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#10614 - 08/21/05 10:45 PM Brainwave Entrainment?
mochilero Offline
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I have been using a brainwave entrainment CD for a few months now. Not sure that it helps with brainpower yet, but it sure puts me into a deep meditative state.

Have any of you used these yet, and what results have you gotten?
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#10615 - 08/22/05 12:18 AM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
Uncle Al Offline
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Timothy Leary sought to expand his mind with hallucinogens. All it did was escape him. As for meditation... where will idling a race car in neutral ever get you? The whole of India has fewer flush toilets than the state of Colorado. Meditate on that.

Uncle Al says, "Save the drama for your mama. Get down and PUSH."
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#10616 - 08/24/05 04:36 AM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
Gemini T. Offline
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My wife believes I?m in a permanent state of meditation. Moreover, I make sure I enter into a deeper meditation when its time to mow the lawn. wink

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#10617 - 10/19/05 01:55 PM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
RM Offline
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Registered: 10/07/05
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Don't do these things!! they could be a form of brainwashing!

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#10618 - 10/22/05 11:12 PM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
jjw Offline
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Hi Mochilero:

?A deep meditative state? ? meaning ?
Does this mean a kind of blank mind? I have found it to be unattainable for me. When I was much younger I would at times lie in bed before going to sleep and practice deep breathing exercises. I could simulate some sensations like making my skin itch or tingle and I thought I was learning something. On one night after about ten minutes of this I felt fingers rubbing the top of my head firmly, right in the center, and it scared the hell out of me. I gave up the search. I know I have probably opened the door for the three musketeers to jump all over this comment, but it is true and even today it gives me the creeps to recall the experience.

So, my question to you is, what do you feel is accomplished by your getting into a deep meditative state?
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#10619 - 11/15/05 01:21 AM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
asm Offline
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LoL Uncle Al. You're about 40 years out of date my friend. Using meditation(self or audio) to change your brainwave frequencies is extremely healthy.
It's very similar to the exact same processes your brain goes thru while asleep, falling asleep, and waking up. Hormone management & creation, immunine system enhancements, ease of tension on the muscles, regulated neurotransmitters, stabalized metabolism, better use of vitamins, minerals, amino acid's and so on,bodily repair and balance with DHEA & HGH along with all the others and on and on. With more precise enterainment, one can target specific area's in the brain to perform certain tasks. EEG's have proven this hundreds of times along with blood tests accompinied by many other tests. A large portion that your brain can do you can promote with the enterainment audio tones...good and bad. So far it's been shown to be very very helpful for overall health and vitality.

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#10620 - 11/15/05 04:00 AM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
DA Morgan Offline
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Registered: 10/17/04
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asm wrote:
"Using meditation(self or audio) to change your brainwave frequencies is extremely healthy."

Nonsense. Find a single peer reviewed study published in a respected journal that supports your statement.

Want to find the healthiest people on the planet? Better look in Japan and Sweden. When you find them engaged in "self or audio" meditation let me know.

So much BS ... good thing we have the internet to spew it about.
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#10621 - 11/15/05 05:46 AM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
Kate Offline

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Registered: 10/16/04
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There's a study here

http://www.aphroditewomenshealth.com/news/20051013221529_health_news.shtml

that found physical effects from meditation.

I think people generally have a dismissive attitude towards meditation as it it is usually lumped in with a whole lot of other mystical Eastern mumbo-jumbo.

BTW, you certainly don't need any sort of brain wave machine or contraption to meditate.

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#10622 - 11/15/05 08:21 PM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
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Nice find, Kate. Now I'm off to my daily meditation. smile

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#10623 - 11/15/05 11:44 PM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
Blacknad Offline
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Registered: 10/05/05
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There is also this

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/051111_medidate.html

a new study shows key parts of the brain actually get thicker through the practice of meditation.

Regards,

Blacknad.

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#10624 - 11/15/05 11:59 PM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
jjw Offline
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Hi Blacknad, nice item.

I read the link with interest and quote-

The study involved a small number of people, just 20. All had extensive training in Buddhist Insight meditation. But the researchers say the results are significant.

Most of the brain regions identified to be changed through meditation were found in the right hemisphere, which is essential for sustaining attention. And attention is the focus of the meditation.

Other forms of yoga and meditation likely have a similar impact on brain structure, the researchers speculate, but each tradition probably has a slightly different pattern of cortical thickening based on the specific mental exercises involved."

What they failed to build on is whether the thickening they tout is proof of any thing of measure, more memory, more potential intellegence or more of anything better except a potential thickening of gray matter. Possibly the "mere" thickening of brain parts is accepted as proof of things wherein I know not of?
jjw

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#10625 - 11/16/05 10:51 AM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
Blacknad Offline
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Jim,

I would imagine they simply have an ability to focus concentration better than they used to. Obvious statement really. I would imagine you will find similar brain structure changes in people with professions or interests that require great focus. I don't think meditation has the monopoly here.

Quote - 'Experience moulds the brain in a process that continues throughout life. Finger representation in the cortex is larger on the right in professional violinists and greater than it is in the rest of us [6]. It is enlarged in Braille readers [7] and it shrinks after deafferentation [8]. Brain function and structure are constantly in flux. Neurogenesis continues through life in the adult brain [9].'

- from http://www.emro.who.int/Publications/EMHJ/0703/5Molecules.htm

The old idea that the brain is like a hard-wired computer is long gone. Dare we say it's more organic than that : )

Regards,

Blacknad.

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#10626 - 01/23/06 01:46 AM Re: Brainwave Entrainment?
jjw Offline
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Nice link Blacknad:
I take a little piece;

"Two and a half millennia ago, the Hippocratic author of the monograph On the sacred disease (written to prove epilepsy was not "sacred" but natural) asserted:

Men ought to know that from the brain and the brain alone arise our pleasures, joys, laughter and jests, as well as our sorrows, pains, griefs, and tears. Through it ... we think, we see, we hear, and we distinguish the ugly from the beautiful, the bad from the good, the pleasant from the unpleasant. By the same organ, we become mad or delirious, and fears and terrors assail us ... and dreams and untimely wanderings ... All these things we endure from the brain when it is not healthy, but it becomes abnormally hot, cold, moist, or dry, or suffers any other unnatural affection".
All offered to show epilepsy was organic.

When I first began active trial work and had to confront various physicians on their conclusions I bacame very curious about the location of some of our knowledge of things. An example at first was the fingers. I at one time, over dinner, asked a medical specialist if it was not possible that some of the required motions of our fingers was stored in the fingers themselves. I know it sounds silly and possibly a little extra ignorant. It didn't come accross that way to the physician but he rejected the idea with conviction. I think watching a true artist play a really difficult musical score on a piano caused me to get the idea. That and conversations with some amputees wherein the loss seemed to be greater than just the digit or the limb. Just another wasted mind game.
jjw

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