:
" they both were rejected with superficial reasons stated."

Superficial in your opinion or theirs?

If the objections were truly superficial YOU would have modified your presentation and resubmitted it.

If you didn't then either the rejections were NOT superficial or you've got yourself wrapped around an axle of your own creation.